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It is also not letting my riggers show up as battleline even with appropriate general. I am not having a problem adding other dwarves to the list, you just have to have the right amount of ko in the list or it won’t let you add in non KO units till you do.

Zilfin 1k list endrinmaster frigate frigate endrinriggers x 6 shooty endrinriggers x 6 shooty (not for your meeting engagement, just a tac list)

Just don’t forget that 10 dudes plus a hero overloads the frigate. An iron sky attack squad with loondrinmaster is just over 1k points sadly. Points are just right for 2 footdrinmasters but without having room in the boats it doesn’t seem efficient at all.

Just because I was digging through the details of the special rules, I noticed the endrinmasters can repair ships within 1”. So endrinmasters in a clown car screening for an ironclad can still repair that ironclad. If you do it right Also, if someone smokes that gunhauler, when you place your toons down that’s a whole second screen you get to place.

Meant going from 4’s to 2’s. Not saying that makes my math right but maybe close.

“ oh your general on burning chariot is -2 to be hit in close combat? I’m +3 to hit baby c’mere!!”

Being at a +2 would be more for getting your thunderers and boarding weapons up to a 2+. Doubles the damage output for those by my napkin math. Especially nice because all that damage can be coming coming out of just the tip of your ironclads nose if you screen both sides and barely let someone into base contact. Albeit at different activations. An admiral, 2 endrinmasters and a navigator could be a nice little surprise for someone if you cram it all into gunhauler and go big game hunting!! Might only work once though lol.

Don’t forget that because repel boarders is a +1 to hit and not reroll 1’s you can double or triple tap it.

Well that list is completely different from anything else I’ve seen posted so yeah, flexibility. You want flexibility pls allow me to demonstrate. Ok so from that same same list I posted. 1. Can be barak urbaz right off the bat, no changes required. (Command trait and relics) 2. Drop a unit of thunderers and you can buy an ironclad, boom totally different list. (Was wrong on points) 3. Drop the venator and unit of arkos to take a loondrinmaster, the rest of your hero’s and 5 thunderers to take 2 units of 6 riggers, be whatever barak you want. 4. Drop 3 gunhaulers and a unit of arkos, take an ironclad and an admiral, boom. 5. I can do this all day brah

Here is my take on a footsloggers list. Barak nar khemist- champion of progress, A-rune khemist navigator Knight- venator thunderers x 20 full special thunderers x 20 full special arkos x 10 arkos x 10 gunhauler- drill cannon gunhauler- drill cannon gunhauler- drill cannon i honestly don’t know wth you would do vs another gunline, you’d probably get outranged pretty easily, I have some interesting screening ideas for turtling though. Gunhaulers to either go hero sniping or playing objectives. By the time I get my 3 sc boxes for the haulers I would have enough thunderers to run this list. Not sure if its really playable but you’ll definitely raise some eyebrows when you tell your opponent your running ko and this is what you end up putting down “oh you tailored in a bunch of chaff.... oops...”

My opinion on the viability of a second ballondrinmaster is that if you already have say two boats and 2 - 6 man units of riggers/ wardens then each boat/ unit of loons has its own loondrinmaster to deepstrike around with. Maximizes our 7 man Hitcher teams and is a good mobile threat platform. Not saying an extra unit of riggers wouldn’t be “better” but if that unit of riggers doesn’t have a ride it might not be “better” anymore. Also after my few games with the new book I don’t see myself not putting tough as old boots on my loondrinmaster general (when possible)

For my money (literally) gunhaulers are the mvp of our book. Best shooting profile for our best weapon, a movement gimmick written into the warscroll, can deepstrike (with any amount of wounds put on it) and can haul off 7 hitchers the same as the ironclad. Its also featured in our best warscroll battalion the escort wing. Its too bad they used to be poo and I don’t own any yet. Will be getting 3 for sure. (Unless pointy aelves blow me away on Thursday)

Gunhaulers auto-mortal-wound on 5’s with their drill cannons just sayyyin. Great range too.

-1 from the command trait and -1 for look out sir, I too played against tzeentch last night. Unoptomized tzeentch list and I made some bonehead mistakes so you all probably arnt super interested.

I havnt received any warnings and thought I was debating in a calm and respectful manor. Guess we can drop it though, sorry.

I have been. Just because I have a view point that’s different than yours does not mean I am not reading your posts. Which small portion of the book are you referring to that you’re “always forced to take over everything else”? You are crying about the internal POWERLEVEL and wrongly referring to it as internal BALANCE. The book can be internally balanced at a ****** powerlevel. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. You say we are less internally balanced because we have less viable options. That is very poor logic unless you want to tell me which of our one “viable” options is that stands so much higher than the rest of the “non viable” ones. I think maybe you are so bitter about the book that you physically can’t handle someone saying something halfway positive about the book that you have to go in for personal attacks just because they arnt bitching as loudly as you are.

You just love to move them goal posts don’t you if all our units are equally unviable then that is internal balance. By freaking definition bro. If obr has one allegiance that is flat out better THAN THE OTHER ALLEGIENCE ABILITIES, then that is the OPOSITE of internal balance. Leave the warscrolls out of it we are talking about the allegience abilities. Internal balance doesnt have A SINGLE THING to do with our level of competitiveness. That would be the external balance as in wether two books are balanced to each other. you say you know but then you kept talking and proved you didn’t. Less viable units doesn’t equal bad internal balance unless you have 1 amazing unit and a bunch of not great units. All of our units are equally meh and that means that it is internally balanced. you think it’s a garbage book full of garbage units and that’s ok, I’m not even saying you are wrong about that. Our book is is very balanced internally it’s just at a crappy power lvl COMPARED TO OTHER BOOKS.

I don’t think you understand what internal balance means. If your book book has one option that is the clear winner, that is the opposite of internal balance.

My blind and aggressive support is not in defense of our power level. I have been very clear about that. My blind and aggressove support is for our expanded battleline options and how much it opens up list building. I’ve played a handful of games already too thanks

I just don’t get why you guys think we don’t have any options because we arnt at a high power level. No good options is NOT the same as NO OPTIONS. For me it’s harder to pick your allegiance in say OBR because there is one option that is SO MUCH BETTER (mathematically) than the others, how do you choose anything else. Ko has a TON of options and if you just don’t like how powerful they ALL are, that’s a whole different discussion. To me me it proves we have internal balance. (Yes we are underpowered imo)

You guys are lamenting the lack of choices when you shouldn’t be, there are a ton of choices. You just don’t like any of them but the choices are there.

Having bad options is worse than having no options? So you could have a heart attack and die or...... you could lose an arm or...... an eyeball. Would you like to choose a bad option or would you like to not have options and you’re just freaking dead??? There is a TON of things to complain about in this book, going from 1 battleline option to 6 IS NOT ONE OF THEM. Nothing but bad options? Thunderers are one of our best units and part of a great battalion , endrinriggers/ skywardens are one of our best units in the book and can be battleline in ANY BARAK and are part of 2 battalions gunhaulers are one of our best unit and a freaking boat that provides a ton of utility on top of its profile AND can be taken in battalion frigates are one of our main units and a boat that provides our utility and is part of a battalion. You can have a whole army of boats if you want 8 at 2k omg so restrictive!! (I guess you would need a general) what units CANT be battleline???? Ironclad and characters. 1 unit in the entire book that CANT be battleline. So restrictive. If you thought it was so much better when you COULD ONLY take arkos as battleline then just do that and quit crying about all the options that you now have that you don’t like ANY of. Try just a little! i seriously can’t even comprehend that you’re saying our battleline options ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE now that you have 6 options instead of 1. Every single unit in the book besides 1 and characters can be battleline. with all these new books having their own allegiance abilities each with their own restrictions, list building is all about choices. You don’t get it all. If you think it’s awesome gunhaulers can be battleline, that’s a choice you have to run with. Everybody has units that are battleline with a certain general, or unlock certain battleines in certain allegiances. Everybody has to make tough decisions. if everyone is writing the same lists pls post a cpl so I can show you 3-5 TOTALLY different lists that are trying to do different things. Dont you you dare use anything as battleline besides arkos because nobody likes choices and you’re so restricted by having 6 options. Youd rather just have 1 so let’s see it.

No YOU don’t want to use those battleline options. I’ve written lists that have 3 different battleline units in the same list that all fit nicely into a detachment that works nicely with the Barak I wanted for a given list. List building is a dream come true compared to our last book You say how restrictive list building is now but you are only making your own restrictions. You are making vague comments like “you have to decide if your list is going to suck or if you are using endrinriggers as battleline” that’s all on you. It’s not true at all you are just being negative and very uncreative. What ate are you trying to get accomplished in a list that you are being restricted from doing?

Last edition you straight up had an arkonaught tax... they were your only option and they sucked at their intended use. (Big block of skyhooks is arguable as intended, just got exploited by mathhammer) now we have up to 6 battleline options and you say it’s more restrictive? Doesn’t make sense to me.

Well you could plan on turtling in a corner and then it doesn’t matter if you go first or second. Our screens are cheaper now and we have the mobility to get anywhere even from deploying in a corner. I don’t know how you can complain about restrictive list building considering where we just came from.