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15 minutes ago, Sedraxis said:
especially after being shot at by 60+ 3+ 4+ -1 1 shots and however many flamers you want to get in range.
Why is this happening? Changehost is one drop, you're going to know exactly where the flamers are, their exact threat range and you get to compensate for all of that before deploying anything meaningful.
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16 minutes ago, Sedraxis said:
Yep, there is no doubt in my mind that this is the best army by a pretty big margin right now.
Best army bar people building lists that exploit it effectively. Again null deploy or just stuff like untamed beasts in chaos armies.
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18 minutes ago, Dolomyte said:
I’ve gone 5 and 0.
What events?
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1 minute ago, Dolomyte said:
Ok lock up the important part of your army, play the semantics game. It’s great because we will have data to see whose right over the next few months
I'll take MSU screening for $300 Alex.
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1 minute ago, Dolomyte said:
If I’m going to buy another army to play against them I’ll just buy chanfehost and hope to win the roll off
Terrible solution if you're going to buy an army to deal with them. You're relegating yourself to a 50% win rate at best, better to buy an army with actual tools to deal with them.
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1 minute ago, Dolomyte said:
And not nerfed. Long live three to four months of tzeentch dominance depending on next ghb.
Play null deploy - Changehost has almost no counter play to it what so ever. I've played against the two lists that won Heat 1 with Living City and had 0 issues.
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Tzeentch and KO FAQs are up.
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On 2/1/2020 at 4:32 AM, Saxon said:
i think its reasonable to expect more balance given the cost of the models.
Honest question here - why do you think its reasonable to expect this? I love competitive play, I travel to events, run locals, the whole nine. However GW has never advertised the game as particularly well balanced, they don't make any real claims as to it being overly suitable for tight games. They obviously encourage tournament play by running their own events, putting in matched play, etc., but they've never really stood up and said 'this is our design intent'.
I ask the question because I think this is the crux of a lot of folks' relationship with GW. Their how and why lacks alignment with GW's how and why which means that the end result is always going to be far less than perfect.-
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1 hour ago, swarmofseals said:
Maybe I am missing something obvious.
6" pile ins which are ubiquitous in HoS & DoK and a major issue when you're going for the double S&S line. One of the many reasons I divested from large buffed hand gunners to MSU 3x 10x.
Don't disagree with your main point regarding the rest of the list tech - all pretty well spot on. Just wanted to point out that there are top tier armies out there that can effectively absorb handgunners without ever having to deal with their damaging elements. -
16 minutes ago, swarmofseals said:
OK, fair enough -- that is indeed pretty solid. I'd love to know the exact gunline lists that you guys tested. I'm also extremely jealous. I've got a lot of free time but it's mostly during the day on weekdays so it's hard to get a significant volume of games in ><.
I'll PM you a few (so we're not taking up all of CoS General) but yeah I'm fortunate to have a really solid little team who wants to play as many games as I do.
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2 minutes ago, swarmofseals said:
How many games/battleplans will you guys put in with a list before abandoning it?
Usually at least 12 (assuming 12 against a variety of lists). Sometimes something gets dropped a lot faster but usually the goal is to try to get in double digits before making any major changes.
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7 minutes ago, swarmofseals said:
I'm just not sure how many people actually do rigorous testing for AOS (I bet it's not that many).
To provide anecdotal evidence that's all my entire team does, we relentlessly test/practice all the time. Proxy games, open hands, the whole thing. I'm sure the bulk of the tournament field doesn't but I'd be willing to bet the top 10% do.
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8 minutes ago, swarmofseals said:
It's hard to say that only the mixed lists can succeed when there aren't really any examples of actual gunline lists being taken.
I'm taking that as a very different conclusion. There aren't really any examples of actual gunlines because those players have tested the lists and decided not to take them to tournaments for a reason.
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2 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:
how many games were played (per player) at cancon?
6 rounds, he won 5 of them. He beat Khorne x2, FEC, Mawtribes x2 and lost to Mawtribes once. There's also another Anvilguard player (Andrew Bigwood) who went 4-2 with a similar list (beat Petrifex Elite on stream during round 4).
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18 minutes ago, swarmofseals said:
Yeah, I would assume IDK would be a challenging matchup. Maybe Warclans as well. The non-viability of the strategy seems like an exaggeration though given the melee-less Hallowheart lists that dominated GTs while doing less damage than a pure shooting army could (and while ostensibly having the same weaknesses to null deployment etc.)
Hallowheart's best finish was 1st at BnG and since then has hovered in the top 10 a few times. It is also incredibly vulnerable to null deploys. Regarding the viability, feel free to give it a go. I tried it and had limited success with old Skyhook spam Company in TE but I found that I lagged out at the end of games and generally found this to be a shared experience with others I discussed the concept with.
Hallowheart and Gunlines in general are amazing king maker armies at GTs - they'll do exceptionally well for most of the field but ultimately what they serve is as a check on who can make the podium, the armies with the tools to beat them will podium and keep the pure gunline/magic gun lines in the 4-1 also ran territory. Also if you look at the lists that did well at LVO/CanCon this weekend, the Hallowhearts that succeeded were defintely blended lists that leaned on shooting but brought some significant elements of movement and or combat. -
14 hours ago, swarmofseals said:
Looking over the CanCon/Call to Glory lists I continue to be shocked that basically nobody is running Cities as a gunline. I guess there was one guy playing Greywater artillery, but that's about it!
Most people I've talked with who've tested it (and this is my experience as well) find that pure gun line falls apart. It looks good on paper until you play something like IDK or LC that null deploys or you just play Warclans and you can't do enough damage before 5 'Ardboyz wipes out 30 Handgunners at a time. Its a turns 1-2 monster but just lags hard after those turns to armies that hold up
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13 hours ago, JackStreicher said:
Additionally it is „only“ place 8 in one tournament.
That's a top 5% finish in a field of 220, its not 'only' 8. Its a top 10 at the largest AoS event in the world.
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48 minutes ago, Macha said:
is it correct that, if I set them up via hidden path, they count as not moved (Setup) and they get their attack bonus?
Yes, per the FAQ arriving from reserves doesn't count as having moved - only that you cannot move further in that phase. Sisters who arrive via hidden path get their +1 attack bonus.
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3 minutes ago, Gecktron said:
Really surprised by the one Anvilgard player ending up in 8th place. Is there a way to see who that was? The Order PDF has two Anvilgard lists...
https://downunderpairings.com/Tournament.php?TournamentID=776&Panel1=Leaderboard
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1 minute ago, Gecktron said:
Idoneth Deepkin, Fyreslayers, Kharadron Overlords and Nighthaunts would like to disagree, so do Daughters of Khaine and Flesh-Eater courts.
Shhh! That's counter intuitive to the narrative that GW intentionally overpowers armies to make sales and then nerfs them. No one wants to hear all that.
SpoilerI'm being sarcastic and I agree with you 100%.
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1 hour ago, dekay said:
Everything is better than knights. Regrettably. Especially without a dreadlord.
Massed Knights and Chariots took 8th at CanCon this weekend.
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10 hours ago, Cerve said:
Mmm...you know that I don't know? I always assumed I can...it's a mistake? I'm in doubt now
You cannot, she isn't on the table at the start of the battle round.
I've tried Drycha and she doesn't get the job done for me most of the time. M9, no fly, 10 wounds, just doesn't hold the same weight at the Dreadlord. The Dreadlord has more flexibility and is eligible for the Fight First on the Charge spear from Living City which means you get to choose the first two combats on the turn you ambush.-
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12 hours ago, rockmanko said:
whats your weapon choice of the dreadlord?
blade / spear?
I run Spear/Crossbow
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1 hour ago, swarmofseals said:
I think I've written enough XD so I'm going to leave it there for the moment and come back to add in some more specific list ideas later.
I enjoyed the read (probably helps that I agree with basically all of it, you can check my list above and find basically the same outcome). If I may I'd suggest looking at possibly adding KO allies - the new Fly High ability is from the warscroll rather than the book which can add a huge chunk of late game maneuvering to your army as well.
AoS 2 - Cities of Sigmar Discussion
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Before providing any feedback, what city are you looking at running? Our Cities are almost different armies so its probably relevant to know which you're interested in.