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Elegant, simple, intuitive, forward thinking and adjustable.
Very little chance at all GW will do it because they believe the vast majority of the players wouldn't think of min/maxing lists outside of a tiny handful of tournament players.
Barely needs to be said that this isnt the case and that the vast majority of people will go for the obviously much more powerful option even if they dont completely maximise the list tournament style.
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6 hours ago, Overread said:
Seraphon might also make an appearance as well.
A few pages back there was a long discussion about lore and whether they are remembered or spawned or a bit of both. I'd love to see the remembering put into practice on a super powerful Slan. When it takes wounds it gets bracketed like a monster but instead of having less attacks or damage it forgets and a unit(s) in the army lose models that were forgotten.
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19 hours ago, Gwendar said:
Things didn't go great against Sylvaneth today.. though I guess it was about time for him to get one out of the 5-6+ games I've played against them 😉
Not gonna do a full report as I don't have much time, but I ran a 6 Fiend, 60 Clanrats and 2 WLC's under double Arkhspark with an AW, 2 Engineers and WLV + Bridge + Vermintide. My opponent ran Winterleaf and it was definitely his best choice to date. Total Conquest. I had priority choice so I opted to let him go first after pre-measuring everything out. Long story short, I played heavily for the double turn and while WLV + 1 WLC killed his Drycha and put 5 on his TLA the woods prevented the Ratlings from having any targets and the Windlaunchers only managed to get 4 through on a Wych.
I lost the priority roll, he teleported his 6 Kurnoths 9" away (I premeasured 13" to keep them out of range, but failed to remember that the woods near the Fiends would allow them to teleport closer) they made the charge and that was it; all his hits explode on 6's and he had a OPG double pile-in ability and nothing can stand up to that many -2 rend d3 damage hits. I banked on the double which is something I rarely do and lost.. but it was entirely my fault as I played way to aggressively and didn't screen my Fiends. Total Conquest is something you can easily wait out until late game to win on so I really should've just held back, baited out the Spites + Kurnoths and them remove them with all my available shooting and then pushed out of my deployment by T3.
Anyway, I'll try the list again as the WLC's didn't have a proper chance to shoot at anything thanks to his woods placement; that -1 to the power roll is definitely great as it pretty much turned my 2 MW's into 5 MW's when one of them shot off the Drycha. Next Saturday is our monthly "tournament" and I'll likely run the same thing to see how it does.. Sunday however I'll probably try something different. Gotta get the Skaven games in before I start playing Tzeentch for awhile 😅Wait, am I being dumb or can you not take skryre battalions if you have clan rats in your list? I thought you had to be pure 1 clan to get battleline and use the battalions?
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Anything in your list has to fully identified. I'm sure i saw an FAQ recently though that said if a new wizard is summoned in game then they can choose a spell.
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They are part of your list building so yes, they have to be chosen before the game starts.
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2 hours ago, Deepkin said:
She's alive again three years from now anyways, when the REAL Warhammer comes back 😉
Realistically wont this just be an extension of legends into a book with some narrative campaigns and things?
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59 minutes ago, basement dweller said:
Good morning,
Ive finished painting my first 1000 points of moulder and am having second thoughts on my 2000 point list. I feel like an endless spell would be nice for some board control. As well, i am wondering if the verminlord is as useful at 320 as he is now. Any thoughts are appreciated...knowing i will struggle with this list more than a mixed clan list. Also wondering about units and sizes...maybe im better off with a bigger ogre unit but am concerned with board coverage as well. Only so many choices with moulder and maybe im getting too stuck in the minor details. I play some tough armies and want to do the best i can with the tools available....
2 master moulders - rabid crown on one
Verminlord warpseer
20 giant rats
40 giant rats
10 giant rats
4 rat ogres
4 rat ogres
2x hellpit abominations
3x packmasters
Fleahmeld menagerie
I would bump one of the rat ogre units up to 6 and drop the rest. I have fpund it gives you more punch and survivability. That gives you 100pts to spend on spells. Vermintide, palisade , geminids, pendulum are all solid options. Think less damage and more board control to allow your rats to flood objectives.
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7 hours ago, MitGas said:
Well, they'll release him in a few months for sure by himself.
Tell that to the skaven bombardier, arch revenant and other box set heroes. Its been almost 11months for the skaven and FEC, 6 for Sylvaneth.
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23 hours ago, Kurrilino said:
This is the last thing we need.
Stormcast already have 30x units then all of the other factions together.
99% of the AOS players would be thankful if the Stormcast don't get anything new for the next 10 years. Just updating the books for the other factions is not cutting it.
Stormcast sell well and are the poster boys of AOS so they will be updated. I will eat my shoe if only 1% of players use Stormcast. Its probably more like 50% of people have some from starter sets and at least 25% of all players might be stormcast (tournament entries are not representative of the player base). Look at these forums for example. Over 7,500 posts on the main stormcast AOS 2.0 board alone which is more than FEC, HOS, and DOK put together and they are the tournament hotness.
If the ratios were lower it also wouldn't be in their interest to release all the unique stormcast characters.
You might hate them or be annoyed that your army wont get the same focus but Stormcast will get regular updates pretty much forever just like Space marines.
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12 minutes ago, Darkhan said:
Imo, you still want them in 40, since the removed the rerolling hits:/
So you get the +1 hit +1 wound buff.
Of course! I forgot that. So 40 with blades are kicking out 3at on the charge 2+, 3+. That is still very good.
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Summary of changes to the plague monk scroll.
Rend and extra damage gone, rerolls with blades out and changed to 3+ to hit instead of 4+.
New add in is extra wound for each wound roll of 6.
Weapon choices changed so you can only have blades or staves (that will upset a lot of people with monks built with both)
Staves +1 attack
Standard bearers and harbringers changed to 1 in 10 from 1 in 20.
This will certainly be different (and quicker) to play. The unit is still very powerful but now good in smaller units of 20 rather than blocks of 40.
I think this is quite well thought out rather than a complete points nerf which would have killed of clan pestilence armies.
I am sure some clever Rat will do the math on the damage output changes but maybe 20-25%?
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So rend and extra damage gone, rerolls with blades out and changed to 3+ to hit instead of 4+.
New add in is extra wound for each wound roll of 6.
Weapon choices changed so you can only have blades or staves (that will upset a lot of people with monks built with both)
Staves +1 attack
Standard bearers and harbringers changed to 1 in 10 from 1 in 20.
This will certainly be different (and quicker) to play. The unit is still very powerful but now good in smaller units of 20 rather than blocks of 40.
I think this is quite well thought out rather than a complete points nerf which would have killed of clan pestilence armies.
I am sure some clever Rat will do the math on the damage output changes but I suspect its approx 25%.
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On 12/10/2019 at 7:24 PM, Laststand said:
Played a Christmas 3,000pt game today v khorne. Practically my whole collection on the table and despite the fact I don't have any verminlords and my plague monks are still in a box I managed to chew chew chew through most of his army including taking down 4 bloodthirsters (including Skarbrand).
List/review up in a day or two when my brain is less fuzzy or you can watch it soon on the Log Cabin Gaming youtube channel.
I didnt manage to write up a report in the end as I kept finding gaps in my notes but the batrep is up so you can watch at your leisure.
My list was:
Allegiance: Skaventide
Leaders
Arch-Warlock (160)
- General
- Trait: Deranged Inventor
- Artefact: Vigordust Injector
- Lore of Warpvolt Galvanism: More-more-more Warp Power!
Grey Seer on Screaming Bell (220)
- Lore of Ruin: Death Frenzy
Master Moulder (100)
Thanquol on Boneripper (400)
- Lore of Ruin: Warpgale
Warlock Engineer (100)
- Lore of Warpvolt Galvanism: More-more-more Warp Power!
Battleline
20 x Clanrats (120)
- Rusty Spear
20 x Clanrats (120)
- Rusty Spear
20 x Clanrats (120)
- Rusty Spear
20 x Clanrats (120)
- Rusty Spear
Units
6 x Rat Ogors (300)
1 x Ratling Gun (60)
6 x Stormfiends (520)
6 x Warplock Jezzails (280)
War Machines
Doomwheel (160)
Warp Lightning Cannon (180)
Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Vermintide (40)
Total: 3000 / 3000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 500
Wounds: 213
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27 minutes ago, pacopeco said:
well my list rigth now was 6 fiends and 6 jezzail, with 40 monks but always want remove the monks(i hate them), probably ill test a option with rat ogres or more clanrats and ratling gun
I have had some success with units of 6 rat ogres and a master moulder close by. Their save is poor but they pack a nice punch. That is 400pts with the MM though and they really arnt worth taking in smaller units.
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3 minutes ago, Gwendar said:
It definitely could've been worse.. although whatever the Plague Monk change is will be what shakes everything up. As it stands, the points don't affect my magic list (just remove Vermintide and that's it, really) but it definitely fubar's my more competitive builds.
I wonder if it could mean we start seeing the return of big Acolyte blocks (even with their now 100% confirmed 32mm bases) accompanied by 9-12 Jezzails or 6 Fiends? I don't see taking split Fiends in 1x6 and 1x3 or 2x6, but I could be wrong.Would they really incentivise Acolytes when everyone still converts them up? Or is there a possible top up release on the horizon? Acolytes, a weapon teams kit and some real Eshin.
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Played a Christmas 3,000pt game today v khorne. Practically my whole collection on the table and despite the fact I don't have any verminlords and my plague monks are still in a box I managed to chew chew chew through most of his army including taking down 4 bloodthirsters (including Skarbrand).
List/review up in a day or two when my brain is less fuzzy or you can watch it soon on the Log Cabin Gaming youtube channel.
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9 hours ago, Skreech Verminking said:
Sadly not, since Gw has chosen to remove it’s pointcost and existence with the last ghb.
Thats a shame. Ah well. On to plan B.
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Forgive the probably obvious question but can I use Skratchnik's Warpcoven from the carrion empire box in matchplay and if so can I use it with a mixed skaventide list rather than Skryre list? I suspect the answer to both is no but worth a go.
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1 hour ago, Overread said:
This is one of those "yes you can" situations where I have a bit of a feeling that its not what GW intends and it could be Errata/FAQ corrected. In all their displays of the army and in all their chatter the greatblade unit is always different to the Hekatos. The Hekatos, Banner holder and greatblade holder are all displayed as 3 individual choices within the force, never doubling up on either.
So I'd approach this one with a bit of caution since its very likely GW will rule in the future that they have to be a different model.
At the same time GW could rule the other way and say that its very much intended to be the case. Either way I would recommend emailing GW with this question. The more people that email them this question (individual people not you spamming their inbox with 30 messages) the more chance there is that GW will address it in the FAQ that will likely be released in about 2 weeks time.
I know there is a whole thread on GW rule writing and this isnt a rant but it does puzzle me how this happens. They must proof read the books multiple times and they have to known people look out for inconsistencies like this and spamming the cavalry command ability. An afternoon in the hands of a tournament player and they could come back to the rules team with a list of obvious inconsistencies like this they could clarify before print.
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On 11/1/2019 at 1:32 AM, Dolomyte said:
at what point at the catapults scary? If someone takes one, at 200 points mind you, against most hero’s it has a 50 percent chance or worse to do any damage, against some armies it’s near useless, and against a rare few it’s very very good.
if you take three your spending 600 points on them, which again could be worthless depending on matchup. I just don’t see them as threatening in the slightest. What am I missing?
Two catapults shooting the standard ammo have 6 shots on 2+, 3+. That averages out to 3.33 saves to make. If a 5 wound hero fails one he dies. If most other characters fail 2 they die. Some heroes can take 10 damage but not many. They can also go for elite units that tend to be strong but low in numbers. Yes they have no rend but each save roll is real jeopardy. The range is also a thing. 36" is ridiculous and can pretty much reach the entire board, 12 wounds takes a huge amount of chewing through.
Yes the special shots are strong and situational but the standard shooting is exceptional.
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On 10/30/2019 at 3:15 PM, dekay said:
We can safely assume that Tyrion/Teclis army will be 'light elves' in the same way Fyreslayers are 'fire dwarves' - something heavily themed and non standard. Not just high elves but shinier.
Maybe with wings and shiny armour. An elvish version of this
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I played a 1,000pt game recently where I had this:
Gotrek
Lord Celestant
3X Palladors
5 Liberators
5 Liberators
Played v ironjaws so we were always going to get into a fight. What i didnt realise until he was on the table is that Gotrek creates a significant fear factor for your opponent. They don't want to go anywhere near him. When he did get into combat he killed 10 brutes in one go and the rest of the battle my opponent moved everything away from him (i ran Gitrek every time inviti g a charge) rather than get close. I should have taken a wizard though as the greenie player teleported his other units all around the place and i lost because it was the battleplan where if you control 2 you instawin.
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On 7/20/2019 at 11:50 PM, Luzgurbel said:
I am totally convinced that Ogors and BCR will be together in the same book, just as the Cities of Sigmar new battletlome does.
And lo and behold you were right!
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10 hours ago, GeneralZero said:
If they put Aventis Firestrike in the SC box, it is day one order for me. But I don't believe such a miniature in this box.
I was surprised last week when I read this leak. The choice of Stormcast is obvious (as the 2 space marine are) , gloomspite is ok, but skaven? nighthaunt? I thought that they at least put a CoS box with so many possibilities (or an orruk) . Skaven have already 2 SC! and NH have the starter. Strange choice of army boxes.
On the other hand I guessed the 40k ones. So no surprise here.
Skaven only have 1 sc and it only includes battleline troops for clan pestilens. Granted the war machines have alt builds but you cant really start an army from it unless you go thay way or buy clanrats seperately.
Its a good box but not representitive of the faction
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