Turgol
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I am not believing for one second that the Warden King, Runesmith and even Dragon Slayer (Unforged) are going to be discontinued. Warden King is even a candidate to be changed from Dispossessed to Steamhead keyword IMO.
I really think the best solution is to provide a Duardin battletome with three subfactions, the way they did with Tzeentch. That would allow not only to serve most of the high quality existing range, but also lots of tactical options.
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4 hours ago, daedalus81 said:
From reddit:
This sounds fake. A mix of guessing ("gunners", zeppelin) and trolling (dwarfs on individual balloons? Like hanging from them?)
Waiting for news on this is being increasingly more frustrating. I mean, we KNOW they are coming and it is pretty much certain that they will be released mid march or mid april. We still have no picture nor reliable description of the release. Warhammer TV should just get magnanimous and make a show about it!
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56 minutes ago, Chikout said:
Lots of craziness going on in 40k but worth pointing that the leaked images confirm that the new warhammer Quest game is coming in March. No pic of contents and no sign of Duardin yet.
Worth pointing out, though, that Natfka posted yesterday a rumour with the name and content on third part of Gathering Storm and added that (between Gathering Storm and 40k 8th edition) "dwarfs and gryph hounds" should still be there. I see this as the most trustable source to confirm that duarding are coming. We do know they are not coming before March 15th preorder, but if I had to guess, I would say they will be released on late March/early April.
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Disciplines of Tzeentch and the changes it imply to the game seem like an awesome direction the game is taking. I suggested a while ago a three tier system for army building: GA allegiance with thin bonuses, faction group with better, specific bonuses, and faction allegiance with very strong bonuses. By Sylvaneth/Beastclaw/Bonnesplitta the system was functioning as a two tier army system, which made some very intuitive combinations (example: Stormcast + Extremis) lack any kind of benefit. I'am glad GW took this road. IMO it is the perfect army buiding system: it allows varied or very specific armies to coexist, in a way we WHFB would have loved to see (remember all those old only Khorne, only a certain region of the Empire, but also general Undead or general Chaos armies?).
Steamhead Duarding seem less and less like a small, Fyreslayer like release, and I guess it will be a Duardin Battletome with 4 factions (Dispossesed, Fyreslayers, Steamhead and Ironweld), which would be a very sound decision both to reinvigorate the failed FS release and have a huge range to choose between varied or very specific armies. It could also be a chance to fix Fyreslayers, without having to release a new specific Battletome.I'am also very glad at what I'am hearing about the fluff. Moving to a more "established" background, with places and cultures you can relate o - some of them provided and developed by GW without closing to fan creation- seems like a very sound decision as well. I'am glad they are also keeping the grand, total war feeling of the fluff, with Tzeentch using Khorne and Nurgle's struggle to gain chaos hegemony.
Both moves seem to be making AoS an awesome game. After a failed launch and a shy ulterior development, GW seems to be moving in the very right direction they pointed out since Sylvaneth Battletome, Allgates and the General's Handbook. Both gamewise and lore-wise they have a good road to go before getting there. But no one can deny (although we still have to read the Tzeentch fluff) that they are on the right path.
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1 hour ago, Dawnmane said:
But why? They've never done a single AOS release before, have they?
Yes: Bloodbound variants for heroes and second Heraldor. This is what I think this was meant to be: a variant Of Castellant. Better sales though with a dispeling hero.
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This is a just a single release. Little more than new head and weapons for Castellant. No new chamber release at all.
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I also visited the BL site to see if it hinted at news for AoS and although I was frustrated to not find any new AoS book, there is nothing really tied to future releases in any of the systems. Even Magnus the Red novel deals with Great Crusade stuff, so unrelated to both Prospero and 40k Magnus. The coming soon section is clearly build with a filter to any book that hints are any new GW product. That is precisely the reason why there are no AoS hints in there: AoS has almost no products that are not tied to GW products released at the same time. There are a couple of Realmgate Wars novels that were released with any tie to anything and the audio series of books about Sigmarines and Nagash/Mannfred was pretty much disconnected as well, but both are finished as far as I know.
So yeah, that sections tells us nothing. No good, no bad.
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Yeah, I also think october would be weird. Próspero is rumoured for mid-late october though, and november should have AoS in it. I thought Tzeentch but it might be Duardin after all.
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So I have been told today that new dwarves might be coming this year. This comes from an employee (not design team though) who told me that the earlier rumours were not quite unsubstantiated. No more info than that. Keep in mind that as most GW people, this guy is very passionate about the hobby so he could be just believing his desires.
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What model is the sorcerer lord?
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This weeks releases have been uncovered: it is (obviously) Genestealers Cult Codex with repacks from Overkill. The interesting thing is that there seem to be no new models there and that you need Astra Militrum (Imperial Guard) to make a full army. Would expect therefore an upgrade kit and maybe a couple of new models next week, but not much.
Being the case the GS will only take one or two weeks, I'am thinking we will see quite a bit AoS on October. Prospero should take place before the release of Fenris II: I think part of the idea is to introduce new players to the SW v. TS drama through Prospero and then make them buy the lovely new Tzeentch stuff as well as Prospero box. That makes Fenris a late November or even December release, including none less than Magnus to end up the year.
If that is the case, we have nothing for October so far, but all 40k rumours would be there: DW check (August); Black Crusade check (September), GS check (September); Prospero check (November); Fenris II with Magnus and Rubric Marines check (December or late November). But what about October? I think most of it has to be AoS. Maybe it will be Tzeentch. Less likely Duardin. More likely repacks and new BTs of old books, which with the level of Beastclaw and Flesheaters ist still very exciting.
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I think that is simply wrong: there is no confirmation of an Allegiance of the Realms book, it is most likely wishlisting by no-sources. That does not mean something like that will not be released; I actually think it is very plausible. But no confirmation at all.
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2 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said:
I think a lot of stuff gets mistaken for other stuff. I remember before the End Times came out, we had rumours about a Chaos Lord on a Dragon and a new plastic Great Unclean One aka Archaon and The Glottkin.
I think part of the issue with these sorts of rumours is that even though they are from a 'trusted' source, we don't know how much of it is hearsay from somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody or how much is a bit of fun from the guys in the Studio. Personally with the recent amazing stuff from GW via Facebook and Youtube, I'm more happy to wait for the cool teasers and pictures that way than a bit of fishwife gossip. A cool example was the recent leak about a 30K release which the GW guys blew out of the water with dropping Kharn!
All very true and very wise, most of us have anxiety issues though!
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You are right about LoC but wrong about Skaven. That was Harry (the other "legendary" rumour monger, meaning he also had inside knowledge from creatives). But it was never sure whether he meant to have seen something Skaven or if he was just guessing (wording was something along the lines: if I had to guess, I would expect a couple of months of Sigmarines and Khorne and afterwards Skaven).
Regarding the LoC: I think Sad Panda said many times that it was not coming until the end of 2016 at the least. So I guess that's it; December.
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Indeed unexpected. Keep in mind that Hastings is not your normal source; he has proven time and again that he has internal knowledge (although the amount of info he receives seems to have diminished) of the design team. Most other sources will just know what "is in the pipeline", that means, their inform comes from sales departments and the like (glimps at WD, already produced stuff, etc.). So while Hastings can be very much trusted to have real information, timeframes are a thing with him. Those Skaven could be really just designed, or just produced, but far from release, or close to release. Hard to know. So this rules little out, but it is a great piece of information.
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Nope, it is two different things:
-Free Slaughterpriest with September-issue (confirmed by many retailers)
-The new White Dwarf Model goes up for pre-order tomorrow ($ 20 is what I have read). He is NOT free with WD. Now what I want are images of this dwarf and information about Steamhead!
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I just hope that September is AoS. As a matter of fact I think it is great that the focus goes back to 40k for a while; Death Masque seems so cool that I'am even tempted (although I will resist it) and then Deathwatch and CSM should be really cool as well. Good for 40k: it needs to go back to good ideas, changes and building up excitement again.
What I do mind is not having a single more or less precise clue of what and when comes for AoS. My wallet wouldn't mind at all waiting until October. But my hear does very much mind having to wait even one more week without info!
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Seems pure wishlisting I'am afraid. Not that I blame people for doing that: with the shortage of rumours around, we need something to discuss!
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I'am much less of an expert on 40k than fantasy gameplay (I just occasionally play my DA), but I would say you are right. The usual description of current 40k gameplay is "it is a mess". I guess AoS is also a mess because of too many different sources of rules (Rules, General's Handbook, Warscrolls, Battletomes, Time of War, Scenarios, Terrain), but it has a simple pack of rules which makes integrating all of them possible, even if hard and you end up forgetting most stuff. 40k has not only many sources of rules, but also interlocking systems of rules. Given the complexity of the rules and the fact that it is designed to have most rules in the core system, this causes problems. It is also a game which is played more competitively than AoS, so a lot of people get pissed because it is really hard to keep track of all special rules someone else might have (i have this formation + special rules from pack x + special rule specially released for a special occasion), making everything quite uncertain.
There are no reliable informations about this, but I would guess that 8th edition needs to at least make this dispersion workable.
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5 minutes ago, Turragor said:
Would they sneak in an AoS sized rule reconstruction in an edition? OR will they perhaps build to their own 'end times'.
I actually saw a post about the end times in the 40k subreddit and thought I'd don my fire gear and post something https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/4vrhde/are_we_going_to_have_a_40k_end_times_as_well/d60vqbn
What interests me is that they don't need to take such drastic lore measures with 40k (a whole universe has more potential than the old world) to shake it up. It'd be more the rules that they would upend.
Rumour tends to say something along these lines: "it will go from 5 minutes before midnight to 1 minute before midnight" (and not 2000 years after midnight, like AoS). It is the fluff moving forward, with massive potential changes, but no whole change of the universe. I think if done well this is actually exciting and is also what should have been done with WHFB (although maybe like: 100 years after midnight, but in the same, changed world). So look forward to massive changes but no change of the gaming world.
Rumoured massive changes: Primarchs coming back and having models; daemon primarchs coming back and having models; important lore zones destroyed or invaded; etc.
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2 minutes ago, Nico said:
This is a good idea. It's really hard to make a viable 2,000 point list using the Deathlords (whether pure Deathlords or otherwise).
Dark Elves are a bit of a mess at the moment.
Actually there is a rather simple way to resolve this: just add a keyword to the respective unit that you want to add. So let's say Neferata becomes the "Malignant Mortarch"; Battletome Malignant just needs to include Neferata with a Malignant keyword. Morghasts will very likely be added to more than one faction. And Arkhan was pretty much made into the Deathrattle Mortarch already.
This still leaves unsolved the Deathmage and monsters factions. I guess they are no real factions (just like Deathlords), just a couple of models which will be added to the real factions or, like the Ironweld Arsenal, be left with no real faction, meaning that you can choose them for a Death Army but you will lose specific allegiance. AoS... it is all about those small choices. You want artillery? Sure, but you cannot have these nice buffs!
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Phoenix temple is a rather tiny faction, that is true, but I'am not sure how they fit with the new Tyrion/Teclis aelfs. Very difficult to say anything about these though, because we really have no information at all about them.
Order is the faction with the less "new old book" factions (just Seraphon, which are also really ALL Lizardmen thrown in a book; sure, both Chaos and Death also have one, but both are completely refashioned factions), so I guess it will come down to order or death for next new old book. Death has a strange organization: Deathlords (or whatever the name is), for instance, are pretty much just special characters and Morghasts; you have a necromancer faction; and an only monsters faction. They therefore only have three viable books for a faction: Malignants, Deathrattle (Skeletons) and Soulblight. Except for Malignants though, making a faction book out of those seems rather hard. They need desperately a new organization, making for example Deathlords applicable to all other factions without affecting allegiance or something like that.
Order has six or seven interesting choices for a new book: Dispossessed (but it is really all dwarves except for warmachines thrown together, and we have to see how they are affected by Steamhead); Wanderers (once again: all wood elves thrown together); the common dark elf one whose name I forgot (rather boring); Phoenix Temple, Temple of Khaine, Free Guild and Devoted of Sigmar. My personal guess: the most interesting ones, making for a great fluffy faction like Beastclaw Raiders of Flesheather, are Free Guild and Devoted of Sigmar, so it will come to one of those two (if not both) as next mini faction.
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Actually the current rumour situation is quite messy: there is really just one insider source (Sad Panda) and everyone waits for his news. Has not thrown anything on AoS lately.
There is a second quite reliable source (Atia), who mostly though centralices information that comes from other places, although seems to have some sources of her own.
These days there is nothing else which is reliable on the rumour front and both of them only have rumours on the near future (1-2 months Atia, up to 4 months Sad Panda with details, although less detailed rumours can go a little bit further away). What is quite interesting is that none of these sources have extensive rumours and only the less reliable sites (Natfka, Bols) seem to have those kinds of rumours. And they have been unexpectedly successful lately: SoW, Ironjaws and some other stuff were rumoured by them at first IIRC. So do not dismiss everything from those sites.
Now, regarding current rumours on 40k:
-This week is Codex Deathwatch + new 40k starter set featuring Harlequin+new Eldrad vs. new Deathwatch. Seems very tempting.
-August should have more Deathwatch releases; Kharn and some chaos. Warzone Fenris II seems unlikely, since Sad Panda hinted at some point that it would come after or along Tzeentch releases and those do not seem to be coming as of yet.
-Near future (say October, maybe even September) should have Horus Heresy II, featuring MK3 marines (SW and TS I think), Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence (Sad Panda source).
-Warzone Fenris II should come later this year.
-Summer 2017 is the new 8th edition, which will be a major change both on fluff and gameplay.
AoS rumours:
-Jabber Tzeentch has a good summary, I might only add:
-Steamhead Duardin have been hinted but not confirmed by any reliable source. Sources come from both Natfka and BOLS, no Sad Panda. However, remember that most successful AoS rumours have come from those sites lately and you can start trusting them once several of their sources say the same thing. This is the case. Still: we are desperately in need of confirmation and details!
-Tzeentch should be released later this year; this has been repeatedly said by both Atia and Sad Panda (although at this point it feels like Peter and the wolf!). Year of Tzeentch is still very much missing. Maybe Christmas of Tzeentch?
-We have really no rumour apart from these two. Hints at Shadowkin on several books make for a good guess that they will be released some say, but we have no clue when. Much less regarding light elves. The (lately pretty awesome) battletomes making new factions out of old armies are a given, but we do not know what faction nor when will be released. Good candidates are: Rotbringers (Nurgle mortals), Deathrattle, Malignants, Devoted of Sigmar, Temple of Khaine, Phoenix Temple, Free Guild, Dispossessed, Moonclan Grots, Spiderfang Grots, Gutbusters, maybe Skaven Skyre, Skaven Moulder and Skaven Verminus.
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That is indeed great news but weird considered the Atia rumour that Kharn and Deatwatch were on the September issue. Although if from the very beginning it is moving to a review of the past months, it does make sense: August (and no September) would see the launch of the 40k line (Deathwatch, Kharn and chaos supplement, maybe WZ: Fenris II). If it so, then I guess September would be Tzeentch and not Duardin.
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