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Also being a Fyreslayers player I can offer some insight. So beasts are actually a decent matchup here. Slayers are very slow use that. While the hearthguard can get 2+ rerolling saves and a 4 up after against others it doesnt work against us. The herdstone rend is great, take some bulls for rend 2 or just lots of rend 1 attacks, get the spell to up the rend some more and you can negate their save buffs or if they failed a prayer then even reduce them. If possible you want to go first and get on some objectives so that they cant tunnel onto them. The hearthguard buffed up are dumb. If you cant debuff them then just either stay far away of feed just enough to keep them stuck in place. Battlesmiths and priests are important targets. If they dont have auric hearthguard then your job became a lot easier. If they do then good luck as we dont have the best ranged. Use your crazy speed to the best effect and you should be able to do well. If they run hermdar dont anticipate any battleshock. If they go vostarg they can move 12 and charge turn one so be ready. If they go greyfyrd they can have a formidable block of heros but they are slow and easy to avoid since they wont have much else. I doubt they are going lofnir but if they do then they will have lots of magmadroths and mortal wounds or lots of shooting but either should be able to be handled with our rend buffs and speed.
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Ya but I have just been playing this list with previously less stuff since AOS came out so I just know how to play it. It is strange this is the only army I have played with any consistency. I normally run a different list every time.
Occasionally I will run them in Khorne since they are painted like the Bloodschorched Bulltribe from the Godbeasts book. They are good under Khorne. The most useful blood tithe is normally the one where you attack in the hero phase to finish something off.
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2 hours ago, Popisdead said:
I guess I assumed automatically you used Dark WAlkers as it pairs well with Minotaurs and KHorne. What is your full list then? Just trying to read how it works.
It is pretty simple.
1 doombull
3 units of 6 great axe bullgors
2 Ghorgons
2 Cygors
2 Chaos Spawn
You get an extra command point and more importantly hopefully have less points than your opponent and get the reroll to hit triumph. For using it it depends on who you go against. Most stormcast lists you can just run straight at. Things like flesh eaters and ironjawz you have to be more clever. Yes ironjawz. They reroll to hit and have enough attacks to make it hurt. Ive only gone against daughters a few times but they were fairly straightforward. All depends on who you are going against and their skill level as well.
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3 hours ago, Popisdead said:
I love Brass Despoilers Minotuars. Very swingy, with dice spiking like crazy but when it hits, units are removed.
What are you doing with your Cygors? I'm such a fan of Ghorgons I struggle to not try to max them out.
For the most part hunting enemy wizards and dispelling their buffs. With 2 Cygors and the Gavespawn trait I get 5 unbinds.
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The seraphon models will easily convert for trukks or squiggoths I think. As for boyz you already have it essentially. Double choppa for slugga choppa and arrer for shoota. I would say get up to 90 boyz. That gives you flexibility for going horde or mechanized. Sadly there isnt really anything in the range big enough for the gargantuan squiggoth though. I am making my feral army more feral and just using the boyz for both. For bikers the boars work great you just need to add some random guns to them, ammo, etc. You also may want to pick up some grots but you are right the wurrgog is great for a weirdboy and you could make a wardokk work for a painboy. Savage Big boss also works for your warboss. For things like nob bikers or a boss on a bike I would look at goregruntas to convert it.
3 hours ago, Fulkes said:I'm trying to work out how to turn a Bastilladon into a Trunk too. Probably use the one with the snakes and build a howda on it.
Yes that is pretty much what you have to do. I have just been using squiggoth models for squiggoth but I may use some bastilodons as trukks now too.
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What are your opinions on these lists? I am just getting into the faction and thought that the magic would be a fun addition since my other armies do not use it.
Wurrgogg Prophet with squirmy warpaint, morks boney bitz, and squiggly curse
Wardokk with big wurrgogg mask and brutal beast spirits
Wardokk with Beastcallers bones, and bone krusha
Wardokk with mystic war paint and Gorkamorkas warcry
2 units of 10 morboyz
1 unit of 20 morboyz
2 units of 6 big stabbas
Kop Rukk, Teef Rukk, and Drakkfoot WarclanWurrgogg Prophet with squirmy warpaint, morks boney bitz, and squiggly curse
Wardokk with big wurrgogg mask and brutal beast spirits
Wardokk with Beastcallers bones, and bone krusha
Wardokk with Gorkamorkas warcry
2 Weirdnob Shamans from Ironjawz
3 units of 30 morboyz
Umbral Spellportal
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Since you can still move after that is pretty awesome.
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28 minutes ago, sal4m4nd3r said:
You could get extra attacks from Glott. GUO requires the demon keyword. I agree on all fronts. Perhaps I will try it out.
I worded that poorly. The great unclean one is there for the bell to give extra movement. Stack that with a shaman and the extra 2 from the cycle and you are looking at movement 14 base for your bestigors.
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With nurgle you can also get extra attacks from the glottkin I think and a great unclean one plus the first in the cycle can get you going very fast and then charging turn 1 if you want. I think nurgle could definitely be useful. Plus any screen or small units like chariots or razorgors can just torpedo in and deal MW when they die.
I will say anything that can't already run and charge will benefit a bit more due to the trees but bestigor would gain enough benefit I think.
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Sorry it double posted.
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13 minutes ago, Maddpainting said:
The problem is there are obvious imbalances, look at Disks vs Bulls, same points. Bulls are slower, no fly, more damage but less attacks, over all Disks will do equal to more damage if given equal hero support. Why are bulls not cheaper? If Bulls hit on 3+ and had 4+ save then yeah i could see the price being fine, but 2 attacks hitting on 4+? and being low armor save... yeah no.
You are correct the book isnt perfect, but we are not pointing out minor things, these are just blanket imbalances. I understand that a Chariot might be hard to balance or Cockatrice due to if they are too cheap they will be spammed (like the Razorgor 17-21 unit lists) but Gors, Bulls, Dragon ogres, Ghorgons are all clearly balanced incorrectly.I know exactly what bulls can do. Ya they are slower than enlightened and with hero support equal damage. If the enlightened are also able to do the clip charge or have a screen they can do more assuming it isnt a stupid high save. The bulls dont need the support though. It isnt as reliant on other things. I run an all warherd list with 2 cygor, 2 ghorgon, 18 bulls, and a doombull. Is it optimal? No. Can it compete and give good games even against the top tier stuff hell yes. Not only that but it is relatively simple to do so.
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There are some issues but while gavespawn is in general easier to use well darkwalkers and allherd could be used well it just needs to be done more carefully. I would agree they are not as good but they have some merits. The book isnt perfect. It is definitely good though. Sometimes you just have to say I don't care what the internet says I am going to make this work. If you put your mind to it then with this book at least it likely will. Just remember the internet always over exaggerates everything. Also they are not always experts on what they are saying. Mathhammer is fine and has its place but it doesn't tell you everything. Also I am glad it isn't a game breaking level. It is strong but not ridiculous. It is right where the books should be. Could the monsters use some help yes but so could every nonhero monster and some that are heroes.
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Eeven if you have a competitive environment you can still get good games in with just about any of the units in the book. Some require a lot more work to figure out how but you definitely can. If your only enjoyment comes from winning then it isnt for you. If you are just there to get good games and win close to 50% of your games then you can just about make anything work. Maybe not against the top lists played by a good player but anything short of that and you can.
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35 minutes ago, Fulkes said:
It comes and goes but I know we recently got 2 Fyreslayer players, and there's some folks jumping on Moonclan and Sylvaneth thanks to the box set. The store owner has a pretty sizable Nurgle force too now that I think about it.
I think beasts are going to be one of the better matchups vs fyreslayers. There are so many ways to reduce their saves compared to other armies. As a fyreslayer player as well it has definitely made a difference with even just the extra modification due to the herdstone.
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You can definitely do fine with other builds. I do well with a pure warherd build. I dont beat the most competitive people here but they play as competitively as they can for the big event. I definitely get some good games against even those though. I do run gavespawn but that is just for the artifact and the command ability. I could definitely win more if I took a unit or two of the brayherd for a screen and such but it breaks theme. If you are not in the highest competitive bracket you can make a lot of different builds work with practice.
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18 minutes ago, mmimzie said:
Gyrph hounds can
Clan rats are better than stormvermin in almost every way. Take 3 units of 20 atleast.
Vermin tide is a better movenent blocker than the shards, by alot.
I'd take a grey seer over the bombadier if you have the pts. You dont need another warlock in that list IMO.
Oops I did have a grey seer just forgot to put it in the post above. I forgot gryph hounds were even a unit and I own some. Are the clan rats any good for finishing people off or as just chaff? They would definitely delay longer. Changing to clan rats also just allows the vermintide in addition.
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Actually against trolls ironjawz would be useful. With how many wounds everything is brutes actually put in a lot of work. I have a feeling they would do well against trolls. That being said I have had some good games vs nighthaunts.
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Hello everyone. I have a friend who is just getting into the game and from what he wants to do skaven sounded like the best bet.
He was specifically looking for "I want my turn to basically be volley of arrows, charge in to finish the unit off, retreat if I don't kill them, have one big guy to get anyone that break through"
I do realize nobody can retreat after fighting but otherwise what would you all reccomend for building towards a 2000 point list?
The best I could come up with not knowing much about the skaven was
Arch warlock
Warlock bombadier
Grey seer
3x10 stormvermin
6x Jezzails
Warp Lightning Cannon
Plague claw catapult
Hellpit abomination
Doomwheel
Shards of valagharr
Soulsnare shackles
Warp Lightning Vortex
The reasoning on the spells is since I will be the main opponent he will need to slow some of my armies down to get his shooting in.
I am looking for feedback on what may fit better for the playstyle he is looking for and has some decent competitiveness so that I can run some different stuff against it.
I should note I play Fyreslayers, Warherd, Beastclaw, Gloomspite focusing squigs and trolls, and am starting Bonesplitterz.
If you could also give some ideas for different game sizes such as 500, 1000, 1500 in addition to 2000 so that I can help him build it up it would be appreciated.
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I use the aurics as battleline in my lofnir list. They and the sons have monster hunting duty. 3 javelins can put in work. Last time the took out a bloodthirster in one turn with just the javelins.
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Those both also look awesome. What I am reading is I need 2 more dankholds.
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It certain looks fun. I just have gargants cause they look cool so I wanted to make some lists to see how many would fit.
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Hello all. I recently got some trolls built and was able to make a strange list that I think may do ok.
Dankhold Trogboss as general
Madcap shaman with cogs
2 Dankhold Troggoths
3 units of 3 Rockgut Troggoths
4 Aleguzzler Gargants.
I know the gargants aren't technically trolls but I think they fit in anyway. While they arent the most reliable they can do some crazy stuff and I have 5 that dont get used enough.
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For lofnir I have been running a father, smiter and 3 sons on magmadroths. Then a runemaster as general and 3 units of 5 aurics for battleline. After that it is the wall and infernoth. I havent had the time to get more than a few games in but it has definitely been fun. It did well in the first and not as well in the second but I could have done things a lot better.
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Khorne is very good. Nurgle can be pretty decent as well since you can get run and charge and a higher base movement. For pure BoC I like Gavespawn for the extra attacks and stay down a few points for that triumph. Pop all command points on extra attacks on one turn and use the triumph. The target usually dies. Also a Doombull at damage 5 and near the herdstone may as well be dishing out mortal wounds a lot of the time. I would not take a unit of 12 unless it was a crazy large game. It is just too unwieldy. They might drop a few points. If they were to get buffed the +1 to hit would be great. I doubt they would get the extra attack as well without jumping way up in points. Their damage is already pretty high as long as you hit. It is the making them hit that is the tough part. That 4+ makes it very swingy.
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I like to take 2 Doomseekers with 3 Grimwraths in Greyfyrd. In the block of heros they are less likely to die after taking damage so they can put out a lot after that.