Baron Klatz
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That'd be excellent! Gargant sieges too but at least the campaign book promised sieges already.
I'm torn on Excelsis because it is one of my favorite cities with a great set-up while the Excelsiors are great hatesinks that get the job done.
It getting destroyed would stink but at the same time it'd make a more fluid element to the setting that shows nothing's plot-armored safe which i'd like too and fits with the progressive plots GW is slowly changing to.
I think the best call would be a global campaign for the cities of Ghur. Seeds of Destruction. See if they can survive or be destroyed and a new Ghur map released to reflect the setting change. (and ideally the destroyed city inhabitants relocate elsewhere for a future "win back our lands" plot)
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Just now, Icegoat said:
Another problem that is a foundation of the setting though. It's so big nothing really matters. A city of millions killed there, a billion chaos warriors destroyed over here, what does it matter in the epic scale of the mortal realms? Very little.
It never matters in any Warhammer lore, it especially stood out with the World-that-was because it was so small but because Status Quo nothing had impact.
Empire loses 80% of it's population to the Black Plague? Immediately repopulate without losing land. Bretonnia lose 10,000 nobles in a battle that should cause rulership turmoil in the country? Glossed over. High Elves besieged for 500 years despite being a dying elder race? Just a scratch.
It's never been about repercussions but just advertising and hyping up "your army". At least with 40k and AoS they can justify it better while also still adding actual threats like 40k losing valuable defenses that could doom Terra or the insane god magic of AoS that saw Tzeentch nearly absorb Chamon into the realm of chaos or when Nagash nearly rewrote the entire setting with Malign portents.
Just now, Beastmaster said:Maybe we have to face the fact that the AoS fluff works as a background for a miniature game, but not so well for relatable book stories (or RPGs, for that matter)?
I think it just comes down to tastes. I'll agree with Hallow that there's a lot left unexplored because the writers are confined by the advertising but as novels to just enjoy exploring the setting and army battles they're still pretty good.
Also Shadows over Hammerhal proved Age of Sigmar can make amazing rpg's. There's so much to explore with the interactions of mortals and gods with their growing influences and survival in eldritch lands.
The Exalted rpg does just that and I'm very excited to see what Cubicle7 can do with it.
Just now, xking said:I find stormcast to be relatable, especially the hallowed knights.
Ditto. They're no different than when people relate to chaos warriors or a Grail knight as super powerful paladins but still vulnerable.
Most gripping is the reforging curse that afflicts them so and how they end up coping with it like the hollows out of dark souls. In "Lightning Golem" one's lost humanity leads him to become more mission driven and detached from his wife while in "Sacrosanct" the Incantor kept his great personality and kindness but sacrificed his memories to the point he became a seperate person compared to his former life.
Throw in how they've shown fear, concern, paranoia, humor and bravado and the Stormcast read just like large pious human knights.
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Also read "Red Hour", "Acts of Sacrifice" and "Path to Glory" for humans vs horrifying odds. Also the audio drama and continuation of Eight Lamentations "War Claw" is a good listen. Surprisingly gets dark (I guess the writer wanted to address how spear of shadow was too light on bloodshed).
I'll echo what's been said about Realmgate Wars, not their strongest work yet pretty entertaining while helping to flesh out the realms and helped the writers get a stronger footing for the setting.
I find people who had problems with it and wrote the novels off I only had to convince to read the recent works from 2017 forward to bring them around on the writing and setting as a whole.
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It's out now, "Profit's Ruin" is up on the BL site.
"Volturung Road"(get the "Sacrosanct and other stories" omnibus), "Sea Taketh" and the "Spear of Shadows" are good duardin reads too.
That's a lot of reasons why I don't think AoS is the issue. The big variety of content and average to above average writing brings in a pretty good crowd of people diving into the setting.
Most of the times I interest someone on reddit into AoS I have a whole slew of novels to point them towards for their interests to which they're pretty positive on the book in question.
Edit: oh there's also "When Cornered" which has an interesting duardin related premise.
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THE STORY
For many long months has Neave Blacktalon, greatest of Sigmar's Knights-Azyros, tracked her prey across the Mortal Realms. At last, the sorcerer Xerkanos has been run to ground… yet he has not fallen beneath Blacktalon's twin blades. Captured by a duardin clan whose king he killed, Xerkanos is being transported for trial. But Blacktalon would have her prize – and any conflict between her and the duardin may be moot as dark forces plot to free the sorcerer before the blade can fall…"-
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I remember Josh saying last year that their book sells were never great but it's surprising to hear they're doing bad now.
They've been doing so many bundles, cycling older stuff back in(I was happy to see "Hammerhal and other stories" come back after two years gone), diverse stories & audios with free samples and while they could do better advertising it's still big announcements on their community sites and facebook.
It feels to me like they're doing everything right(especially writing, AoS 2017-2019 has been amazing reads). All I can think is that the model sales boom is affecting it. I know when I do my orders I always prioritize what I can afford in models over books despite how much I adore the AoS lore & stories.
Edit: Yeah I'm gonna hope on the "40k needs to do better" train. I recall on a big discussion on new Primaris in reddit that the AoS fans rallied behind the fact that they play and read AoS because it's not an endless power armor parade.
I could believe the Imperium focus is a hindrance when they've gotten Necromunda and Black Fortress making other races and factions rise in interest. (Plus I wouldn't be surprised that the Star Wars turmoils are making sci-fi readers question nostalgia pandering)
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They wouldn't have to change anything. That was near 500 years ago and in a very tumultuous age where afterwards gods returned, civilizations arose and new races appeared.
The have limitless elbow room to write that after her passing she and her order were Light worshippers in Ulgu who sought the Tower's wish to bring light to their realm but were martyr'd by Malerion and that inspired Teclis for his new race or virtually anything along those lines.
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Just now, Turin Turambar said:
"the Mistweaver Saih is a sinister figure hailing from the Realm of Shadow."-https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NL/mistweaver-saih
I don't see how there can be people on the fence
Easy, we weren't smart enough to look at her description while debating her armor having symbols to the light gods.
Thanks for that.
Just now, PaniuBraniu said:
Thanks, I never accounted for card art giving possible hints. That does look identical.
Just now, Myrdin said:So Iron bones or Jawz Splitters eh ?
Those would make good Ironjawz clans in Chamon and Shyish.
Ironbonez having literally just that and Jawsplitterz being obsessed with collecting deathrattle jaws to listen to their secrets the same way Ironjawz honor the spirits of their rivals heads and talk to them.
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Yeah, Teclis has always been a bit twisted. (Could be the Khaine curse or just how all high-ranking spellcasters seemed to be dangerously arrogant, probably a mix)
I think that plus the souls from Slaanesh is gonna be an irony for a race he considers perfect. A reflection of himself that he refuses to see the flaws with.
Just now, PaniuBraniu said:The mace belongs to one of the Bastgrave orcs.
There's no orruks yet in Beastgrave. Did you mean the Brayherd? I can't see it there either.
Are you just guessing for a future warband? I'll agree Bonesplitterz would be nice but that design doesn't really suit them.
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Can't add much but with how popular Meeting Engagements is you can find a lot of curious players on reddit and facebook to gauge their questions/problems they ran into.
And of course TGA is full of rule clarifications on it you can look around for.
Hope that helps, best of luck!
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Just now, sandlemad said:
That said the idea that that mace is being wielded by an elf is absolutely wild to me, even if there's design similarities elsewhere, but it wasn't the ogres and it wasn't the Spire Tyrants...
Could be a sign of a twisted side in them that they let out through brutality.
People are on the fence if the Silver Tower mistweaver is Ulgu or Hysh since her armor has Teclis and Tyrion symbols but if she is then she uses some mighty twisted magic that drives enemy's so mad they claw their own faces off.
Teclis' perfect angelic race could have flaws they can't keep hidden. (Might be a Greek theme right there of corrupt divinity)
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Just now, Morglum Ironhide said:
At the same time, does Order really need another Aelf book with a different colour scheme?
It will be interesting to see what they do about the aelf bloat. i'm thinking they're going to finally cull the remaining aelf races like Scourge privateers and Wanderers before they drop those new armies.
That's why I see Cities of Sigmar as a preemptive legacy compendium. Eventually everything there is gonna be replaced by Realmguilds, Kurnothi and Shadowkin.
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Now that's admirable levels of favorite army immersion.
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Plus Destruction is good for God-beast inclusion since both Gorkamorka and them like to smash civilizations for their personal gain/pleasure.
Just now, Aelfric said:Is it possible that the rumour shield is bing carried by a giant Orruk - after all Orruks just keep getting larger and there doesn't seem to be a limit to it. Gordrakk would prefer to use gigantic Orruks rather than Gargants.
An all new race of Megajawz would be insanely awesome.
The modeling potential alone of a giant race of spore grown warriors would be crazy, Aqshy megajawz with volcanoes on their backs and Hysh ones with obelisks of shining crystals that coat it's spine. Glorious.
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Haha, please be the last one to go with that sail!
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Could go either way. Like back in the Realmgate Wars there was Ogors the Stormcast fought that used gigantic shields for their own shieldwall. These would be around that size but Gargants are also possible because this fits them too along with the "giant hammer" rumour engine.
Just now, Vasshpit said:Didnt Gargant lore get retconned and they were the original inhabitants of azyr along with dragon--ogors?
Now with big pappa Gordrakk planning to siege Azyr I'm sure the gargants want a piece as well.
Nah, if that's mentioned then it's a reference to their original 2015 warscrolls which had a mention that scholars believed they came from another world, so coming from Azyr which has the star and planet systems just reinforces that original lore.
Gargants just come from multiple realms same as the other races did. So far we have Behemat's sons in Ghyran, the Steppe Titans of Aqshy which were magic-using sky titans that worked for the Khanate and warded it from Khorne and the other world(Azyr) gargants.
If we do get an Gargant faction i'm hopeful it'll expand on all these subfactions and more.
Lore for the lore throne!
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Fans like to get hyped. Happens all the time. (See the game awards from the end of last year for an example
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Just now, Gothmaug said:Has there been any hint that we’re getting a gargant army, as opposed to a single gargant mercenary model or something? I know the community page alluded to something “big” coming in the near future, but an entire gargant army seems out of place. Especially in the current meta where hordes, board control, and action economy play such an important role.
That does lend support that they could be Warcry or even Beastgrave(remember that awesome White Dwarf scenario last year of a chaos gargant rampaging through Shadespire?)
But it's possible they just have powerful abilities to make them anti-horde and do weird stuff like place scenery down on objectives (huge Behemet obilisks) so they don't have to hold them. GW likes to push the big elite armies for Destruction m like Troggoths, Beastclaws and Ironjawz so it's not out of the blue.
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Whoops, my mistake then.
Just now, tom0tom said:please GW, would it be possible to have all the rules, FAQ, points and (let’s dream) faction warscrolls in ONE place?… I am prepared to pay a subscription fee to have it all in an app, or to pay a reasonable amount on demand for each update. Right now I am not psychologically prepared to pay for a book sold with other stuff that I am not interest in (Forbidden Power…) just to get a couple of pages I would need, and which will anyway be obsolete in a couple of months. With an app and a subscription I would probably spend (even J) more, GW would be happy and life would be much simpler!
Isn't that the purpose of the Azyr army builder in the AoS app?
As for the other two points I would say to the first try some narrative and open play games if things stay too one-sided. Lots of different battleplans and scenarios can shift fights around compared to head-on battles.
And on the second point you should reply on their Facebook if you want GW's attention. If you want them to make changes it's definitely important to be on their when they holding faq and gameplay inquiries for community input.
That aside, welcome to the hobby and hope you and your sons continue to have fun!
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It makes sense at least, all their holds in the realms got taken over by the endless daemon floods and they got kicked out into the realm of heavens for 500 years and their relics have been up for grabs as monsters & daemons infested all their homes making them dispossessed.
Just now, JPjr said:oh and the flame one is from the Scions of Flame Warcry warband
Exactly what I was thinking.
Also isn't the scaley tail from the new Slaves to Darkness leader?
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Yeah, Destruction would benefit from God-beasts arising from the realms they were banished from and following Gorkamorka's banner to crush civilization.
Ones from Ulgu to make entirely new shadow creatures would amazing.
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Waaaaghmen to that.
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I'd go vice-versa since he IS the giant dark menacing thing in the shadows.
Devil Grots, worshippers of Malerion's twisted form and Ulgu's mist caused them to warp into imps and become deformed with horns and bat wings. Using shadow magic to cover their flying bloodthirsty swarms as they fall upon their foes snd unleash mist shrouded horrors they tamed.
New Destruction faction as they view Malerion as an aspect of Gorkamorka's ominous shadow falling upon the lands to bless their hunts.
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Just now, Whitefang said:
“Mist” is a more ulguish aesthetic though, not hyshian. There is always descriptions of how dangerous the miasma in Ulgu can be, like armies simply disappear in it.
Hysh is described as a realm of perfection and insight, things there meant to be clean and luminousYeah, that mist weaver was possibly some neutral party(maybe like a dark mercenarial faction that worship Teclis) or Ulgu shadowkin (Twilightkin?) because in the Silver Tower novel her magic was horrifying like making one cultist go insane and tear his own face off in terror.
There could be a twist as she had possible Teclis & Tyrion symbols but there was nothing light-worthy of her madness-inducing magic (on Tzeentchites no less!).
That said, the new Hysh Aelves are out of Slaanesh's gut and inherently corrupted like the others. Having a "light casting shadows" aesthetic to have mistweavers cast the madness afflicting the "shining perfect race" army could be how they cope. The darkness hidden by the light.
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Huh, subfaction vs subfaction. That's actually clever. It further expands the lore on the smaller elements of the factions and gives some nice starting small forces to two players or combine them for a large army.
I add that to my want list!
Additionally on the lore end they could go Thunderbellies for the Beastclaw side. Fits with the Chamon focus and Ogor nomads tribes living on floating lightning islands that use alchemy is just too awesome.
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Not a problem, here's hoping you and yours the best in your future battles and adventures in the Mortal Realms!
GW's Black Library Sales are slumping slightly. (A discussion)
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
Posted · Edited by Baron Klatz
Oh right, the moon of dark secrets.
Doesn't that tie-in to why the Loonking targets magic-users/seers/prophets for his asylum because as mushrooms they can whisper/babble to him of the da bad moon's location?
Edit: okay, wow I forgot. That's not on AoS, WE DID THAT!
"This week in the campaign, your actions have attracted Lunaghast to the Mortal Realms, a colossal moon formed of Dark Matter from the Aetheric Void in which the eight realms hang. Thirsty for secrets and hidden truths, the moon has been lured to your kingdoms by the slaughter of your prophets and seers. Across the lands, the peoples of the Realms are attempting to appease it by screaming their darkest secrets and most closely guarded knowledge from the highest peaks."
Love how the article points out that was messed up. Leave it to players to choose a witch hunt, geeze. 😧
Seconded. I really enjoyed that book and the Celestant-prime short story after it.
I personally want one for Sureheart as I like his model and his background of being a former chaos slave named "Grub" could be interesting to see through his eyes how he went from a hopeless slave to a noble crusader.