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I’m pretty sure their intention was the skinks warscroll. Just like in fangs of sotek where everyone thought it was everything with the skink keyword but it’s just the skinks/chameleon skinks warscroll. But hey

So your kroxigors will only get the bonus to hit being near an actual skink unit, aka the warscroll called skinks. The ark of sotek bastiladon has been gaining traction in the competitive scene as a cheap 1+ save monster. Your skink priest is the one that gives out +1 to hit and the possibility of run and shoot and charge. The starpriest gives units 6’s to wound are a mortal in addition, you throw that with hand of glory and the skink priest +1 to hit command ability and the ability to run and shoot with skinks who would yes get 60 shots in a block of 30, hitting on 4’s wounding on 5’s rerolling 1’s and 6’s to wound are mortals in addition, you put out a ****** ton of damage that way, and dracothians tail’s deep strike ability has more use than you think once you see how you can manipulate it, with being able to drop almost your entire army all around the board depending on how you built your list, I like thunderlizards with my 30 block of skinks and everything else because that -1 damage is worth it’s weight in gold but all the sub factions except koatls claw have a use. Experiment and enjoy your army.

Can you give a list example @vinnyt? Specifically for a tournament setting where you will most likely see dragon spam, nurgle fly spam and legion of the first prince building with what I have in my collection of stuff.

So found out that the new white dwarf rule wasn’t nearly as awesome as everyone first believed. So I’m gonna have to practice with deepkin into KO. But currently the list to beat locally is monster spam legion of the first prince, and nurgle fly spam with belakor as well. list is something like: Synessa belakor lord of change as the general and kairos fateweaver then 2x5 flesh hounds and a unit of 10 plague bearers before everything gets summoned in. I haven’t seen that list but I’m assuming it’s 8-12 flys the lord of afflictions and belakor. im coming to you good folks to see if you maybe have some tactical insight into either of these armies, I’ll post what I own and see what you guys can come up with and I’ll give every idea a try. But know I don’t own lotann or eels. Army Faction: Idoneth Deepkin LEADER Akhelian King (250) - Bladed Polearm and Falchion Akhelian King (250) - Bladed Polearm and Falchion Akhelian Thrallmaster (110) Akhelian Thrallmaster (110) Eidolon of Mathlann Aspect of the Sea (325) Eidolon of Mathlann Aspect of the Storm (355) Isharann Soulrender (120) Isharann Soulrender (120) Isharann Soulrender (120) Isharann Soulscryer (150) Isharann Tidecaster (150) Isharann Tidecaster (150) Isharann Tidecaster (150) Volturnos (290) BATTLELINE Namarti Reavers (170) Namarti Reavers (170) Namarti Reavers (170) Namarti Reavers (170) Namarti Reavers (170) Namarti Thralls (130) Namarti Thralls (130) Namarti Thralls (130) Namarti Thralls (130) Namarti Thralls (130) Namarti Thralls (130) Namarti Thralls (130) BEHEMOTH Akhelian Leviadon (500) Akhelian Leviadon (500) Akhelian Leviadon (500) TERRAIN Gloomtide Shipwreck (0) OTHER Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Retarius Net Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Retarius Net Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Retarius Net Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Retarius Net Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Retarius Net Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Retarius Net Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165) - Retarius Net Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades TOTAL POINTS: (8385/2000) Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App

@vinnyt I think had he done his fly high 9 inches away picked an individual shark and popped that new white dwarf rule for KO he would have absolutely just destroyed me one model at a time. I didn’t keep everything together and force him to fire at one model at a time I was spread out and he could have just focused down one model with one ship at a time. I need to practice with it more but I’m fairly certain next week or the week after I’ll have everything else for the army and I’ll be free to shift my list focus and enjoy playing dom-hain and ionrach and all the other cool list ideas. So probably not gonna see shark spam or turtle spam lists from me for a little while.

So. For reference my list was Army Faction: Idoneth Deepkin - Army Subfaction: Fuethán - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line - Triumphs: Inspired LEADER Akhelian King (250)* - General - Command Traits: Unstoppable Fury - Bladed Polearm and Falchion - Artefacts: Arcane Tome - Mount Traits: Voidchill Darkness - Spells: Flaming Weapon Isharann Tidecaster (150)** - Spells: Steed of Tides BATTLELINE Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)* - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)* - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)* - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)* - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades 2 x Akhelian Allopexes (495)* - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)** - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)** - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades ENDLESS SPELL Emerald Lifeswarm (60) CORE BATTALIONS: *Battle Regiment **Battle Regiment TOTAL POINTS: (1945/2000) While my opponent made a very critical error in not shooting me turn one I don’t think the shark spam list would actually do great in the current shooting meta. My opponent’s list would’ve obliterated me if he had shot me.

So I’ll post up my thoughts shortly just getting some stuff done. I don’t think I really got to test the army out, it was over at the end of my second turn. But I’ll give my thoughts on the list shortly

Alright. So fuethan shark spam worked, my opponent called it top of 2. I double turned him and destroyed 3 frigates and a gunhauler in 2 turns.

The shark list I have is a 2 drop. I maximized the number of sharks so I’m sitting at 9 sharks a king and a tidecaster. 2 blood thirsty shivers and 1 unit of 3 sharks. I guess I could always make it 3 blood thirsty shivers and be ok. But I like the unit of 3. I’ll post up the bat rep after my game tonight I have two games possibly one against KO and one against LRL if I have time at the store to do so.

Ehh. I mean it’s still good compared to losing every game.

And as for getting far enough back yea I won’t be able to fight him I can 100% still shoot him turn one but come turn 2 or 3 I can rush him. The board size I think hinders the fly high ability since you don’t have a full 6ft board to hop around on.

@DocKeule I’ve played triple turtles 5 times, and I’m at a 75% win rate being that I’ve won 3 of the 5 games with the list. The trick I think with the turtle list since I don’t have the king is to have the aspect of the sea get off the negative to save roll spell and try to roll high enough that the turtles be it the super buffed -3 rend one or otherwise can smack down the big ships once I get rid of the gunhaulers, which should be easy enough with all the d3 damage shots going out. I should have 70 thralls soon and 50 reavers so I’m definitely going to be going nuts with that list when I can run it successfully.

Army Faction: Idoneth Deepkin - Army Subfaction: Nautilar LEADER Eidolon of Mathlann Aspect of the Sea (325) Isharann Tidecaster (150) BATTLELINE Akhelian Leviadon (500) Akhelian Leviadon (500) Akhelian Leviadon (500) TOTAL POINTS: (1975/2000) Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App this is another idea but I’m worried that high rend and volume of shots will blow this list off the board with no real effort

Well. I think I can still manage to outdrop him. So I can get first turn. The last time I played against KO I absolutely destroyed them but I was playing thunderlizards seraphon so. I will have to work on the list. Any suggestions on what else to try? Knowing that I don’t have any thralls done all I can do for battleline are sharks or turtles, this might be one game that isharaan guard would be awesome to ignore rend with.

This list is also something I want to try running into lumineth. I think I have a somewhat decent shot at smacking around the would be sons of teclis, but I have always struggled against them, though I’ve been having more success as of late

Prepping for my game against KO tomorrow night. Fiddling with lists, the only things I don’t own currently are eels, lotann, volturnos, and any of the nemarti units. I have enough sharks to play fuethan shark spam or play nautilar triple turtles. Army Faction: Idoneth Deepkin - Army Subfaction: Fuethán - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line - Triumphs: Inspired LEADER Akhelian King (250)* - General - Command Traits: Unstoppable Fury - Bladed Polearm and Falchion - Artefacts: Armour of the Cythai - Mount Traits: Voidchill Darkness Isharann Tidecaster (150)** - Spells: Steed of Tides BATTLELINE Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)* - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)* - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)* - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades 2 x Akhelian Allopexes (495)* - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)** - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)** - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165)** - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades ENDLESS SPELL Emerald Lifeswarm (60) CORE BATTALIONS: *Battle Regiment **Battle Regiment TOTAL POINTS: (1945/2000) Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App

@That Guy And that right there. If there’s a unit or endless spells in range you have to charge with the incarnate. It might not be as huge of a deal with deepkin but overall I think it’s a massive risk to potentially watch my own 400 point unit potentially devastate my own army, like I said time will tell, but ultimately I don’t think the incarnate is going to see the table unless we hit a heavy endless spell meta.

@That Guy I wasn’t saying you couldn’t use the incarnate, Just the battalion you spoke of. It’s locked to the battlepack. It’s why when you look at the core rules they say you refer to your battlepack and that will tell you what you can include in your lists I.e. battalions and things like that. I don’t rate the incarnate because you run into the possibility of oh hey my opponent wiped my hero who’s bonded to it and well ****** I’m dead. So time will tell how it’ll play out but hey.

It’s locked to the battlepack. If you picked the thondia specific battle pack you would lose out on hunters of the heartlands and alpha beast pack in favor of the reworded ones for the specific battlepack. Warhammer weekly did a review of the book. You can still use the incarnate just not that specific battalion.

@That Guy remember that you can only access that battalion you’re talking about if you and your opponent agree to play that battle pack. I’m still not sure the incarnate is worth the points. But I guess time will tell.

I’d be careful with the endless spells depending on how popular that new thing from thondia will be. But you honestly don’t need the spell portal. A slaan/lord kroak can cast through the skink starpriest or skink starseer. Now it’s getting you an extra 12 inches of distance between the slaan/kroak and the skink but sometimes that’s all you need. Give it a shot and see how everything plays. Seraphon is a lot of fun just be ready for the constant raving that seraphon is busted, when their rules really haven’t changed since late 2nd edition and the bastiladon that everyone complains about was cheaper and way more abusive last edition. im by no means a all star player or somebody who can show you stats of tournament placing and all that but I do believe that it’s the players driving the lists not the units that take them to their 5-0 win rate. I own 10k of seraphon and I think I’m a relatively good player in my local area but I struggle with understanding how the winning lists are winning and nobody has been able to explain it well enough that it’s crystal clear what is making the humble bastiladon so busted when nothing on its warscroll has changed for 2 years except the points

@Lord Krungharr so you’d need the new kroak, he’s visibly taller than the older one and is on a bigger base, Spell casting heavy starborne lists work but you run into the issue of running out of spells. And starborne seraphon do summon but it’s not open to spamming like the old book. I haven’t played 2 slaan and kroak before because it isn’t really necessary but I bet it’ll work to some degree. @Acid_Nine saurus work, let me preface this with they don’t do ****** all for damage, They’re tarpits in thunderlizards. The carnosaurs are to me like a skaven clanrat when they pop off and all the damage goes through it’s an amazing feeling, but most of the time they’re unimpressive. I’m not sure what gw pictures when they look at saurus because they are very much outclassed by the skink portion of the battletome. I own 120 saurus warriors and 30 saurus guard and 24 saurus knights trust me I want it to work but man oh man they just die and hit like a noodle definitely fun to just see the waves of dinosaurs on the table but not for a competitive event. I say play rule of cool and have fun, Because it’s a great feeling seeing your not skink units rush across the table with 3d6 charges and a mortal in addition on a 6 to wound with exploding 6’s, will it work all the time? Nope but man when it does it looks cool as hell.

Thinking about taking this list this week against the sky dwarves. Not sure it’ll work out but I think it’s gonna be fun. Army Faction: Idoneth Deepkin - Army Subfaction: Fuethán - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line - Triumphs: Inspired LEADER Eidolon of Mathlann Aspect of the Sea (325) - Spells: Steed of Tides Isharann Tidecaster (150) - Spells: Ghost-mist Akhelian King (250) - General - Command Traits: Unstoppable Fury - Bladed Polearm and Falchion - Artefacts: Arcane Tome - Mount Traits: Voidchill Darkness - Spells: Flaming Weapon Akhelian King (250) - Bladed Polearm and Falchion BATTLELINE Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades 2 x Akhelian Allopexes (495) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades TOTAL POINTS: (1965/2000) Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App

Yea didn’t think what I was saying through lol. Well I guess it’s worth a game or two to test out how it will work but I honestly don’t know that flipping the tides is useful in most games. after reading some updates for daughters of khaine and thinking about a couple of other armies I think the net launcher is going to be a very necessary thing to use in games. Stopping pile-ins on a clutch combat is going to be amazing.

@Chronos even if you flip the tides, the king can still pop his ability turn 3. So you’re still getting 3 combat phases of fight first. Plus all those bonus attacks.