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    AoS 2 - Ironjawz Discussion

    in Destruction

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    On 7/8/2019 at 7:34 AM, Malakree said:

    Be interested to know what his matchups were. It looks like his round 4 was an ironjawz mirror and the meta itself seems a little light on the heavy MW output. That said ironjawz seem like a pretty solid counter to slaanesh, because of smashing and bashing, which themselves look to be a strong meta breaker.

    So as long as slaanesh remains dominant then it should leave Ironjawz well placed. Against skaven/FEC/tripple bloodthirster khorne I can see it tanking pretty hard.

    It's all about dodging those terrible matchups 😂

    Hey! I was the guy playing jawz. I played two stormcast lists, a khorne list with dogs, cavarly, bloodthirster and 6 enlightened, an ironjawz mirror matchup, and a slaanesh list in round 5. 

    With the changes to Gristlegore and Evocators, we're unlikely to see as many mortal wounds flying around. Changehost remains a threat but it's fortunately an army not too many people seem keen on playing. 

    The only skaven I would be particularly worried about would be a list that's gone super heavy into warp lightning cannons - but that's come at the cost of a lot of other scary stuff they could run so I don't think people will run it (even with the enginecoven reductions).

    The meta was softer than e.g. my run at BOBO was, but there were still plenty of very competitive players and tough lists at the event.

    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    in Sylvaneth

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    2 hours ago, Craze said:

    @TinyDino Thanks a lot for these insights!

    As I have no experience with Dreadwood so far, I would like to ask you a couple of questions: 

    - What would "go full on alpha" mean?

    - When you talk About "layers upon layers of defense" how do you accomplish that with only S-Revs as real "chaff"? Do you count on summoning a lot of extra Dryads?

    - In the description you wrote that Archie was not allowed. How would you change the list, if Archie would have been allowed to use?

    Thanks in Advance!

    No problem, glad if anyone finds them interesting!

     

    With regards to full alpha, that would typically mean committing Kurnoths, Alarielle, and Drycha into combat turn one (and get a high value swarm of squirmlings shot with Drycha in the shooting phase). Often you'd end up charging the summoned unit of 20 dryads and the general in for extra oomph, as well as pile-in control.

    For the alpha to work, two things need to happen: you need to get at least two out of your three pre-game abilities (so you get both of the movement ones), and the opponent needs to have messed up their deployment. For example, my game three at the BMC one dayer the week before BOBO was against Nagash, 30 grims, 40 chains, couple chars and chaff. He left his Nagash unscreened from one flank, so I redeployed the Kurnoths 6" away from there. Drycha went after the chainrasps, and Alarielle went after the grimghast. At the end of my turn one the chains were down to a few models about to battleshock off, Nagash was dead, and the grims were down to half the starting size. Had he screened his Nagash better and spread out the units, I would not have tried a full alpha.

     

    Re: defense layers, I virtually always summon 20 dryads from Alarielle, which gives me 20+10 dryads to work with and 4*5 spite revenants. Without Ranu's Lamentiri summoning extra dryads is a bit iffy, so I always plan as if I get zero dryads from Branchwraith summoning. 

    It's a bit difficult to explain in words how the layering works but I always have a few goals in mind: force the opponent's to charge through wyldwoods to get to anything, make sure it is difficult to engage more than one unit at a time,  have enough layers that it is difficult for them to get to my high value targets even if they double turn, and have the hammers in position to be able to capitalise on any overextensions (e.g. my game 5 at BOBO my opponent charged his Archaon into some chaff, but he could not pile-in to be in range of Drycha - I had 6 kurnoths 11" away ready to charge it in my turn).

     

    Finally re: Archie - I haven't really had a chance to playtest the list with him, but I was going to run it with a straight swap of the 10 dryads. He would be the general with Warsinger and Betrayer's Crown, while the second branchwraith could now take Ranu's Lamentiri. Arch-Revenant makes kurnoths stupidly good, would be a fast scoring character, and could deliver betrayer's crown a lot easier thanks to 12" movement and fly.

     

    Bit of an essay reply, but hope that helps!

     

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    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    in Sylvaneth

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    8 hours ago, Ruhraffe said:

    In regard to leos list: 

    https://thehonestwargamer.com/aos-list-rundowns/leo-rautonen-dreadwood-bobo-2019/

    how is the Betrayers Crown on the Branchwraith useful? I thought you let your Branchwraith behind a screen of dryads to keep her safe. How do you use that combo? If the dryads charge in front of the wraith, the opponents models should never really be in range of the artefact.

    Hey - I've been running betrayer's crown because of the extra horde removal it brings - particularly against ethereal units like grimghast and chainrasps. I think you could probably swap it to whatever you prefer (Ranu's Lamentiri, Luminary Rod etc.). I've been playing it as a deterrent to stop opponents charging their big units near her. E.g. my game one was against Legion of Sacrament with 30 grimghast in it in Starstrike. The branchwraith was sat just behind the dryad+spite-rev screens (at an awkward spot so vhordrai couldn't reach it easily), and as he had to charge his unit of grims in to contest the objective, he lost 10 of them immediately to the crown.

    The list seems like it just alpha-strikes, but I didn't really alpha even once in all five games. The threat of it is there though, dictating the opponent's deployment. Depending on their deployment you can either go full on alpha, a partial commitment (e.g. kurnoths + dryad tags), or just set up layers upon layers of defense they have to go through, while zipping around with your three hammers punishing any over extensions.

     

    Hope that answers the question!

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