Some rule questions..

[Grimku]

Learning the game (2 matches as of today) and a few interesting discussions came up:

 

1. Does Ghastly Apparition (mourngul aura) stack at all? Also, would it stack simply by controlling more than one? Say you have 1 mourngul in combat with a unit and 1 mourngul sitting back behind a tree..  would the unit get double hit penalties or just one? What about if both Mourngul were in combat with the unit?

The wording says "while within 6'' of a Mourngul"

2. Does the "rule of one" pertaining to generating extra attacks apply to Mourngul's "ravening onslaught" ability? It explicitly states in the wording "Further hit rolls of a 6+ also generate addition attacks."

3. Would having a -1 to hit stop a Mourngul from ever proccing the extra attacks ability since the highest he'd be able to roll would be a 5? Do dice rolling abilities apply pre-modification or post-modification? I've seen some answers on the forum for this question but they seem to be conflicting.

 

Thanks!

[Arkiham]

1 hour ago, Grimku said:

Learning the game (2 matches as of today) and a few interesting discussions came up:

 

1. Does Ghastly Apparition (mourngul aura) stack at all? Also, would it stack simply by controlling more than one? Say you have 1 mourngul in combat with a unit and 1 mourngul sitting back behind a tree..  would the unit get double hit penalties or just one? What about if both Mourngul were in combat with the unit?

The wording says "while within 6'' of a Mourngul"

2. Does the "rule of one" pertaining to generating extra attacks apply to Mourngul's "ravening onslaught" ability? It explicitly states in the wording "Further hit rolls of a 6+ also generate addition attacks."

3. Would having a -1 to hit stop a Mourngul from ever proccing the extra attacks ability since the highest he'd be able to roll would be a 5? Do dice rolling abilities apply pre-modification or post-modification? I've seen some answers on the forum for this question but they seem to be conflicting.

 

Thanks!

1. no as it says within a  morngul , if it said withing this model then yes it would stack. for example see bloodsecrator banner.

2. attacks which generate further attacks, cannot themselves generate further attacks. see faq regarding ripperdactuals  (I think )

3. depends, if your opponent has -1 to hit and you're attacking him, (with no benefits) then yes, the highest dice result is going to be a 5+, so you cannot proc the extra attacks. 

If you have +1 they cancel out. these buffs or debuffs stack, so 2 -1s to hit = -2 so would counter any +1 to hit and leave it at -1 still, etc etc 

Dice roll > rerolls > modifiers + or - > dice result 

[Grimku]

59 minutes ago, Arkiham said:

 no as it says within a  morngul , if it said withing this model then yes it would stack. for example see bloodsecrator banner.

Thanks for the response. The issue people were having with this example was that: If an enemy model is in range of A mourngul it would trigger ALL of them (2,3,4,etc.) no matter where they were. It doesn't say "while within 6'' of this model" so if ANY mourngul is within range ALL of their effect would "activate" and would reduce the affected unit'****** rolls.

 

Is there a page number in the handbook where this interaction would be described?

[Arkiham]

24 minutes ago, Grimku said:

Thanks for the response. The issue people were having with this example was that: If an enemy model is in range of A mourngul it would trigger ALL of them (2,3,4,etc.) no matter where they were. It doesn't say "while within 6'' of this model" so if ANY mourngul is within range ALL of their effect would "activate" and would reduce the affected unit'****** rolls.

 

Is there a page number in the handbook where this interaction would be described?

Can't find one atm, but if a unit is within range of a morngul, it suffers -1 to hit,

If the unit is within range of two Mourngul's the unit suffers -1 to hit.

The rule says units within range of a morngul suffer-1  , well they are within range of a morngul if they are within range of 2 or 3 or 4, the rule doesn't change. 

If it said this morngul then the modifier would stack. but it doesn't, so it doesn't.