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16 hours ago, novakai said:
Yes because I think that format replace the dual VS boxes and AoS probably will go the same path.
Example: if your getting a single foot hero you get a battletome release, a FOMO battleforce with your new foot hero, and a new spearhead.
if you have a decent model release you get a Fomo army box set with a early access battletome, and then a month later you get to buy the stuff individually.
Exactly this, I think the last round of 4 vs boxes we got in 3E were the last of their kind, everything is a single army boxset release now.
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4 hours ago, ScionOfOssia said:
Yes.
It makes sense, honestly. We're at the point where they don't need to worry about adding any more random models to Warcry until the next edition.
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6 hours ago, novakai said:
They may simple do it if the design studio don’t like the current aesthetics of the Ogors though.
simply put i don’t think they will manage to replace all resin models if a refresh happens. There units like Yhetees and Firebellies that seem too far out from the design from the Gutbuster that they not important enough to get new models.
Minimally they could just give Ogors a plastic Butcher, Maneaters from Warcry, discontinued all resin models when the next battletome comes out and that it until 5th edition.
GW wasn't putting out a steady trickle of High Elf models before we got LRL. We've seen the AoS version of the Tyrant, Hunter, Gorgers and (in UW) a Maneater and a Beastclaw Hunter/Cat. All the new models we've gotten are pretty much line with the classic Ogre aesthetic except maybe the Bloodpelt Hunter, and one could argue that he just has a weird head for whatever reason.
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6 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
Yeah. I am not 100% sure right now, but when I read it from different and trusted sources I remember I was like WTF... this doesn't make sense at all.
Rules are absolutely the last thing that gets added. Back when GW was still doing podcasts, there were a lot of rules designers talking about how they pretty much just get handed new models and have to figure out what they're going to do with them. Fluff is I would say a half/half thing in that the final fluff gets finalized after the model and rules are done, but there is guiding narrative and design principals that go into the creation of new models and subfactions to start with.
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37 minutes ago, MitGas said:
Not that I got any insider knowledge but I’d bet good money that we‘ll see a couple of small range extensions/waves for some forces akin to the Sylvaneth/Ironjawz one this edition. Only makes sense as after Skaven there‘s little to do in regards to big updates/nee forces (Ogors, CD and Malerion stuff but that last one could start as a smaller range extension for Daughters too).
It's a sensible bet, there's just nothing besides Ogors that needs a massive overhaul anymore. Even the 4E Starter is a first for AoS in that it basically updates two ranges (Skaven AND Stormcast with their redone models and range purge) instead of adding a new army.
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2 minutes ago, Arzalyn said:
I mean they hypped beast of chaos in brokens realms and see what they got. I wouldn't put much faith in narrative translating in new models a I imagine they create the models first and them just create some narrative to justify their existence.
Sure, but conversely who got big updates in 3E that didn't get models/attention in Broken Realms?
Stormcast, KB, (Kragnos) Seraphon, Sylvaeth, NH, STD, CoS...it's pretty much the same list. Add FEC and Ironjawz/Gits who got their update inside Dawnbringers the same way Slaanesh, LRL and SBGL got theirs in Broken Realms.
GW naturally writes their narrative campaigns around who has new models, but the thing is the best indicator of who is going to get new models is who is currently getting new models, because it means the design team is actively working on those ranges.
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19 minutes ago, Luperci said:
There a couple REs that could be IDK, fish tail thing and what could be coral or water spray. I would put KO and IDK over sylvaneth, just because sylvaneth already got their second wave
I get what you are saying, but GW doesn't always work on the fairness principal, and they spent Dawnbringers hyping up even more stuff for Sylvaneth we haven't seen yet, vs KO being bit players and IDK being one-off minor antagonists.
I do think both IDK and KO will get warcry warbands soon, though.
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29 minutes ago, Arzalyn said:
Yeah, looking at last edition, outside of kruleboyz and stormcast we got Nighthaunt, Sylvaneth, Slaves (twice), Gitz, Seraphon, Ironjawz, Cities and FeC. I just hope this edition they focus on the factions that have smaller ranges (Fyreslayers, Idoneth, KO, Khaine, Ossiarch) or the ones that need a refresh (Ogors). Another slaves release and they will have near as much waves as Stormcast.
If we say 8-10 armies, which seems to be the average across editions, I would personally guess
Stormcast
Skaven
Chorfs
Ogors
Fyreslayers
CoS
OBR (only death army that feels lacking atm)
LRL(?) River temple at minimum kinda demands a follow-up
DoK(?) (Krethusa feels like the herald of a new direction)
Sylvaneth(?) (Kurnothi, this time for sure!)
I'm just not feeling change in the air for KO and IDK right now, unfortunately. They were both basically ignored in Dawnbringers unlike every other order army in my list and there's no real REs or rumors in general swirling around them.
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15 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
Maybe this Seraphon RE is a hint that one of the first BTs for the next edition will be Seraphon?
Seems likely, GW likes to front load the armies that aren't getting major updates early in the edition.
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7 minutes ago, Pizzaprez said:
God I hate how that feels true: get something "divisive" out there for people to unreasonably hyperventilate about to help drown out the very valid "my investment is suddenly trash" venting
Went from "well I wont play GW games anymore but their models are great" to "well... maybe not even the models" pretty quick.
It doesn't feel that long ago that 10 figures cost somewhere between $30 and $35; $50+ for a box of ten core unit figures has crossed a threshold that has me not very interested in starting any new projects from GW. Wanted to get some more Sylvaneth for my wife, but I think I'm going to build absolutely everything else I own beforehand at this point.
I like miniatures, and GW has some pretty ones, but outside the things I've already got rolling any other ideas/projects I have in mind are going to get reworked to avoid using GW kits.
It's hard to justify >$50 for ten basic infantry when I don't even often buy full-priced videogames anymore.
This does speak to the GW push for Spearhead sized games: if the default is "tiny sized" games suddenly everything on the way to 1,000 points is "optional." Fortunately, I'm in a position where I can budget to jump on the "box of new chaos dwarfs" bundle that'll be a comparatively great deal from LGSI really really like seeing 40k get more inclusive: the tweaks to Custodes was a graceful way to handwave the "boys club" narrative
These days just buying a foot hero is rapidly approaching $50. The newer Kill Teams over in 40K land are $70 for 10 models and the vanguard equivalent boxes are $160, and that's before the new prices kick in. I haven't completely stopped buying GW products yet but I keep getting more selective. Books have been right out for a while now, buying models that aren't in some kind of discount bundle is something I only do with extreme reluctance. Ordering directly from GW is something I don't even consider.
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8 minutes ago, novakai said:
Looks to spiky to be Seraphon, probably something Chaos or destruction
On the contrary, that's 100% Seraphon. No one else has the gold tipped back spines like Saurus have. I'd say Temple Guard, but it's a little naked looking for that.
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4 minutes ago, novakai said:
Kharadron have actual black library novels though where FS have none among other things
Most armies in AoS don't have a single Black Library Novel to their name, it's only slightly worse in that regard than 40K is. They do show up in BL novels all the time though.
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49 minutes ago, Landohammer said:
Ok so i'm just referring to a comment I read so i'm not gonna die on a hill defending it, but I don't personally consider recent inclusion in Dawnbringers enough to offset the neglect fyreslayers have experienced in 2.0 and 3.0 as a whole. But hey maybe this one dude is gonna turn the whole faction/range around! I don't play fyreslayers (or really see them on the table much) so I don't really care either way.
But I also wouldn't consider a single hero and a Warcry band to be particularly substantial updates to the range. Especially considering we now know that Warcry units have a limited lifespan. (RIP my 2 year old Horns of Hashut)
Also of note, BOC were featured in the Thondian story line (along with a new hero) and Dawnbringers includes short stories about Kurnothi models which aren't even a thing yet outside of underworlds. So I wouldn't necessarily put my hope in narrative inclusion as a sign of a range refresh.
They got a VS box with IDK with a new hero earlier in the edition, then the Harbringer Hero with a new special discount box, the Warcry Band and accompanying Dawnbringer rules that's barely six months old and also a new anniversary resculpt of the Runesmiter. That's three new hero models and a warband just in 3E. They also feature prominently in the art and photography for the new Grombrindal model that's not even out yet.
Most importantly, Fyreslayers are not part of TOW, there is no chance another game system is going to lay claim to them and pull them away like with BoC. If Fyreslayers are in danger of being abruptly removed, so are 90% of AoS armies and nothing means anything.
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I like the New Prosecutors a lot, the old ones were some of my least favorite models in the SC range but I'll happily take these new ones. I also really like seeing an open helmet for SC, I might not use these ones but it's really nice to have something between full death mask and completely bare head.
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2 minutes ago, Landohammer said:
I read an interesting comment recently mentioning how you can draw a lot of parallels between the treatment of Beast of Chaos and Fyreslayers in recent times. Both are neglected in terms of range updates and narrative inclusion. Kind of alarming considering BOC's ultimate fate
Did you just...not read Dawnbringers??? Fyreslayers are heavily featured there, first as a Harbringer hero with RoR rules who save Hammerhall from a GG attack, and then a second time as an AoR built around the new warcry band and dedicated Dawnbringer fiction teasing developments with their faction leader after he beats the snot out of Trugg.
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2 minutes ago, Mutton said:
I'm not sure why you guys want to memorize multiple spell lores for multiple heroes in a game. That's a nightmare to me and I'd probably swear off magic forever. I'm happy they stuck to one lore per army.
For some armies it's fine, for an army like Lumineth that is built around having several distinct thematic spell lores it seems like a huge downgrade.
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8 minutes ago, novakai said:
I mean their army probably got gutted anyway because BSZ is being discontinued from AOS regardless. (Especially the Wurrgog Prophet who had a specific role in BW)
Yes, but the thing is, left with scraps of an army I'm much more likely to drop orcs completely than I am to try and rebuild based on leftovers. I think in the long run, separating the armies is a good move, but doing it now, after losing Bonesplitters feels more like a 2nd punch in the gut when I hadn't even gotten my breath back yet.
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6 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:
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If you didn't have a fully built out Ironjawz or KB army, you're kinda boned with this move, and Warclans was a soup for two editions, so that's a lot of people playing orcs over the last six years.
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Just now, Nezzhil said:
Worst day of my life.
As someone with a motley assortment of Bonesplitters, Ironjawz, and KB, I feel your pain. The largest part of my orc collection was outright removed from the game, and I can't even cobble my leftovers into an army anymore.
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42 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:
Magic and Prayers preview, along with a couple more Warscrolls.
Wizards and Priests now functioning somewhat differently in their mechanics I think is really cool.
I do not like armies having to pick a single spell lore, that's a huge step down in theming and flavor. LRL are built around having a generic lore of light vs all the unique elemental lores, and many other armies have similar divides. Orcs for example, you'll have to basically choose between Ironjawz and KB magic for your entire army instead of having dedicated support pieces.
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I do not like the bland battle formations replacing the cool subfactions 40K style. I'll just leave it at that.
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9 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
It was probably a mid path between removing all the options and leaving them. This way people won't complain that much and in the next iteration they can remove without problem everything apart from the hammer and shield.
True, I wasn't thinking about the old kit, not that anyone actually built them with double weapons but this way they can handwave backward compatibility without bothering to stat out weapon options.
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5 minutes ago, GloomkingWortwazi said:
Yup.
Infinity, Legion, etc. all online, all free. I hate that rule books are part of GW's business model, especially as a method to manage updated game pieces, game balance and rules errors.GW battletomes are simply insanely expensive. I personally stopped buying them outside of army box deals a while ago, and it not because I dislike physical media, it's just impossible to justify spending $50+ on a slim hardback with rules that will be out of date before it even ships, not to mention all the copy-pasted lore, reused art, etc. Making them digital but at the same price point just makes the price-gouging feel that much more acute.
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14 minutes ago, Beliman said:
I'm in the middle of Gitzslayer and I must say that it's crazy how good are some books and how bad are others.
It seems that even the power-level of the books is stupid, sometimes you feel lile you are in the middle of the Golden Voyage of Sinbad, snd sometimes you feel that you are in the middle of Goku and Vegeta (90s cartoons).
As someone who has read a lot of Black Library, it has always been thus, even back in the days of yore.
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The Rumour Thread
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New Sorcerer model coming, maybe? I never liked the old Sorcerer model, just used UW warband Sorcs instead.