[Warhammer - The Old World]

2 hours ago, Hollow said:

Somebody will make a post on a forum speculating that they think something is the case

Tbf, even if it wasn’t an official GW statement it was still said by Australian retailers that was the case.

Usual GW products they got delivered were about 20 to 40 sets. Dominion blew them away at 60 to 100 sets per shop.(while interestingly the Ork beastsmasher boxes at the time were just 1 per shop to up Fomo?)

But it seems fair because GW reported Dominion was their best selling fantasy product to date beating out every other starter and they still had to have discount sales to offload them all. Even now on Amazon by their data they sell around 100 per month since then  and are nowhere near the “only a few remaining left!” Sticker on the products.

It all adds up to wanting to avoid the Indomitus fiasco but someone went overboard. (Which I don’t see a downside to. The Dominion box is amazing and honestly worth grabbing multiple copies of with how great the forces & terrain in it look. Very happy new player even now use it as a entry into the hobby)

 

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1 hour ago, Copywolf said:

One interesting thing about the River spirits, in the old lore article, river aelementors are noted as more common (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/26/how-well-do-you-know-the-spirits-of-hysh/).  Instead of one large spirit, is it possible we could see packs of water spirits?

Now that also could just be reading into it more as well.

 

Edit: Perhaps the lumineth warband actually contains smaller aelementors?

That would be a good way to separate Temples.

Mountain & Wind are more quality where-as River is a quantity temple manifesting lots of lesser aelementors in a tactic to wear down mightier opponents the same way small but constant water wears away rock to form streams & rivers.

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58 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said:

maybe the pachyderms are the cavalry for River Temple while the dragon is the actual spirit?

Seem too big since the undead can use them  like Trojan horses and fit large forces inside them.

 

My theory is the pachyderm sages will be smaller “mountain spirits” that are fleshy tanks that the swifter River temple warriors & water spirits fight around.

Makes them half-way between the toughness of Alarith but also almost the speed of Hurakan but not as good as either, giving them versatility to flow around their problems. 🌊 

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1 hour ago, Ejecutor said:

Whitefang hinted time ago that new Darkoaths are coming.

Yeah, I imagine they’ll coincide with the Lady of Ruin. Big impressive Varanguard leader + Darkoath unit

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Okay I’m glad I’m not the only one have multi-posting issues today. 😂

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double post: ignore.

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10 minutes ago, Sarges said:

Even if it's not, I'd still argue that this boot is better made and much more elegant compared to the Darkoath ones.

Tbf, the Gnarlspirits Darkoaths have some pretty decent boots from being closer to civilizations than those in the Eight-Points. Could be a similar case.

 

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5 minutes ago, Sarges said:

Chaos uses stirrups on their mounts while Sylvaneth and Wood Elves avoid them to maintain this "close to nature" theme (this RE looks more like a rider to me):

I mean good shout but I don’t know if that’s a riding pose. First thought was just slightly upraised leg with the scenery cropped out.

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I’m going with Darkoath because they have quite a bit of variety with those fur boots and it feels rather stubby to me.

 

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11 hours ago, DinoJon said:

Could it be a named Stormcast that we haven't seen before? Is there any in the lore that could have a simple sword like a Vigilor? 

I brought this up elsewhere but a small plot point of Luxa Stormrider’s sister has yet to be seen and they keep pushing that warband hard into multiple games(literally each now UW, Warcry & a mini-warhammer quest) with their own Harrowdeep novel.

 

She might’ve been reforged as a new Knight-Questor Vigilor/Soulsworn they can put in the campaign finales.

Also on UnderWorlds cards, did you guys know there was a whole void-cursed cosmic zombie plague outbreak brought down by the malfunctioning Realmshaper engine in one of the recent decks? Crazy stuff.

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1 hour ago, Sarges said:

This info from a while ago is confirmed by now so it should be Soulblight:

Makes sense. We got a 2 vampire warbands & 2 Deathrattle warbands.

We got enough bats and skeles.

Time for more Gravelord Zombie commanders to take the dug up field.

Deadwalkers rise! 🧟‍♂️ 

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Or leaping over some base scenery holding them up while they pull a dynamic arrow shot. 😄

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Yeah I’m guessing those will go with the branch-like thing to be Kurnothi antlers sprouting from their heads.

(Having them be a touch more plant-like would help with the Sylvaneth theming and those Lamentiri seeds on their stomachs affecting them)

So safe to say Kurnothi vs Death warbands?

On Death had a thought that maybe the “NightHaunt” is just a spirit leaking out of the Ossiarch construct or an imprisoned alchemist ghost to give more that vibe they’re walking bone mechs the empowered souls inhabit/imprisoned in?

 

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12 minutes ago, LordSolarMach said:

If Chaos Dwarfs was a failure, how has any of the DLC has been successful?

Underperform doesn’t have to be a legit failure, might’ve just been slightly under the line the management then, before the current reorganization, was demanding(the one full of inflated ego like threatening players they’ll pull support or “posting on our forums is a privilege”, calling SoC Premium Dlc, taking Saga title off so they could overcharge and put on pre-order DLC’s, etc)

Point for point the fanbase was angry about it and the jumped up pricing regardless which caused mixed reviews(later dropping to negatives) and the first rumblings of boycotts.

I’m just saying brace for sticker shock backlash when a price is finally put on TOW.

Even the thickest rose-tinted nostalgia glasses will be tested then. 😄

 

 

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5 minutes ago, LordSolarMach said:

That release had a concurrent player bump up to ~73k

2 things to keep in mind is that also caused controversy because it took away a legendary lord and caused the new FLC heroes from now on instead(so drop in content) and they fibbed about how different each lords were from eachother having very similar mechanics.

On numbers, people didn’t have to buy the Dlc to enjoy fighting them or the new content added to the map.

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15 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said:

the other thing is if Total War fans were pissed about DLC prices*, they are absolutely not going to put up with GW's pricing lol.

 

*and they were so pissed eventually CA relented to reworking how much content DLC gets

Yeah, apparently insiders are saying Chorfs dlc underperformed because of the price.

TOW rolling up with a $250+ box when $25 is too much for a whole new race isn’t gonna please them.

 

Noserenda has the right of it that gamers aren’t just waiting over 8 years like a dam about to burst. They’ve been seeping over the years into the tabletop through AoS, KoW, 9th Age, WAP, OPR and the attention black hole that is 40k. TOW isn’t gonna magically find a new reservoir of them.

Especially now that we can all see the game isn’t made to pull them in. Majority that did wait are disappointed there’s few to no faces from TWW in it, only 9 supported races out of the 24 from the game which didn’t even lead with Kislev or Cathay which caused initial hype in the first place.

Like over the years I’ve seen 4 “Will you be getting into TOW?” polls on the TWW Reddit and the majority vote is always “It Depends”.

Every year there’s less of those votes and the iron is getting cold with Vermintide nearly over and TWW having major issues causing players & modders to leave and now the new Thrones of Decay dlc got delayed all the way to April which will miss a lot of hype it could’ve built for Febuary.

Right now the only thing the TWW side seem interested in is what new units TOW can put into their game. Just foot knights & a skele croc-dragon aren’t exactly wow factors.

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Isn’t it that number on the central picture in the back? 93 models?

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Hahaha! Man people complain about the infantry but the skeleton cavaliers look like Lego skeletons. 🤣

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31 minutes ago, Nezzhil said:

For the new Ogor lore I recommend you the last Warcry booklet and the Dawnbringers 3.

Alrighty then.

opening the Gorger section in my hands right now:

 

Looking at the ritual and it says it’s taking place in Behemat’s stomach remains because he was Gorkamorka’s/Gulping God’s most legendary servant.

Not sure what you were going for there my dude. Even the Warcry Gorger stuff and earlier stuff of Butchers throwing meat into the tree maws that open up on the trunks and in the ground of the Gnarlwoods was in honor to Gorkamorka. He’s a hungry god, anything maw related now is just his maw/jaws/gullet.

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3 minutes ago, Luperci said:

Thorian getting a model is a good shout if she does actually survive until the end of the series

Yep, she’s my biggest investment right now with the campaign. 😄

She’s cool, likable, good tactician mind to use the Realmscapes against the enemy and a proper badass even going up against a Ogor in a duel.

So of course I’m wary it’s bait to hit me harder when her “rise in position” is because of the pole under her head if things go south for the Life Realm crusade.  

 

 

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10 hours ago, flying_dutchman said:

Doesn't destruction have to worship gorkamorka.  And I rather of seen skaven go to destruction than chaos.  Over chaos dwarves

Yeah, basically every Destruction faction is apart of Gorkamorka’s body. Ironjawz his fist, Kruleboyz his grasping hand, Ogors his mouth, Sons of Behemat his feet, etc.

And they can’t stand chaos corruption such as when the Ogroids/Goroa turned from Gorkamorka to Chaos to get more power to avenge their lost empire which made Destruction as a whole, from Orruk to Grot, hunt them down.

We know Hashut is a chaos entity that humans turned to in the Age of Chaos to help survive, making the Horns of Hashut cultists, so that’s a big no-go on Chuardin being anything but Chaos GA.

 

5 hours ago, Nezzhil said:

The new Ogor lore is moving to the Gulping God since last months. We can say that it is not that Gorkamorka-centric than before

Gulping God & Sun Eater are both Gorkamorka.

Interestingly the last battletome actually became anti-Maw. It got added to the myths that caused the Everwinter curse by outcast pagan Ogors daring to worship something so hungry that wasn’t attributed to Gorkamorka’s mighty gob and so he breathed a deep sigh of disapproval that followed them in shame becoming the Everwinter.

Seems tantamount to Sigmarite pagans worshipping Ghal Maraz over Sigmar like he’s nothing without it.

(also I love how the growing myths just show Destruction has to record it’s history through story-tellers & word of mouth. The other 3 GA’s have all these new heroes with scrolls & books keeping records so you actually get some accurate history but Destruction has to rely on stuff like these guys to keep centuries of stories straight:

)

On the subject of what could come for CoS next edition, I’m hopeful for a small update for Hammerhal Ghyra rangers since the main army units are from Aqshy(thus the red colorings, cover art having fire swords and Dappled Efreet leg-fish running underfoot on the fusiliers bases which are common Aqshy vermin).

Hopes are the:

Marshall Iscilla Thorian(Ghyran crusade leader) getting a model showing her off as a sword & shield Marshall tapping into the Realm of Life’s power(plants bursting up around her for a tactical rock)

Druid mage hero-

Maybe a unit of ironwood armored infantry for new Ghyran heavy units(wouldn’t be too far from the rest as all those wood shields the Castellites use are made from Ironwood, so these guys are just draped in shields on their bodies)

And Beetle cavalry for the new monstrous cavalry units.

They appeared twice now both in the AoS3 Core Book and in a CoS battletome story of saving the day against a Kruleboyz ambush so seems some build-up for armored beetles to go with the moving fortresses of the Freeguilds.🪲 

“Not every insect carries the foul touch of the Plague God upon its body, however. Not only do bugs and grubs provide [Hammerhal Ghyra's] main source of food, but larger species of insect native to Verdia are harnessed as beasts of burden or even war-mounts – the famed Shellriders of the 68th Veldtguard have employed rockcrusher scarabs to great effect in their massed cavalry charges. Docile and pliant andronicus beetles are more common than carthorses in the city's farming strata, and have the added benefit of a powerful pair of glittering wings. Indeed, beetle-flight is one of the few ways for one to reach the docks of the floating drift-isles and the highest levels of the city.”

 

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1 hour ago, lele said:

Based on advent engine, i guess we will have Cities vs Skaven box in 4.0

Nah, remember the lead-up to AoS3 and we had weeks of “Visions of the Beast” engines every week that slowly pieced together the Kruleboyz reveal up to the trailer?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/27/the-rumour-engine-visions-of-beasts-part-10/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/28/the-rumour-engine-visions-of-beasts-part-11/

 

You can’t tell me that exact set-up wouldn’t be perfect to reveal mysterious new Skaven lurking about preparing a new assualt on Order the Stormcast are scouting out with their celestial equipment(more rumor engine shards). 😁

These Christmas advents are likely something sooner than AoS4.

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4 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Why did GW even make a beast FAQ. It's literally just a random nerf to a random spell that no one took on a unit no one took. Seems like someone in the design studio didn't like getting hit with -1 attack debuffs judging from the stormcast dragon change at the same time.

It seems that way. Though someone did point this out about the draconith.

”It’s not a nerf. Before a unit with multiple attacks could split them and not lose any, by only assigning one attack each to the model with the -1 incoming attack rule, and the rest to whatever else is in range. This is a side grade that helps address this issue, and also makes the units more capable of supporting the rest of your army in combat. Seems interesting to me.”

4 minutes ago, MitGas said:

I think a couple of less "weird" helmets and a different paintjob would immediately fix them for those that want to stick closer to the Empire of old. 

That’s CoS biggest strength. Since release I’ve seen on Reddit & Twitter new CoS standard, empire, Bretonnian, Kislev, middle eastern, samurai, wizardly, high tech(Necromunda ho), lawful undead, nature rangers and chaos warriors versions along with some 3D Printer sales wanting to give them even crazier stacked helms and packs that make them look like battle billboards.

At their core now they’re medieval high fantasy troopers so can be converted into any direction.

55 minutes ago, MitGas said:

Don't or I wanna start Skaven as well! 🙏

I do wonder if when we ever get to the Realm of Shadow will those Nethermaze hatcheries be expanded on with the Skaven we saw.

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5 minutes ago, Tonhel said:

I mean look ath the artwork of those flagellants with a warrior priest. Imo CoS isn't aesthetic wise really not so different.

I’d say this is the thing.

old empire Could go wackier if they really tried and at most it was the artwork that showed it off while the figures remained 90% historical fantasy looking and fairly subdued.

Meanwhile CoS looks like they came galloping off those artworks and are walking talking high fantasy caricatures of the empire with decorations on every trooper that completely tossed out any historical tie-ins(there’s people going over the details of their armors that range from north European, east European Hussites and even some Japanese styles mixed in there)

So fair to say why you see Empire in these but also fair why so many former CoS players walked out angry their army got “Lumineth’d”(made much more wacky and fantastical)

 

 

7 minutes ago, Nezzhil said:

I am thinking that maybe Chorfs+Hobgrots is the first army with two Grand Allegiances 

I mean hobgrots are pretty standard mercenaries and even back alley merchants.

I think if some work for Chuardin it’ll be like city-Ogors over in CoS. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Tonhel said:

but this isn't translated in the miniatures at all. 

To the CoS it definitely is. They look out of discworld with how wacky they and their big helmets, magic smelter pot warforger, angular clothes, Ogor-crow nest and Gargoylians are. Even their knights are heavily overloaded with exaggerated armor to where one AoS Cavalier would be the equivalent of a Knight Order Grandmaster in the world-that-was(just like black orcs are average troopers now)

 
 

Your other examples were already high fantasy from the get-go being ancient alien lizards, hell knights & daemons and undead magic cannibals so the translations aren’t as drastic yet.

18 minutes ago, Tonhel said:

and Skaven will just be the same. A simular aesthetic, but just much better.

Haha, be careful on the certain tones without Whitefang around. Remember your “Ironjawz won’t get anymore updates” prediction a few months before they dropped in.  
 

24 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said:

really bad view on Skumdrekk there... i looked up the model and on the generic hero the GW site has a much better angle. not entirely convinced yet because none of the nails/spikes are even close to that obvious thunderbolt but another few REs might flip me

I’m kinda wondering if the thunderbolt is Grottish because stuff like the Snarlfang swords have that weird bolt bend so maybe closer to Hobgrot constructs?

Between the wings, pulleys & bomb I’m hoping for a Vulcha flying unit with hobgrots dropping bombs from on high now.