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Hi all,
I still need to paint 2 models, then I´m done with all the Nurgle models I own. It´s time for something new then. And this time I want to have an aggressive army. An army that smashes its foes.
Which one would you advice? What do you think is THE aggressive army right now.
It doesn´t have to be the strongest army out there. I just want to go out and smash faces, something I really miss with my Nurgle Daemons.
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23 hours ago, Drazhoath said:
Yesterday I played against Nurgle at 1500 points with big blocks of Blightkings. Was a close match but I learned how bad -1 to hit can be, our baby gargants are bad glass cannons and 35 go down fast as hell.
How would you handle big blocks of Blightkings?
As a Nurgle player myself I can´t see a way to reliably win against Sons of Behemat.
Blightkings only get a 5++ if there is a Harbinger of Decay in the opposing army (160 points) and it forces them to stay together.
Plaguebearers only get their -1 to hit in melee if they are at least 20 strong. THerefore they are mostly fielded in blobs of 30 (300 points).
Blightkings are only dangerous if they are fielded as part of a certain battalion to give them all rend -1 (140 points). In addition, they are really swingy when it comes to damage being caused due to the fact that they heavily rely on exploding 6s.
Therefore in a 1500 points game the Nurgle player has to pay quite a lot of points to get "good" units, which essentially means "not half bad".
for the battalion he needs a Lord of Blight (which can hand out -1 to hit too). That´s 740 points in units that do nothing on the table but be support. In a 1500 point game?
And don´t forget that such an army is quite low on numbers. Sure, you can run Plaguebearers in units of 30, but they won´t do anything in offense, basically they are the definition of a sitting duck. And they are extremely slow if they don´t field a Great Unclean One or at least a sorcerer.
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21 hours ago, Darnok said:
Greetings fellow fatties! Not wanting to start a new thread over this, so:
- How do people in general feel about Ogres on square bases being used in AoS? Any experiences with it? And how do square bases play out in gameplay terms anyway?
Based on the online store Ogors come with 40mm round bases. They used to be on 40mm square bases. That means, technically...
...you are able to get a larger footprint with the square bases due to fact that a diameter of 40mm square is roughly 1.4 times wider than a 40mm round base.
...you won´t get any benefit in combat though.
I never cared about the bases when I played AoS in casual games. In tounaments I think you have to go with the round bases.
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10 hours ago, Darnok said:
As for waiting: on the one hand, WotE seems to have some interesting and unique content, which on the other hand might get incorporated into the base rules come AoS3. I am pretty sure I won't get any gaming in before mid to late summer anyway, so on paper it would be wise to wait...
I can see your point. And with the high speed release schedule in mind I am doing the same right now. I buy the rules AFTER I finish an army, because I do not want to invest in books I will never use. 40k 8th edition brought that whole rules disaster to a new – formerly unknown – level. These campaign books that were released for quite a few factions became almost invalid shortly after being released. At least a big part of the rules are not useable right now.
Maybe you can get it for cheap on the second hand market. Ruleswise there still is wahapedia. ;)
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9 hours ago, Darnok said:
Coming from 40K with a mixed Daemons army, from what I've read so far the LoCA is the correct approach to AoS for me. What battletomes would I need right now? I would wait for BR: Belakor anyway, but would it also make sense to maybe even wait for the net edition alltogether?
You just need a copy of Wrath of the Everchosen book. All unit warscrolls can be found on the GW website.
Wether it´s better to wait for a next edition or not – you have to decide. Because you really don´t need that much in terms of rules / battletomes, you can start right here. Just the Everchosen book, nothing else. Legion of Chaos Ascendant is one of the cheaper armies right now when it comes down to rules / terrain you have to buy.
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4 hours ago, Tiberius501 said:
Would this be an alright list?
Any suggestions? And also which sub-faction should I go?
heroes
- Chaos Lord on Karkadrak (General)
Most often seen with Gorecleaver (artifact weapon)
4 hours ago, Tiberius501 said:- Chaos Lord
It´s only useful for its double pile in and fight ability. Maybe on the Knights. But on the other hand, you almost get another 5 Knights for this dude.
4 hours ago, Tiberius501 said:- Bloodsecrator
- Aspiring Deathbringer
I guess you should have a look at the Slaughterpriests. They are the best tools in your toolbox.
4 hours ago, Tiberius501 said:Battleline
- 10x Chaos Warriors
- 10x Chaos Warriors
I´d made them 15 and 5 if you really want to run that many Warriors. 15 will get their "reroll saves" longer, 5 is enough to stay near your back objective.
4 hours ago, Tiberius501 said:- 30x Bloodletters
I´d drop these. IMO they are nothing but a gamble. Though you´ll need some to summon.
Take everything with a grain of salt.
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1 hour ago, Gristlegut said:
I might try this. One thought I had was pairing up a Daemon prince with a soulgrinder. The nurgle command ability for the DP makes your opponent eat d3 MW for every 6 on hit rolls.
No, it´s d3 MW if your opponent rolls at least one 6. See the Errata for slaves to darkness.
Nevertheless I think the Daemon Prince is a good addition because it is one of the more offensive pieces in our faction.
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3 hours ago, Iksdee said:
Could i also use the Poison Wind Mortar as a second Warpfire Thrower?
That would free up some more points and a Leader slot.Why not? There is no reason for confusion because the model itself actually is not playable.
Also, a good addition to your collection might be the Warcry Skaven boxed set if you can still get it anywhere. It included an other unit of Clanrats as well as a couple of Rat Ogors and some Giant Rats.
Or the Start Collecting Clans Pestilens, because you can build a Warplightning Cannon as well as a Grey Seer on Bell out of that Box.
For your last points you could easily fit in a Verminlord OR a Grey Seer with some endless spells.
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1 hour ago, Battlefury said:
Would there be an example for a list? I am coming back after a long time and have no idea of that possibility.
I´m not that deep into the rules, but the basics seem to be:
- Bloodsecrator for +1 to attack and kind of magic defense
- Bloodstoker for increasing the charge distance as well as giving rerolls to wound
- Slaughterpriest for +1 to hit as well as +1 to save
- there is a command ability of one of the Bloodthirsters that gives you 6" pile in if an opponent is within 6"
You can see a battle report here:
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Well, these days you can simply run Archaon with some support and have a nice time.
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17 hours ago, Kasper said:
Been looking at Nurgle since the recent talk about upgrades to Sloppity etc. Im wondering though.. These lists with tons of Plaguebearers, how are they gonna play compared to the Blightking spam? From what I can see you are getting more bodies on the board, and while that has a lot of merit you will have significantly less damage output and significantly less total wounds. So what is really the point beyond simply getting to play with some other models? Feels like you will still have the same weaknesses while not really solving any of the current issues.
Whenever I play with blobs of Plaguebearers I run them 30 strong, use our support to enhance their speed and sit them on objectives. with Witherstave nearby they are pretty ressilient (-1 to hit, opponent has to reroll sixes to hit, 5+, 5++) and have enough bodies to defend the objective.
Damage output is a big problem, yes. That is why I don not really enjoy playing the faction right now.
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On 4/2/2021 at 5:00 PM, Gristlegut said:
Howdy Nurglings,
Starting an escalation league that will go through the summer. It will start at 1,000 moving to 1,250, 1500, then 2,000. Looking to do Thricefold at 2k but I am a bit stumped on a 1k list. The new warscrolls has me a bit confused.
Do you have to use the smaller lists as part of the larger ones?
On 4/2/2021 at 5:00 PM, Gristlegut said:I can support a full mortal or demon list. I don't have any StD units except for Be'lakor. I also have 40 plague monks. I am sure this has been asked a million times but would love to get suggestions for a competitive 1k and how you would build it as the escalation goes by. I can supply battle reports as I go.
Can not really help here. A block of 30 Plaguebearers has handed me every single win I ever had, though these were led by a GUO which means more than 600 points gone. From there, a fast hero for summoning shenanigans and a second battleline.
1000points also allow for a min Blightcyst battalion but I never won with an elite Nurgle army.
Maybe a mixture of 2x Blightkings + Plaguemonks + heros?
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13 hours ago, Russ said:
I am not sure we can use the battalion yet. I would hope so but we can’t use the other Nurgle battalions as they do not have LOCA on them.
Oh yes, you´re right. But the pictures I saw in the preview videos didn´t show any allegiance at all. Therefore I´m not sure where you can use them at all.
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Hi guys,
I have a bunch of Khorne Daemons lying around, but I´m sick of painting red. Any other suitable color schemes?
HTG
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8 minutes ago, Peegee said:
I agree with that, my take being in LoCA (Ruinous Aura) you have the double 5++ ward . But probably it's better in Maggotkin lists where everything synergizes better with them.
There is no double ward in this game any longer.
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On 3/29/2021 at 8:52 PM, Peegee said:
Hey y'all!
What's the general opinion on the new Slopity Bilepiper in LoCA lists? His new buffs are pretty yummy and since Plaguebearers and Verminlord Corruptor are already staples in the allegiance, I believe he's a good addition.
I think he is a good addition, though I have yet to play a game.
On 3/29/2021 at 8:52 PM, Peegee said:And the new small Battalion is a pretty cheap way to add an artefact and a CP to a list.
Happy to hear and discuss opinions.
The Battallion is basically for free, though it´s rather expensive. I´d only run it as
- Piper
- Scrivener
- 30 Plaguebearers
- 10 Plaguebearers
which comes to 710 points if my math is right. I´m not sure wether 290 points in squishy support characters is ok, to me it rather seems to be too expensive.
Though you´re right with the artifact and cp, but the cp can be get for 50 pts and the artifacts don´t seem to be gamechangers at all.
I´m really not sure. I´d like to run a Nurgle – Tzeentch army but I can´t find a suitable list.
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15 hours ago, mojojojo101 said:
-Avoid investing too many points into a single model/unit. Some of the bigger models and tougher units are nearly impossible to deal with when at lower point values and they can feel pretty horrible to play against.
I second this statement. Well said!
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3 hours ago, meatpipeline said:
The new battalion is a cheaper way for Nurgle Daemon lists to get an extra artifact. It also allows more mix of battleline (for the battleline tax). Both are an advantage over a Tallyband based list. I could see using the battalion with a LoA general + Pusgoyles or a unit of BKs as the remaining battleline instead of going full PBs. I don't think it will be competitive, but it does allow for some interesting lists.
I think that´s a good point. Unfortunately I do not own any Blightkings. But you´re right: You could get Blight Cyst + new battalion in the same list.
3 hours ago, meatpipeline said:I'll be back with some list ideas after I can tinkering around a bit...
Like to see it. ;)
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Regarding your musings on Fourfold Blade: You´re right, it doesn´t increase the damage output to a new level. It was just a rules question, not a tactics discussion. I thibk the "no pile in " song on a Corruptor is golden. As well as on a bunch of Beasts of Nurgle. I will try this as soon as possible.
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3 hours ago, Grimrock said:
I've been thinking about plague drones and now you can easily stack +4 attacks on a unit if you bring a great unclean one along. Think about that, 16 attacks per model for plague drones. Or you could go +3 attacks (for a total of 13 each) and mortals on a 6 to hit, or +3 and an extra rend on all attacks. Taking a unit of 6 and launching it up the board turn one can be a legitimately terrifying alpha strike now.
Sounds good. But my experience with GW tells me that I´m NOT going to invest in a unit of 6 Drones just to get that combo stomped after the next rules update (be it a new battletome or anything else).
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Bilepiper should be great with a Verminlord Corruptor with Fourfold Blade in Legion of Chaos Ascendant btw. He deals lots of MW and is save from retaliation in that round of combat.
BTW what if you cast that MW song on a Corruptor with Forfold Blade? Will you get D3 MW on a roll of 5 (Forfold Blade) and 2x d3 MW on a roll of 6 (Fourfold Blade and Song)? Insane.
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The new Vanari Bladelords can become battleline (one unit will be battleline for each SCINARI HERO in your army). There is nothing written about "battleline in your LRL army".
Ellania and Ellathor can be used as allies in any army that has an ORDER general. These are SCINARI.
Does this mean you can have a unit of Bladelords as battleline in ANY army that has an ORDER general?
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Rules for the battalion:
- contains bilepiper, scrivener and 2 units of Plaguebearers
- the first time a unit of Plaguebearers from this battalion is destroyed, get a new unit of Plaguebearers (10 men) with normal "deepstrike" rules, though only in your territory.
- if the Bilepiper from this battalion is your general, he has to get a rather rubbish command trait (+1 bravery to units nearby)
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Points from a different source:
Bilepiper 150
Scrivener 140
Beasts of Nurgle 120
Battalion 120 (which is basically for free regarding the free 10 men unit of Plaguebearers you might get sooner or later)
I like the rules for the Bilepiper, though I think this points costs are steep. I´ll try and build some lists, but I´m not sure you can get all the new shiny toys in a workable army, at least NOT with Thricefold, which is a shame.
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6 hours ago, mojojojo101 said:
Pretty sure the new warscrolls are on the NZ website,
You´re right.
Quotethey all look a lot better, all look a lot better, genuinely considering starting a Nurgle's Menagerie list (definitely not in the expectation it will be 'good') in the 2nd half of the year unless something particularly fancy comes along.
Nice looking rules. But it depends on the points cost of Scrivener and Bilepiper.
Beasts of Nurgle are the damage dealing unit of Nurgle now. The rules seem to better fit the model now. It´s pretty awesome.
EDIT: Bilepiper with a bunch of Beasts of Nurgle = MW fun! Or you abuse the "no pile in" with some 8-wound Beasts.
Though we need points costs to see if we can get a well build Thricefold with the new pieces. I somewhat doubt. It would be the first time that GW did anything good for my collection.
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1 hour ago, Nagash42 said:
skaven corrupter lol.
Yes of course. But other than that?
A Slaanesh Herald on chariot has 6 attacks, leading to 4 MW on average. On the charge he can get even more.
Don´t know if there is anything better.
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In Wrath of the Everchosen there is a Slaanesh Battalion that asks for 6 units of DAEMONETTES. In the new Slannesh battletome several units own the DAEMONETTE keyword though.
Are these two keywords the same?
for the battalion he needs a Lord of Blight (which can hand out -1 to hit too). That´s 740 points in units that do nothing on the table but be support. In a 1500 point game?
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A Mega Gargant offers a 4+ save, meaning with rend -1 you still have a 5+ save.
A Blightking offers 3 attacks, which on a 6 to hit become d6 hits. That is, on average, 3 * 0.5 + 3 * 1/6 * 3.5 = 3.25 hits per Blightking per attack phase or 1.44 wounds caused to a Mega Gargant per attack phase.
That means you need roughly 24 Blightkings to kill a Mega Gargant in one go.
To do this, the Nurgle player hast to invest 700 points to field those 24 Blightkings as well as 280 points to get the mandatory Hero and Battalion to get rend -1.
It is possible that you lost your Mega Gargant way faster, but that might be purely bad luck.