W1tchhunter
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Dunno I feel like marauders are better than all cultists combined. Iron golems are decent for tanking and untamed beasts are good for quick objective capture. But you don't need marks on untamed beasts to do that and reinforcing them is pointless as they do 0 damage and won't live a round of combat.
I think this white dwarf update was needed. But at the end of the day, cultists and Co should have had this stuff from day one, at worst the first faq. The fact that this is what we have got after the books been out what, a year now? Is a bit ******
Also why didn't the fomoroid and Sphiranx not get marks? Mind-boggling.
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Just to derail, and as I'm probably getting a reputation at this point for asking stupid questions...
Can ravagers pick from the universal traits as well when picking for each hero? The writing says If your general is not a DAEMON PRINCE, you can pick 1 command trait for up to 5 different friendly RAVAGERS HEROES (excluding DAEMON PRINCES) in addition to the command trait your general can have.
This doesn't state pick one ravagers Command Trait.
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57 minutes ago, annarborhawk said:
I'm only really disappointed if it's true this puts-off a 3.0 tome. If it doesn't effect are place in the que, fine.
I guess I'm holding out hope because we still don't have individual kits for Warriors, Knights, and Crack Lord. Maybe when they get around to releasing those (where they obviously already have the molds ready to go) we can see that paired with a new tome.
IDK, I guess what we got is Tzeentch Marked Iron Golems as a good battleline choice for holding objectives. Maybe incentive to go with hordes of cheap cultists to MSU area control the table. And the two new battle tactics will make it easier to score 5 per game. The battalions help reduce drops.
Blah. Just more reason to play a passive, defensive game aimed at controlling two objectives all game and scoring 5 battle tactics, all whilst your more deadly opponent tries to kill your stubborn units. That's just not fun for anyone.
Yeah tbf your not wrong with the last bit
Wont tzeentch marked Iron golems pretty much always be a better choice than warriors now? Between coherency and just generally having bad weapon profiles they don't do any damage so survivability is there only thing. Iron golems will keep the plus 1 to save under 10 units and are much cheaper.
Edit: Well I guess warriors have 2 wounds each but your definitely paying for it.
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1 minute ago, Boar said:
I get what you are all saying re: background/rules, but that's exactly why putting too much hope in WD patch seemed off. It just was stopgap measure (for additional battle tactic mostly), we saw just that with SoB.
Tbf since I started playing those two are the only white dwarf updates I've seen, and SOB are already really good and aren't in need of rules rewrites haha I expected just some battle tactics and battalions for them.
You're not wrong that I've totally hyped myself up for this, but my best friend is a stormcast player who keeps sending me pictures of the ballista crew and saying how sharp there sextants are 😜
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8 minutes ago, Boar said:
Finally Ogroid with Mark, and Warqueen and Cultist too. Nice.
As could be expected looking at SoB WD changes we got strategy, tactic and battalions, and Mark of Chaos patch as extra. I honestly don't know why people were hoping for some indepth rewrite, there lies road to dissapointment.Well alot of our stuff needs a good rewrite but probably doesn't warrant a full book release to fix, so a few pages in white dwarf could have really helped us out. Now we probably won't get a new book for another year and a half. This has led me to feelings of disappointment
Also cultists are all absolutely ass, having access to marks won't change that imo. Pretty much our whole army barring Archaon has no good rend and no good MW output, so if everything goes the new stormcast route giving things 3 saves we won't kill anything, and to top that off, the thing we was good at was staying alive and again if the stormcast book is anything to go by everything gets rend now so yeah.
What Enoby said was a brilliant write up about the army at the moment, and i just don't see us getting fixed any time soon. This white dwarf was kinda my last hope haha.
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1 hour ago, Holy_Diver said:
It means that I have seen the pages for the macthed from a private chat. Everything remains as it is now, with the following additions:
- Ogroid, chieftain, Warqueen, and cultists can have the mark. Cultists who have been given the mark become battlines.
- grand strategy: if there is a t least 1 friendly SLAVES unit wholly within each larga quarter of the battlefield, at end of the battle you score the strategy.
- one tactic for not have wihin 12" any enemy from a obj and another for rollin in the eye of the gods table.Is that it... 🥺
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Ah ****** I thought the universal rule trumped it. Twas only in one friendly game cause the list i ran had alot of proxies :P.
Ignore me then, yeah Ensorcelled weapons suck
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Ah ****** I thought the universal rule trumped it. Twas only in one friendly game cause the list i ran had alot of proxies :P.
Ignore me then, yeah Ensorcelled weapons suck
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Ah yeah I get what you mean. Tbf I think varanguard could do with just getting the blood knights treatment as well regarding weapons. Lance and demonblade in one profile but rend and damage changes on the charge. Keep the demonblade as is regarding 6s but maybe if they felt wild change it to 6s do MW on wounds if they don't change the slaanesh mark.
Have the chaos knights do the same with there lances but keep the Ensorcelled weapons on them. That way all three weapons are still represented, but varanguard are still obviously superior.
Also just found out the stromcast ballista CREW have rend on there melee weapons 😜 what the hell are our chaos warriors swords made of?? Wood??
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15 hours ago, NinthMusketeer said:
Right now there isn't one, the daemon weapons are just better.
I used Ensorcelled Weapons with slaanesh marked Varanguard using Arcane Tome and flaming weapon, they did alot of work.
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9 hours ago, NinthMusketeer said:
Eh, a SCE chariot should be more badass than an StD one. Blessed by the gods they may be (well, one of the riders) but an StD chariot is still something constructed and crewed by mortals. The SCE chariot is not only constructed in divine forges, but the individuals riding it are the elites of an already elite order of warrior-immortals. A thunderstrike SCE is as much to a basic Chaos Warrior as said warrior is to a Marauder.
But that leads back to my first sentence. It is OK for the SCE version to be more badass, but the StD version isn't even any amount of badass to start with and that's the problem across the army. Hell without the extra wound warriors would be worth less than marauders, and even that is only because marauders have a ludicrously overpowered charge ability rather than decent stats.
Yeah i totally agree with you, well said. I also think our chaos chosen units should be on par with the SCE elite units. I'd argue that it's harder to become a Chaos chosen than be cherry picked by sigmar
same goes for our heroes really barring Archaeon and the Crackerjack they are all pretty squishy, we definitely don't have a hammer wielding maniac capable of 4 damage swings
My biggest annoyance (and this is me probably being petty :P) is the fact that the Hounds pulling it have 6 attacks! Hit and wound on 3s! And have -2 rend! And then we've got our most elite soldiers the varanguard who are riding on steroid buffed ripped horses with teeth the size of swords hitting on 4s 3s and 0 rend haha.
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Sooo, new stormcast rules really make our battleline look like weak pieces of ****** huh. Especially the chariots
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55 minutes ago, Charleston said:
While we all agree here, I am afraid this wont happen as many people already own knights so buffing them won't boost sales that much
I mean if the new start collecting box knights where put into a box by themselves with weapon options people would buy them. Same for the warriors.
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2 hours ago, annarborhawk said:
Agreed. Chaos Knights - at a minimum - should be made to be a reasonably effective hammer unit with even a modest buff. And if they need to be made 200 pts along with it, I'd be more than happy.
I just checked my lil points book, blood knights are only 195 for 5
Our knights could do that 😛
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35 minutes ago, Grimrock said:
Maybe a few warscrolls will get rewrites? I played against a blood knight heavy soulblight army recently and they were pretty much everything I could ever want in heavy cavalry. Give the knights the statline for ensorcelled and +1 damage/-1 rend on the charge, a 3+ save, and if I'm being really greedy the mortal wound ability from ruinbringers. Then make them the same cost as blood knights and I think we'd be rolling.
If knights where like this I would be SOOO happy.
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Do we think we will ever be able to buy the new warriors separately in a box of 20 with changeable weapons? (Same question for knights I guess lances suck
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Just now, annarborhawk said:
Well, as it stands, we can't really kill anything. So the least they can do for us make it difficult for us to be killed.... I'm using it until I can't.
Can't argue with that haha 😛
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15 minutes ago, annarborhawk said:
Yeah, I'm re-marking to Undivided from Tzeentch for an upcoming game vs. LRL.
It's going to be more about mortal wound defense than buffing normal saves, I think. Warrior blob can be 5+/6+/6+ vs. mortals with general's aura near shrine. Kark Lord general with amulet of destiny near shrine can be 5+/5+/6+/6+ vs mortals.
No way is that ward save stacking sticking around, there's no point playing games using it.
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12 minutes ago, Charlo said:
Oh, its in legends
I guess not viable at a lot of events anymore then!
Oh what really? So there's two monster arcanums?
Found it, deeply depressed. Sorry for everyone who's hopes I got up 😢
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9 minutes ago, Charlo said:
Yeah, the War Mammoth isn't in the PDF?
Warhammer legends, monstrous arcanum page 6
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Please ignore, apparently I really cant read..
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15 minutes ago, Charleston said:
Hi,
so I would encourage you to read some of the rules about listbuilding and restrictions. Best source for this is the first section of the GHB, or the core rulebook. I am afraid there are some misconceptions. The Warscroll-Builder provides you with most important information. Check out the bottom summary. It informs you about how many artifacts, allies and so on you are allowed to take for the selected battle size. You currently have 6/5 heroes and 3/2 artifacts (althrough it is worth noting that for some weird reason the app shows 3/1, most propably because you didn't selected Artifact as your additional Enchancement).
As for the List: Lord on Manticore looks fine, I played it in a similar fashion. From my experience you might consider another spell because the Warscroll one and the Whispers are quite similar (althrough both have differnt purpose, one beeing pure damage and the other more utility). Your footslogging CSL looks like a bit of an Overkill. A 5 wounds hero with Arcane Tome may attract more shooting than you'd like to. Also keep in mind that the Spiketounge Curse can easily kill your own hero in many cases. I am not 100% sure about bloodhounds outside of Khorne but as I never played them I might underestimate them. DP of Khorne is always nice. I have to check out the other Ravagers Stuff tbh because I don't remember all the Artifact Rules here.
Btw it is way easier for us to comment on your list when you copypaste it as plain text. Screenshots are harder to comment/edit.
I've come to learn that the app is very unreliable when it comes to the rules haha. The GHB states in a 2000 point game you can have 1-6 heroes. The reason I have 3 artefacts is 1 just because, 2 for the Warlord battalion and 3 for the Command entourage.
I know having the Arcane tome on lil wiz is risky, but my thought process behind it is, if I'm facing a shooting army as slaves I've probably lost anyway 😛 also the artefacts in general for Ravagers are pretty terrible, I thought with having the endless spell it could be helpful casting 2 spells because due to his Command Trait he can reroll a failed cast role once per phase. Spike tongue curse was just a random pick really, if the enemies close enough for him to use it, he's probably in trouble anyway and if he does fail his cast I can reroll it cause of his Trait.
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I'm just awful at list building, but I'm trying not to rely to much on using online lists as it's all I've ever really used when I play. I know this isn't probably competitive in anyway (dunno if it's even legal :p) I've made the list mostly using units I really like (except the exalted hero, what a genuine piece of ****** hero he his but I needed a 6th). Anything that could be improved without changing the whole list? Mostly wanting to know if the traits and artefacts are good choices.
Also why didn't the fomoroid and Sphiranx not get marks? Mind-boggling.
Wont tzeentch marked Iron golems pretty much always be a better choice than warriors now? Between coherency and just generally having bad weapon profiles they don't do any damage so survivability is there only thing. Iron golems will keep the plus 1 to save under 10 units and are much cheaper. 
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I think only one mount gets a mount trait, unless you 'buy' a second with Warlord.