[The Rumour Thread]

So do we think it’s just ironjawz wave 2 and FEC left for aos third ? That would make it I think have less product released in the edition than first or second 

Basically we got 13 model waves in aos1 and 11 in aos2 (plus a smattering of characters)

How much is left in aos3?

Aos1 

2015
1 Stormcast 1 
2 Khorne bloodbound
3 Slaves to darkness 1

2016
4 Fyreslayers
5 Ironjawz
6 Stormcast 1.5
7 Sylvaneth

2017
8 Desciples of tzeentch
9 Stormcast vanguard 2
10 Kharadron overlords

2018
11 Maggotkin of nurgle 
12 Daughters of khaine
13 Idoneth deepkin

Aos2
1 Stormcast 3
2 Nighthaunt 

2019 
3 Gloomspite gitz 
4 Hedonites of slaanesh
5 OBR
6 Slaves 2 warcry 

2020
7 lumineth 
8 Sons of Behemat

2021
9 Hedonites 2
10 lumineth 2 
11 soulblight 

Aos3 
1 Stormcast 5
2 Kruleboyz

2022
3 nighthaunt wave 2
4 Sylvaneth wave 2
5 sons of behemat wave 2
6. Slaves to darkness wave 2

2023
7. Seraphon mega wave 
8. Cities of Sigmar mega wave
9. Ironjawz wave 2

2024
10. FEC mega wave 
11. ???

4th Ed

[The Rumour Thread]

1 hour ago, Doko said:

yes 100% my feelings,i was waiting to know what units was going to be removed with the book and what remain to then buy the dark elf start colleting before that they delete it due to the new vanguard box.

but now i dont know,i dont want again as happened with my wild ryders and phoenyx temple units,that i buy new models and then they are deleted in short time.

if i buy somethimg i hope have 15+ years to use due to his cost in money and time to build

I think it’s been fairly evident that if you want 15 years use of a model you should only ever buy the new models. If you buy 8th ed dark elf or dwarf models now you have to be at peace with the idea that they may be legended within 2 years. 

[The "mortals redesign" Discussion]

Irondrakes in the new photos next to the Alchemite dude so confirmed as staying 

[The Rumour Thread]

Personally I think this is bonkers and wish they’d kept the wanderers kits over the dark elf ones.. but I do understand Har Kuron is a thing 

[The Rumour Thread]

Cities having 54 warscrolls is a bit of a shock to me and makes me think way more is saying than we’d thought.

1. New lady on manticore
2. Generic lord in manticore
3. Freeguild Marshall
4. Steelhelms
5. Alchemite warforger
6. Freeguild cavaliers
7. Fusil major on Ogor war hulk 
47 others units….

there are 62 units in the current cities range. If we assume that the cities range is say 17 new warscrolls (equal to Idoneth in scale) then we are keeping 37 of the existing warscrolls to get to the right number and therefore losing only 25.

if you lose every model that was part of the Empire army book in 8th then you lose 18 warscrolls.

so what are the other 7? Wanderers I think only have 6 warscrolls. So maybe we’re only getting 16 new kits.

 

so my assumption is all 8th ed wood elves and Empire models go 

all 8th ed Dwarf and Dark Elf and High Elf kits stay 

[The Rumour Thread]

Ok 4th ed play test rumours are plausible. The rules will be done by now and I imagine it’s heading off to the printers in a few months time if it’s hitting next June and we know china printing and shipping is about 6 months currently.

Id be down with a joint hero phase to be honest - im assuming it’s something like this ?
 

Battleround change is 
Priority 
Player 1 hero phase
Player 2 hero phase 
Player 1 movement 
Player 1 charge
Player 1 combat 
Player 2 movement 
Player 2 charge 
Player 2 combat 
Battleshock

 

having said all of that. I think aos3 is in a good place and I wish fervently that we could just keep it for a 4 year cycle rather than 3 years 

I also don’t think we need an index reset in aos as the 3rd ed warscrolls are the best designer yet 

 

[The Rumour Thread]

The inclusion of the old treeman is odd but maybe it’s a good idea as it means they can create aesthetic differences between wood elves and sylvaneth. Wood elves maybe less anime and more gnarly 

[The Rumour Thread]

Khuresh would at least be interesting if they just designed 3 or 4 snakeman units as an Npc faction. But doubt gw want to spend the design time doing that. And the Bloodbowl model is the only snake man released for like 35 years 

[The Rumour Thread]

So the new cities terrain looks quite modular a bit like the new Gondor houses which have staircases etc. very excited to build a aos city of complete buildings 

[The Rumour Thread]

So when we got malign portents heralds of the 4 the Lord Ordinator, Knight of Shrouds and the Fungoid cave shaman all led to new armies and model waves within a year. Only the dark oath chief didn’t - although she may have been part of the early design work for warcry. 

we know FEC big release is coming and their herald ties to that. 

but this makes me wonder if Fyreslayers and Nurgle will be getting wave 2s in the vein of this upcoming orruk warclans one

[The Rumour Thread]

Id be very happy if they resculpted liberators and judicators in thunder strike armour. Stormcast don’t need more warscrolls but they could do with a facelift and diversity lift on their aos1 units 

[The "mortals redesign" Discussion]

If collegiate arcane is staying I assume that’s only the battlemage kit and the luminark.

 

battlemage on griffin surely is going 

[The Rumour Thread]

Seraphon are still at least 3 months out. I think there’s probably another 6 or so kits to be announced 

[The Rumour Thread]

My expectations at this point are 

seraphon - July ish 10 kits

cities Christmas/January 12 kits ish

fec - 4/5 kits 

then 4th Ed 

[The Rumour Thread]

There are 9 finecast  kits to replace for seraphon plus the fact that they’ve redone saurus and are introducing many new types of unit from new eggs like the skink knights. So I think temple Gaurd will stay as they hold up. But it’s clealry a big release? Maybe 10 kits ?

[The Rumour Thread]

I do think rumours have been basically pointless for a while we’ve known the main armies that would get love in 3rd since broken realms 

Kragnos- kruleboyz
Warsong rev - sylvaneth 
Gardus - stormcast 
Krulghast - nighthaunt 
Be’lakor - slaves 
Kroak - seraphon
Van denst - cities

[The Rumour Thread]

 

Rob Alderman is one hundred percent still the current product manager for the middle earth line and it makes sense that he juggles this alongside developing The Old World.

I’m curious that we know nothing of who they’ve entrusted with the rules or writing the background yet although assume it will be from the forgeworld stable of writers working on mesbg/bloodbowl/titanicus and necromunda. 
 

im very much looking forward to exploring some of the difference between Ulric/Taal/Manan/Sigmar worshippers and wonder if priests will be more of a focus for the Empire given that their won’t be any battle mages just the odd hedge mage.

I suspect the Old World will come out in 2024, depending on if it’s true that the second game this year alongside 40K 10th is Epic 

[The Rumour Thread]

That’s all I have at the moment but sure more will come as I think the books is now out with the reviewers 

[The Rumour Thread]

There’s a new command, use at start of combat, gives +1 attack to unit that’s not hero or monster that didn’t charge and you can’t pile in. Spell that can do d6 mortals on a 4+ to units on objectives

There’s an artifact to let you set a champ up on reserve. 

Traits
A trait that lets you use a command ability 3 times once per battle, 
another that makes a GC count as 10 on an objective where there’s no other GC. 
A once per battle teleport
And a resurrection stone. 3+ ignore last wound and heal d3.

6 new missions. 6 remain from current

Nidus paths
Battlelines drawn 
Prize of Gallet
Real stone cache
Presence of idols
(Can’t remember the 6th)

5+ ward for GC  (unclear if trait or artifact)

up to 3 units in the battalion and they can ignore the gally champ within 1” rule
Gally Vets is now a battalion.
2-4 units (unsure if they’re troop units as there’s that new symbol)
Carrying over the fight in two ranks rule to this battalion
(not up to 3 but exactly 3)

[The Rumour Thread]

Treelord -30
Drycha -15
Lady of vines -35
Warsong -5
Alarielle - 20
Durthu -20
TLA -30
Gossimids -10
Scythe hunters +10
Rev seekers +5
Spite revs -15
Gladewyrm -10
YIthari guardians -20

 

Dire wolves -5
Terrorgheist -5
Zombie dragon -5
Exiled dead -30
Kritza-5
Lady Anika -10
Lauka-25
Crimson court -20
Raduakr the beats -5
Radukar the wolf -10
Torgillius-10
Halgrim-10
Nagash -55
VLOZD -15
Fellbats -5
Night guard -5
Vargheists -15
Vargskyr -5
Vyrkos blood born-15

Cado +5
Gorslav +5
Necromancer +5
ManFred +20
Neferata +5
Vordrai +5
Blood knights +5
 

New Pitched battle points in next GHB

Scraplauncher -5
Gluttons -5
Mournfang -5
Hrothgorn -5

Ironblasters +30
Flosh +5
Slughtermaster +5
Butcher +5
Gnoblars +20
 

 

[The Rumour Thread]

Early point leaks from ghb are doing the rounds. Seems they’re getting rid of 5 point increments and moving back to 10s which is good. 
 

Nagash down 55 to 900

Ironblasters up 30 to 200

[The Rumour Thread]

Ok the Skaven banners being taken down is worrying. What if that was a early image before they had to release Nethermaze early. And the banners were hints to a now already released product …

[The Rumour Thread]

If that’s a battlebox half I find that credible - the vermin lord will be the old verminlord out in to increase the price of the kit - see also the recent 40k eldar vs chaos marines box which was all new kits except for the old plastic forgefiend

[The Rumour Thread]

Wonder how all this has leaked before sylvaneth . I’m assuming warham fest does still have some new sylvaneth models to show us 

[The Rumour Thread]

Is what I think I’ve seen so far on those leaks ?