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1 hour ago, Malakithe said:
Yeah I figured ships would jump back up with all these new abilities. My guess is frigates will be 260-300pts. Ironclads might not change. And depending on the changes the gunhauler might go up to 200pts. Making all of their uses limited
For 300 pts frigate must be 40k leman russ in the world of AoS.
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1 hour ago, Kramer said:
Was looking at the artwork in the preview article but this has to be thryng right. Valaya, grimnir, someone, Grungni right?
Yes it is Thryng art from old KO BT.
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4 minutes ago, plavski said:
It's nice that it doesn't specify a phase like Blood Warriors. If you're in combat but get shot up, or get magicked off the field, you can still fight the unit you're next to.
Yea, now our 1/4+/5+/-/1 gunbutt attack is much more dangerous)
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It's sad that we must take 12 man squads of baloon boys to use aether gold...
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2 hours ago, GeneralZero said:
Gunhowlers question : they are in the artillery slot which is max out at 4 per 2000 pts. Can we have several of them in one unit, counting as one? Because if it is 4 ships max, I couldn't spam gunhowlers!, !?!?????
I'd like to have a SHIP ARMY followed by buble men.
I will be happy to see 1-3 of them per unit.
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2 minutes ago, Kramer said:
now I feel bad ☹️. Fair enough you are right. You should be allowed to be sceptical without me writing 6 novels to argue positivity.
It’s just, to me, exclamations like ‘it seems like a joke’ come across as a negative click bait title. Especially when it’s without any knowledge (not calling you unknowledgable, but we as a community don’t know anything yet.)Just saying. When our book comes out I want to be pleasantly surprised)
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9 hours ago, Sactownbri said:
How about Frigates for battleline
Only for Zilfin.
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43 minutes ago, Kramer said:
That’s what tempest eye did for me 😁
but allied hearthguard with a runesmiter has been a great allied force for my KO for a year now. It’s really useful to set up that wall of undying dwarfs on the table.
fyreslayrrs, in small groups, seem really fun to paint as well
If you want damage and survivability instead of movement that’s called fyreslayers. I’m not saying KO is any tier yet until we see some play but if you feel teleportation is not going to help be competitive you haven’t played a objective based game in a while. Having a boat with passengers just move anywhere in their movement phase is insanely good.
regarding still needing battleline. We have no idea if the frigates battleline in ziflin is the only one. Skywardens conditional battleline seems likely to me, same for thunderers. And where did you get the points?
Or the confirmation that the khemist rule won’t change but the amount of special weapons will?Fact is. Just like anyone here you don’t know anything besides the community article. So why do desperate to convince people this is going to be a fail? let the glass half full people enjoy it and when we turn out to be a 3-2 army there is time enough to bemoan we need survivability 😁
I just want to be more sceptical about it.
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6 hours ago, Stormrage89 said:
I think If they did a slight upgrade to its shooting characteristics (more shots or more accurate shots), and hopefully change the bomb racks to be more then a 50,50 chance. (without changing the prince) I think they would be a pretty solid unit. The Fly Higher trait depends on keeping your woulds less then 7 or it goes away. In that way the "Escort Vessel" trait becomes way more valuable.
Don't get me wrong, If they made they way better i would not complain. I just think with a few slight improvements they would be just fine.
What do you guys think?
I think that you will drop your troops from the ship and they will die from enemy charge. I still can't understand why everyone thinks that garrison rule and teleportation will help KO being competitive. You can transport only 10-20 models per ship and it's 320-720 pts for one packed up ship. Plus you need heroes and battleline. Without chemist buff, 1 skyhook per 10 arcanauts and 4+ tohit with shooting it looks like a joke to me. We need damage or survivability not movement. I hope we will get that.
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New rule for thunderers looks a bit silly. Yes now they are more dangerous in close combat. But as far as I know they can't survive the charge. So what is the case?
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13 minutes ago, Kramer said:
That’s true. Seems like an easy task. But the time spend on that isn’t spend on something that will sell better is probably the reason.
And on top of that, will releasing models below their norm, hurt their image? I don’t know but having worked for several companies as a freelance communication advisor I know how protective companies can be about their company standard.Business is business)
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57 minutes ago, Kramer said:
Okay.
1. If that's the issue. Totally fair but that's not been in the comments as far as I can see. (unless followed by GW hates me level comments)
2. If you post that question maybe someone will know and can help clear it up.
3. I don't think anybody can truly clear it up. But as far as I understand it through all the podcasts and interviews with GW employees it's all down to model first. If the Ogor release was on the schedule and a designer got a cool idea for the mawpot and it was approved. That's why it's there. Fyreslayers a designer created the endless spells and that's why they got them. There apparently wasn't a design that was approved. It's no stranger than that.Probably you are right but if to be honest creating 3 boxes of models (hero/es/terrain) doesn't looks like rocket science for me)
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29 minutes ago, Kramer said:
True but spending that money doesn’t make GW personally you anything. So whining about being supposedly wronged is a delusion.
And again a lot of the posters have been showing that behaviour for well over a year and there was never going to be another tome, and life was 💩 and now there is a tome which could have been the coolest rules ever.... but no, again GW shafted them personally. Apparently.
also just want to make the distinction again. Posting that you feel a lack of more models is a shame is something completely different then whining. (Although those aren’t mutually exclusive either)I see the main problem that we have no clue why specific releases include one or another items/models. Why orogs get hero and terrain and fyreslayers get spells and terrain? Why beasts of chaos get spells and terrain and KO get only hero? It's so strange and confusing.
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23 minutes ago, Kramer said:
No I call bull on this. Don’t try to group the people talking about it being a shame of missing out on terrain, with the people complaining GW hates them, the army etc.
the first group is fine, the second group is getting flacc for their behaviour.For some people this things are connected. The more money you spend the more personal each new release will be. Especially if you are monofaction collector.
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3 minutes ago, Entombet said:
Yet, no new releases.
If KO had the same amount of units I doubt we will need ES and terrain.
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1 minute ago, Entombet said:
Well IJ didnt get nothing and they are good army after new book.
You mean Orruk warclans? They have more models in general.
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3 minutes ago, Phasteon said:
Thats a bit drastic dont you think? Yeah we probably all like fancy dice or other stuff but lets be honest, dice are dice and thats it.
I just care for the content of the tome (lore, artworks and most important: RULES).
I would have bought anything they release but I have more than enough dice at home.
For me it's more about: "how interesting KO for GW?" And apparently not interesting at all... so our faction probably will be the last for any new editions and models.
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It's so sad if to be honest. Even dice set is not included... Looks like GW is not interested in KO at all.
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8 minutes ago, Luzgurbel said:
As I expected, Chaaos side takes all the love... Sorry Admirals, my armies always keep in the bad side (Ogors, IJ, KO). Im completely jinxed.
I'm with you man... It's looks like a bad joke right now.
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The more I think about overwatch the more I want it. Plus command ability to shoot after retreat. I think this alone will balance our infantry units.
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My 6930 pts of KO. Have plans to buy 3 more endrinmasters and one more frigate
Allegiance: Kharadron Overlords
Skyport: Barak-Mhornar
- Additional Footnote: There's No Trading With Some People
LEADERSArcanaut admiral (120)
Brokk Grungsson (240)
Endrinmaster (120)
Aetheric Navigator (80)
Aetheric Navigator (80)
Aether-Khemist (140)
Aether-Khemist (140)
Aether-Khemist (140)
Aether-Khemist (140)
Bjorgen Thundrik (260)
UNITS M S W B
40 x Arkanaut Company (480)
- 12 x Light Skyhooks
20 x Arkanaut Company (240)
- 6 x Skypikes
20 x Arkanaut Company (240)
- 6 x Aethermatic Volley Guns
12 x Endrinriggers (480)
- 4 x Skyhooks
12 x Skywardens (400)
- 4 x Aethermatic Volley Guns
- 4 x Drill Cannons
12 x Endrinriggers (480)
- 4 x Skyhooks
12 x Skywardens (400)
- 4 x Aethermatic Volley Guns
- 4 x Drill Cannons
6 x Skywardens (200)
4 x Thundrik's Profiteers (0)
15 x Grundstok Thunderers (270)
- 4 x Aethershot Rifles
- 2 x Aetheric Fumigators
- 3 x Decksweepers
- 3 x Aethercannons
- 3 x Grundstok Mortars
15 x Grundstok Thunderers (270)
- 4 x Aethershot Rifles
- 2 x Aetheric Fumigators
- 3 x Decksweepers
- 3 x Aethercannons
- 3 x Grundstok Mortars
WAR MACHINESArkanaut Frigate (200)
- Main Gun : Heavy Sky Cannon
Arkanaut Frigate (200)
- Main Gun : Heavy Sky Cannon
Arkanaut Frigate (200)
- Main Gun : Heavy Sky Cannon
Arkanaut Ironclad (380)
- Main Gun : Aethermatic Volley Cannon
Grundstok Gunhauler (130)
- Main Gun : Drill Cannon
Grundstok Gunhauler (130)
- Main Gun : Drill Cannon
Grundstok Gunhauler (130)
- Main Gun : Drill Cannon
Grundstok Gunhauler (130)
- Main Gun : Drill Cannon
BATTALIONS
Grand Armada (100)
Grundstok Escort Wing (130)
Iron Sky Command (150)
Iron Sky Squadron (130)
* See Warscroll
TOTAL: 6930/2000 EXTRA COMMAND POINTS: 4 WOUNDS: 371
LEADERS: 10/6 BATTLELINES: 3 (3+) BEHEMOTHS: 4/4 ARTILLERY: 4/4
ARTEFACTS: 0/5 ALLIES: 0/400Pics will be after 22-23 feb)
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2 minutes ago, Luzgurbel said:
Maybe before, but now we the new Archaon, I don't believe so.
You can kill him on turn one. Even now.
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52 minutes ago, Phasteon said:
But if they need to be „the allrounder unit“ they will need more than a 4+ save. But to be fair, 4+ Save/5+ Save doesnt matter, they are still gonna die, imo they need to kill whatever tries to kill them first. Thats how the whole army is supposed to work but atm it doesnt because you get 1 round of shooting with most of the units hitting or wounding on 4+, then you need a doubleturn or you are done because most of your shooting range (12-18) is in the enemies potential charge range.
Arkanauts dont need better saves, they need better rules!
Dont know if it wouldnt be too much but imagine them shooting at the beginning of the fight phase. Then even those 4+/4+ shots would hurt.
Rules to let them fight twice (with improved combat profiles), retreat instead of fighting (which could be combined with the already existing fight last ability of the ships),basically ANYTHING to make the opponent worry about our army, other than 12 endrinriggers or 12 skyhooks to the face.
Edit: I’d happily pay 20-30% more points for our units if they perform well enough for their cost.
I could totally live with 3-4 Heroes, 1 of each Ships, 3 Battlelines (more choice here please) and a support/elite unit. Fyreslayers work like that too now and they are so much fun to play.
I think I'll agree. Maybe overwatch can be one of KO allegiance ability? So when our oponent decide to charge he will think twice knowing that our army will have second shooting phase. In that case thunderers ability to retreate will be more dangerous and our awful combat phase will be balanced.
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1 hour ago, Phasteon said:
I cant tell you yet because I dont know the new rules.
But I am pretty sure there will be ways.
Maybe I misunderstood you and you wanted to say that grots also dont look like a 4+ save but a) its not their profile save and b) its JUST against shooting (which is kinda problematic for us at the moment but we shall see. At least we dont shoot them with - to hit like close combat units do)
tbh, I did not play my KO for over a year now (aside from 3-4 fungames) as they cant deal with most things reliably at the moment, which the new battletome will fix I am sure.
I just mean that KO need something to deal with horde army)
And don't mind me wrong I'm not a huge fan of 4+ save or 2w arcanaut. But I'm sure that gw will not give them more damage so the only way how you can balance them - make them tougher.
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Posted · Edited by cofaxest
Did anyone have any ideas how we could use our aether gold shares? We must take 20 man units of arcanauts, 15 man units of thunderers and 12 man units of skyriggers. It's 1390-1470 pts without ships, heroes or battalions.