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Those Hurakan rules look like a Nation, much like the way Ymetrica currently interacts with the Stoneguard.

Definitely glad I ordered 2x Windchargers. Wondering now if 4x will ultimately be the goal.

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8 minutes ago, Tiberius501 said:

Yep mine’s around the same now I’m going all in with a full army. Gotta love AU prices

Depending on the status of the new units and army options I may still need 20 more wardens and sentinels.... 

(I may have gotten distracted and purchased and built 2k plus of DoK after LRL launched...)

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23 hours ago, SirSalabean said:

My order is ending up around £400 full price 😱

Heh mine was $1150ish Australian (fortunately under $1k with LGS discount, but not a lot).

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I suggest Bloodwrack Shrine + Slaughter Queen in 1k, the Shrine is a more durable general and the infantry SQ has the main things you run her for anyway. This also frees up points to give you options.

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On 9/23/2020 at 10:42 PM, JackStreicher said:

Truly magnificent!

 

edit: care to share the colors used?

Thanks.

And no problems providing the colours!

It is worth nothing that nearly every part of the elf features 2 colours - Hiril Blue and Army Painter Purple Tone, what this does is tie the models together because as your eye moves over the model it sees these colours.

Green areas are mostly done by air-brush using Scale Colour paints.

• Eldandil Violet first then layer Arphen Jade from increasingly vertical angles so the lower areas still have the purple visible through the green faintly. Finally a zenith highlight with 50/50 Arphen Jade:Hiril Blue.
  (When the edges are painted and washed, touch ups are applied as needed. The purple wash should make a "black line" between the Hiril or the steel and the green.)

Edges:

• Scale Colour Hiril Blue base, then wash with Army Painter Purple Tone, and highlight with a couple of layers of thinned Reaper Maggot White, if you wish you can add a further focus highlight of a pure white.

Ribbons, Helm Feathers etc:

• Base Reaper Maggot White, wash with thinned Scale Colour Hiril Blue, then highlight with Reaper Maggot White (again can add a pure white highlight if desired)

"Gold"

• Vallejo Air Bright Bronze, washed with Army Painter Purple Tone, highlighted with Bright Bronze (and a mix of Bright Bronze and Vallejo Air Silver on characters and the banner)

"Steel"

• Vallejo Air Chainmail, washed with Army Painter Purple Tone, highlighted with Vallejo Air Silver

Leather

• Reaper Oiled Leather, the purple wash, highlighted back with the oiled leather.

Gems

• Vallejo Air Gory Red base, Reaper Magma Red bottom half,  Reaper Lava Orange bottom 1/3 and a pure white spotlight. 

Wood

• Reaper Muddy Brown washed with Army Painter Dark Tone and a Muddy Brown highlight.

As my elves are blue... their skin is Reaper Sapphire Blue highlighted with Vallejo Mehca Sky Blue.

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22 hours ago, Wyliekyote said:

Holy Jebus.... finally finished ONE of my Dawnriders.... Getting it together at the end was... frustrating to say the least.  For the collective:

-Do yall build and paint them in sub assemblies?

-If so, how easy/hard was the final build?  For me getting the reigns/hand to stay put was maddening.  His body and legs were ok, but luckily the armor covers up the minor gaps.  I just hope the shield fits... lol  

-If not, how do you find the painting?  Im not that steady yet, so I err on the side of sub's to make sure I don't have to keep painting and repainting the same area.  (Watching videos like the Duncan Rhodes ones sometimes make me want to cut off my hands... How does he get in there?!?!)

-Should I add a skull to the Lava Base?  lol... keep forgetting that I have them.  

 

 

 

I assembled except for the shields.

I lay down the armour's main colour with an airbrush - so that part is quite fast. It was figuring out how to do the edging and runes that slowed my progress down.

When you are painting do you focus on using the point of the brush or do you also use the side of it? Using the side makes a lot of those decorative elements much easier to paint. Picking out details like the gems (I'd suggest green for your scheme) also goes a long way to pushing the models up a degree without taking a lot of time (shadow over whole gem, midtone over bottom half, highlight the very bottom, put a single tiny pure white dot on the highest point - its fast and adds a lot).

My main time saver was "paint for the table", so I didn't worry too much about being "perfect" as I painted. So if you go over individual models carefully you find mistakes and areas where things could be better - but put 5-10 of them on the table 2-3 feet away and they look great. That said they still took a while to paint, but that is the nature of the beast with so many colours happening on a model.

If you paint the main colour of the fabric, then base colour (even if it is the pure white you have now) of the edging, patch up in splash over, then wash the whole fabric bit including the trim with the shadow for the main colour, then come back and highlight the trim. This will make patching any splash over easier as you'll mostly be restoring base colour to the main fabric area. Then highlight the blue and done.

Finally - be sparing with skulls, they're "good" elves not Chaos or Destruction.

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Finished the Wardens today, they were so much less painful to paint after doing the Dawnriders and working out tricks to getting it done faster.

So that makes the starter done! I should have a Cathallar, 10 more Wardens and 5 more Dawnriders in the next couple of days which will let me scrape a 1k list together so I can play some games while I work on getting the other models I want for my actual list (I hate the Australia Tax GW imposes on us).

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Well got my starter Dawnriders done, just in time for 5 more to arrive this week.

I have had to think about these a lot as I painted them and finally have a fast (well sort of) way to get them done.  Still quite time consuming though.

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5 hours ago, woolf said:

And when it comes to tournament play I dont think NPE should be a concern at all, if you really want to maximise then just get the "best" and most "OP" army yourself... So for a show that is explicitly focused on tournament play I find it maybe a bit strange to put so much emphasis on it. When it comes to them discussing the overall health of the game etc, yea I think its a valid thing to discuss. And for local play with friends, for sure NPE can be an issue but in a healthy group it will self-regulate

I don’t come at NPE from an AoS perspective (I have plenty of experience with NPE through other games), but LRL doesn’t seem to be able to generate the sort of situation that is really required to shape a broad NPE against the list.

There are already lists that counter it (various alpha-striking lists and some others depending on the LRL strategy you are looking at) and a number of strategic approaches that mitigate the effectiveness of LRL lists based on Teclis.

Much of the complaints I’ve seen in videos have been more rooted in having to actually consider something new (a magic phase dominant list with board control tools in that phase. It seems that is new?) rather than the LRL actually being strong inherently. The cries of NPE seem much more tied to a new list that requires revision of strategy rather than the LRL’s ability to inherently dominate games.

TBH alpha-strike lists of the sort that can kill Teclis turn 1 seem far more damaging to the game (ie NPE) from a new player perspective than anything LRL is bringing to the table. 

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On 7/19/2020 at 6:04 AM, Chumphammer said:

Hmm, yeah I suppose it it makes you one model it might work like that. I didnt think that was the case 

Well its text says they become one model, and your wizard can move. (Isn't there another endless that already works like that?)

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And my scheme largely sorted with Eltharion all done:

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1 hour ago, Gobboz said:

For those who have painted Eltharion. Is it easy to paint fully assembled or do you recommend sub-assembly for painting?

If (or when) I paint him again I’ll want to paint the cloak separate, there are a number of annoying spots to get done with the cloak attached.

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Having gone thropugh the GHB 2020 today I'm feeling like we have a lot of answers for the general structure of Objective play. You will have to play the objectives, but it looks like we have a good capacity to do just that.

Ymetrica seems to be the least competitive of the GNs for the current environment set up by the GHB2020. Though I can see them performing well in the Meeting Engagement format where their low(er) cost for battleline and the smaller table size over comes some of their issues.

Not sure that Iliatha needs to be built around MSU based strategies, though I understand how MSU benefits from it. That said looking at the batteplans I wonder if larger units of sentinels screened by small units of wardens isn't a better base for them.

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I’m not enamoured of the prospect of assembling 15 more Dawnriders, but...

There are 2 extra helm fronts (the “leader” helm) and at least 1 extra helm back with a different design. So across 2 units this let’s you easily have 2 different sets of heads. (Or you can save them up to avoid cow helms like I plan to do...)

The lance arms should be pretty easy to reposition a little so that the same base has a slight variation in pose. Adding pennants to some of them will change it up even more for quick table viewing.

I generally agree with ChrisNoAnts’ assessment of them though. (Mind I just left the shields off, nothing else seemed an issue for assembled painting.)

 

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15 minutes ago, fenriswolf2003 said:

How do I give my wizards more spells? I am starting AoS with this army. On the warsroll of the cathalar is written it knows mystic shield, arcane shot and his own spell. However the list a few comments above gives the cathalar and the wardens two more spells out of the lore of hysh (the lore where everyone but the Alarith have access to). How?

Top of page 68: "chose or roll for one spell from one of the following tables for each Wizard". This is also where Teclis gets all the spells from.

The Lore of Hysh and Lore of the High Peaks then specify which wizards can roll/choose on those tables.

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31 minutes ago, Chumphammer said:

Looks pretty solid. Only thing I would try and squeeze in would be 5 or 10 dawnriders. I think they dd a lot of value to the list as a support unit or late game obj cap unit 

Oh, in my tinkering for serious lists I'm running running the Dawnriders, the above list is purely for thematic amusement, the fact is might work for casual play just makes it more amusing

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When you stop trying to build a serious list for Iliatha....

Avalenor, the Stoneheart King (360)
- General
L'aura Pa'lmer (140)
Scinari Cathallar
- Artefact: Silver Wand
- Lore of Hysh: Ethereal Blessing
D'ale Kuuper (130)
Alarith Stonemage
- Artefact: Simulcra Amulet
- Lore of the High Peaks: Voice of the Mountain
Harri S'truman (130)
Alarith Stonemage
- Artefact: Ebony Stone
- Lore of the High Peaks: Entomb
20 x Vanari Auralan Wardens (240)
- Lore of Hysh: Speed of Hysh
20 x Vanari Auralan Wardens (240)
- Lore of Hysh: Speed of Hysh
10 x Vanari Auralan Sentinels (140)
- Lore of Hysh: Protection of Hysh
10 x Vanari Auralan Sentinels (140)
- Lore of Hysh: Protection of Hysh
Alarith Spirit of the Mountain (340)
Auralan Legion (120)
 

Note there are bugs in the Warscroll Builder app - it incorrectly makes 1 Sentinel and 1 Dawnrider unit Battleline per Warden unit, and it also doesn't include the Iliatha artefact

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10 hours ago, Beliman said:

Even if they try to unbind it, they need to be at 30". That means that they should  be in range of lumineth archers and the enemy will have one less unbind. Another option could be to just summon it from 30,1" from enemy unbinders (it has 12" range).

I think this idea is a key thing, giving your opponent an array of spells they may need to unbind.

At 30 points I don't see a reason not to take the Twinstones (outside of a Ymetrica Stoneguard based list), their benefit to us is large and your opponent in many cases will have to choose between you getting +1 to cast or getting off other more directly annoying spells to them. Making opponents make choices like this is a key part of the list.

Yes there will be lists out there that can match your caster numbers, but those lists are why you don't want your whole strategy to hinge on casting spells.

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2 hours ago, Saturmorn Carvilli said:

Nation: Ymetrica

Should be 1940-1980pts depending on the Endless Spell added .  Not sure if I got the Battleline stuff sorted right.  The app doesn't seem to say something is wrong, but that doesn't mean didn't see it. 

 

With Ymetrica those Stoneguard are Battleline, so just in Wardens and Stoneguard you have 4 battleline, with the way Wardens work plus your Sentinels you have 6 Battleline.

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New to AoS and trying to understand artifacts.

In the following:
GN: Ilithia

1x Eltharion
1x Cathalar (General)
2x Wardens
2x Sentinels
1x Auralan Legion

Can Eltharion get the Simulacra Amulet or must it go to the Cathalar?

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Remember the “square bases” announcement a few months back? I wouldn’t be surprised to see Tyrion’s armies be reserved for that. 
 

Oh this is also my first AoS proper purchase, I’ve purchased Sylvaneth start collecting kits before for a non-GW use, but LRL I got for AoS. The “complete starting point” was a good sell for me.