[AoS 2 - Orruk Warclans Discussion]

5 hours ago, Jabbuk said:

Hey guys, I keep reading about the Orruks Warboss and I looked up on eBay to try to find one. Are you guys using resin models for it? They seem to be discontinued officially, etc. What's your experience with them? Also, is it worth it to get one?

I wouldn't spend much money on it, given that greenskinz have gone the way of legends.

The easiest way would be to see if there were any current/former orc players in your local community willing to sell you one. Tons of those WHFB plastic orc warboss kits have been floating around for years and they include a guy on foot -and- on a boar. Otherwise looks like there are still a lot of the old pewter boar-riding orc warboss floating around on ebay.

[Help noob - Sacrosanct ranged 1k point]

22 minutes ago, l1censetochill said:

Also, one last thing - @NauticalSoup, just so you know, the Aetherwing movement question was answered in the FAQ of the August 2019 White Dwarf, and you can indeed move them within 3" of enemy units to completely prevent charges. You're right, though, that it's an awesome and super powerful ability that is at least partially responsible for making Anvilstrike competitive.

Perfect - thank you for the clarification!

[Help noob - Sacrosanct ranged 1k point]

I have seen people use both longstrikes and hurricanes and the math suggests both hold their own. Longstrikes and hurricanes both recently got a pretty (some would say unjustified nerf) in that their 'stand still' ability doesn't work when you use the anvilhammer CA due to them not technically having stood still yet in the movement phase. Longstrikes lose 6" range which is annoying but probably manageable given their base range isn't bad, while hurricanes lose 30% of their firepower which is a brutal downgrade. I would imagine going forward longstrikes will therefore be preferable most of the time. I haven't played much with either though so I'd look to more competitive players to know for sure.

Aetherwings are not 'necessary' but they ARE rad. This rule is what makes them great:

'At the start of the enemy charge phase, if this unit is wholly within 18" of a friendly unit of VANGUARD-RAPTORS, this unit can move up to 2D6". They must finish the move wholly within 18" of the same unit of VANGUARD-RAPTORS .'

I mentioned screening before. This lets the aetherwings block enemy chargers and protect your soft shooters from getting dogpiled. I haven't had a change to use them much, but I understand that there has historically been some ambiguity about aetherwings being able to move within 3" of enemies with their special move thus 'shutting off' their charge move and wasting a turn - the logic being that this is in the charge phase and is not a normal move, so the 3" limit should not apply. I'd post about this in rules questions though if you want a firm tournament-level answer if this is still allowed though.

[Help noob - Sacrosanct ranged 1k point]

Other more experienced players may be able to help you more with the nitty gritty of listbuilding as I am still a relative novice, but one thing I can tell you is that the competitive anvilstrike shootcast lists all seem to use a big blob of Vanguard-Raptors with Aetherwings. Besides just being a solid pair of units (by SCE standards especially) they couple ideally with the anvilstrike CA since all 9 longstrikes/hurricanes can take an additional second volley, whereas using the CA on a single celestar ballista is... well to be honest, the shooting output of single ballistas without an ordinator is pretty mediocre. Assuming your rend completely obliterates the target's save, and you are in 18", it's still only 2-4 damage per ballista. 5 Judicators produce a similar amount of damage to a single ballista although at a worse rend, so your 10 Judicators will be the best target for the CA and still only dribble damage.

For comparison 9 longstrikes do 11-13 damage (with a sixth of them being mortals) so doubleshooting them lets you clean up a couple critical targets right away - they also have better range. That's not to say celestars are useless, I have 4 and have had success using them coupled with a Lord Ordinator - but if I can't take at least 3 + the Lord I find they perform so poorly that I'd rather save the points for something else that can dish out some real damage, like Evocators. 

Without a really strong target for the Anvilhammer CA (like a massive shooty unit, or even a massive hammer unit like 10 Evos or 6 Evokitties) I wonder if maybe you would be better off just going with no stormhost so you can take Stout Defender. Maybe a more experienced SCE player can weigh in.

Also having played a number of (punishing) 1k games as SCE I am pretty confident in saying you're going to want more than 5 sequitors to screen your  shooters and dracs. It's not ideal but 5 sequitors are pretty easy to either destroy or go around which leaves all your damage dealers completely exposed. I suppose the Judicators can also screen but they're likely serving as your CA outlet so I wouldn't want them to die frivolously protecting units with less damage output.

Important note: you are taking too many artifacts. The army gets one + another for each battalion (zero in your case). Since you are playing a stormhost your one artefact is eaten up by the mandatory soulthief. The tables having different names (scroll, staff, etc) really just serve to indicate who is allowed to take them.

[AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion]

42 minutes ago, Ghiggio said:

Hi guys. I want to start warhammer aos and for my first army I decided to choose the stormcast ethernals. First question, are they competitive right now ? Second question which is the most competitive stormcast list at the moment ?

Thanks a lot

If you read back a few pages in this very thread you will probably be able to answer that question for yourself lol

If you can't be bothered the answers are:
1) No

2) Shootcast ie take a max-sized missile unit like longstrikes and use the CA of Anvil Strike to doubleshoot them (there are a number of good list ideas scattered throughout here but I can't imagine any of them will win you a tournament - SCE seem to be one of the weakest books in the game right now.)

If being competitive is what matters to you there are many better choices.

[Help me build a 2000 point stormcast list]

Thanks for all the guidance!

I will probably run Gotrek occasionally because, to be honest, I like him more than I like the Stormcast and a major motivation to not just sell the SCEs I won was that they could work as an Order shell to run him in. But for games where I want a coherent functional force not hobbled by my favourite dwarf it is good to have some direction, and those list options all seem very manageable to reach with only a handful of added miniatures.

Now I've just got to get painting!

[Battleplan master list]

Was reading the thread about everyone's favourite battleplans, and I'm wondering: is there any sort of master list for battleplans, matched play or otherwise? It would be nice to have a shortlist of documents from which to draw the best plans from. Presumably most are from GHBs and the core book?

[Help me build a 2000 point stormcast list]

Been lurking for a bit. Picked up that SCE are struggling due to their aging book so I'm looking for some guidance on assembling a force (or forces) that can do the most work with the figures that I already own.

I won a Soul Wars box at a local 40k tournament a couple weeks ago and then traded for a second one, so I have two sets of Soul Wars guys which I expanded by grabbing a christmas battlebox & an ETB celestar ballista. This means I have a stable of:

• Lord Arcanum on Gryph-charger (two but can't imagine using both)
• Knight-Incantor (two but can't imagine using both)
• Lord Exorcist
• 25 Sequitors
• 10 Evocators
• 6 Evocators on Cats
• 10 Castigators
• 3 Celestar Ballistas
• Gotrek (friend bought me this a while back before I had any sigmar stuff)

I'm seeing a lot of 'shootcast' lists that use vanguard-raptors and aetherwings - trouble is I don't really want to buy a bunch of the kits they're from, although I could always proxy the castigators in casual games to see if I like it. I am willing to add some stuff, especially characters, but SCE has such an enormous number I'm not really sure which ones are most critical. Some are obvious (Lord Ordinator for ballista blob, Gavriel for Gav-bomb) but after that things start feeling murky.

SCE units are so expensive it seems like I probably need to lean lists into one or two things at a time ie Evocators on Cats OR on foot. I'm also sorta stuck on how to build a list around Gotrek, which is something I definitely want to at least try.