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31 minutes ago, robinlvalentine said:

I think the point is that, for the Stormcast, there isn't so clear a distinction between a wizard, a priest, a tribal shaman, whatever. The lore for the Sacrosanct says they're drawn from all manner of magical adepts, arcane and divine. And they're the soldiers of a god, invested with his power, so in their new lives they're priests and wizards in one.

Visually, IMO the Sacrosanct are designed to evoke both traditional wizard tropes and traditional priest tropes, with their robes, holy symbols, staves, etc. Which in a way harks back to the real world mythology of wise men, shamans, etc, where the role of wizard and priest have been seen as one and the same more often than not (IMO we only see the two as so separate these days because of D&D)

I understand and agree with what you say 100%. The Sacrosanct Chamber is indeed visually closer to priest-warriors. But the keywords always mess with my head 😅

And you are correct, sometimes we caught ourselves biased by our own vanilla definitions of MAGIC and PRAYERS, no matter its origin. I believe the Relictor and the Veritant were created while there wasn't a clear idea of these distinctions and roles that are now being defined as the Lore grows. Sacrosanct is here to stay and I'm enjoying every bit of the new stories, I'm sure that the original priests will  eventually find their place in the lore and table. We must always remember that we talk about Chambers a lot, but we never talk about the Temples (Relictor, Valedictor, Judicator, Heraldor). I feel excited that there are many aspects of the SCE army that can still be explored.

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2 hours ago, robinlvalentine said:

Visually, it's supposed to evoke Catholic rosary beads - to drill home the idea that Sequitors are like priests/clerics. As he's raising his mace with the other hand, I think he's supposed to be doing a kind of war cry/prayer to spur on his squad 

I do understand the idea of this character doing a war cry/prayer, like the Paladin Prime before him, but I'm not sure if they are priest/clerics, at least not to me.

The Relictor is still my favorite character (both in game or books) and I still have this weird feeling that the Sacrosanct Chamber are made of Wizards doing what was supposed to be in a Lord-Relictor's job description. When I first read about the unopened chambers I was sure the Sacrosanct was a priest Chamber. But when the Soul Wars lore came out it was confusing to read about wizards doing what I've always thought was a priest job. I mean, Relictors had always this closeness to necromancers, Nagash, Shyish and Death stuff in all previous books. Ionus Cryptborn and Boreas Undying are great examples of that.

It is written in their Warscroll that "their weapons and armour are replete with icons of Death, for these fell guardians keep the warrior souls of the Stormcast Eternals from the gloom of the underworld". Also it is described that "it is the task of a Lord-Relictor to keep the souls of his chamber’s brethren firmly tethered to Sigmar and the Celestial Realm. With frequent binding rituals and lightning-wreathed blessings, Lord-Relictors ensure that should a Stormcast Eternal fall in battle, his spirit will heed only the call of Sigmar, ascending as a scintillating bolt back to the Heavens. The role of spirit-warden is but part of a Lord-Relictor’s duties."

I'm not even including the Veritant, a priest who unbinds and which is now is really dead and gone more than ever. They should reinvent him with a new profile. The "White Reaper" is one of the most amazing characters with just a few lines of story during the Solstice. He reminds me of an Medieval Inquisitor and GW should totally go for it.

I'm not looking for an explanation, it's just something I wonder every now and then. I just have doubts about what actually is a SCE wizard and a priest and I understand where are you coming from when I read your post. Maybe Relictors are there to point the souls to Azyr during battle and that's about it. All the rest is a Wizard's job and now that they are in the battlefield too it's confusing. To me. And I've always wondered why the Lord-Exorcist doesn't have the Priest keyword. He is the only one in Sacrosanct Chamber that could actually be a priest considering what he does.

Anyway, Sacrosancts are awesome no matter what they are/do and this miniature is amazing. Also, I'm really hoping for the release of a Relictor Chamber/Temple. (Please Sigmar, hear my prayers!)

😉

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4 hours ago, JackStreicher said:

Where‘s that head from?

Neave Blacktalon

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4 hours ago, Richelieu said:

I needed another greatmace Sequitor and really liked the pose of the ETB kit prime.  I clipped off the shield, replaced it with an unused Tempestor sword and glued some extensions onto the mace.

Nice conversion! I'm going the in the same way, but trying to give an Astral Templar look.

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57 minutes ago, Urauloth said:

How on earth did you all decide on your stormhost? I thought I was settled on my decision until I actually got the battletome, but now I'm really torn because I like the lore, colour schemes and modelling potential for about 4 of them and it's also hard to shake the idea of cooking up one a late-striking host from wholecloth. This is so much harder than I thought it would be!

Anyway, I'm completely new to SCE, so I have a couple of noob questions if you don't mind. One of those is Judicators; Starting with Soul Wars etc, I already have Castigators, should I look into Judicators as well? I like the models and the longer range of their bows looks like it might be useful, but I've no idea how they're currently considered or how the two stack up. Olso on the subject of shooting, I know people were worried about longstrike Raptors being ruined by LOS! when it was first revealed, but since they deal MWs on unmodified 6s now, are they back on top of the sniping game? They look like a good investment, but I'm coming to the army from a place of never having used anything that shoots (Bloodbound, Deathrattle, Flesh-Eaters) so I might just be overawed at the idea of doing anything in the shooting phase at all.

I'm going full ASTRAL TEMPLARS. I've been painting with their colors since last year and I love their stories in the books. I think the stormhost released fits the way they are portrayed in the stories. Bear in mind I'm not a competitive player AT ALL so I'm going to put every crazy idea on the table, specially because there's a lot of monsters and monster/heroes running around here in my area. 

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20 minutes ago, mystycalchemy said:

What abilities are you talking about? The two stormhosts we've seen have 4 abilities technically. The passive, Command Trait, Command Ability, and Artefact.

Check the Guerrilla review video. They cover all stormhosts. Celestial Warbringers are the "wizard stormhost", Hammers have a very cool trait and my Templars continue to be the Monster and Hero hunters as before. Loving it so much. Can't remember the rest, I'll check it after work.

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On 6/26/2018 at 10:20 AM, DanielFM said:

And I hope you are wrong.

How many players have painted their army as Astral Templars, Tempest Lords, Knights Excelsior or Celestial Warbringers? They deserve to have rules as much as the other 4.

Definitely looking forward for the Astral Templars rules. I think we will sure have them as there are 2 big characters on the current and upcoming books (Hamilcar and Zephacleas).