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There's two choices, we continue the Stormcast bloat by adding even more units, or we update older stuff, personally I'd rather update older stuff. Personally I prefer to start updating the older stuff.

I mean based on Indomitus, Dominion and Leviathan we can assumed 20-25 models, spread across 4-5 units (2 battleline ones (presumably update Liberators), and at least 2 more units) and 4-5 characters. One of the figures will likely be a larger more centerpiece one which I'd guess would be a Lord-Celestant on Dracoth update. Personally, if it's mainly updated stuff then I'd be hoping for: 1 Lord-Celestant on Dracoth, 1 Lord-Relictor, 1 Knight-Heraldor, 1 Knight-Arcanum, 1 Knight-medic (new unit), 10 Liberators, 5 Retributors, and either 3 cavalry models or update Prosecutors

Honestly I agree with this 100%, I like the aesthetic of Space Marines and Stormcast (especially the more modern thunderstrike armour) but Stormcast do the characters so much better. The trauma of being taken for forging as their worlds were burning around them, the lost memories with reforging, the otherworldly divinity that begins to creep into them with reforging. And I think stormcast dreadnought golems are much more interesting than flagellants, although I think maybe one soul in each one rather than them being filled with multiple ghiests. They did remove the older Space Marine stuff that got rotated just before 10th ed came out so it makes some sense but I think it'll only be older Stormcast stuff

Thanks for the clarification. I guess all that's left is to wait and see what happens now then. On another note I read the newest Dawnbringers story and with the mention of

I dunno, Whitefang normally reacts with a heart if someone's right about something. Not a thanks. And his own post has been related to Stormcast not BoC

They don't get that one, we've known that Skaven were getting an update in 4th for months. Until we see what's actually being released for them to compare with their alleged rumour it can't be marked as confirmed. And even then they've been even more vague than Valrak talking about AoS with what they said. Likewise with the Chorfs, we've had plenty of hints they're coming over the last year anyway.

Which is the first? 😉

They have in fact even said that someone is on the way to save Hammerhal

Sorry I wasn't aiming my post at you, the original post with the "rumour" was several pages back by another user that people were getting excited about because they previously said we'd see Orcs and Goblins and Dwarves for TOW in January (we only saw one of those and they posted after GW announced they were doing a launch event for the game). They've also never posted any specifics and have only posted like 10 times. That said I wouldn't say it's generating discussion. It's generating a lot of hysteria the same as we get whenever someone mentions duardin being souped or bonesplitters being removed from the range swallowing the actual interesting posts about what could happen with BoC in the future. That said I've not heard that rumour from the LVO, but GW haven't really removed anything in a while beyond some of the CoS stuff ahead of their relaunch and some of the Space Marines ahead of 10th (which again most got replaced by updated equivalents). It also wouldn't shock me for the people running the panel at the LVO to not have been told either way but I still don't think BoC will get removed, just an update eventually with more dynamic poses and new models. That's your prediction, but there's no actual evidence that it's happening.

The faction in AoS is Beasts of Chaos, the faction in TOW is Beastmen. So that ticks the box for what you're talking about with orc or dwarf factions not having the same names then. Also they added rules for armoured squig hoppers with lances in TOW to incorporate options within the newer AoS kit so we know they don't mind kits crossing over. They also didn't mention things like Fanatics and Wolf Riders getting older models re-released but we know they have rules so again they must be fine with the AoS kits being used. Plus they've released multiple plastic kits for Beasts of Chaos, the new Beastlord, the endless spells and the faction terrain, plus the Underworlds warbands. Remember not every faction got endless spells and/or terrain so that shows they have an idea for stuff to do with BoC. There's also the Blackstone Fortress and Kill Team Beastmen, both of which come from the main studio. So we know there are people there who have been working on Beastmen stuff for AoS and 40k in the last few years. In general can we just put this nonsense to rest now, it's all based off a post from a random new member with no more rumour accuracy than getting a half guess about what would be revealed at TOW launch event right, which puts them on the same level of accuracy as Dana Howl's youtube video speculation. At least until we start getting 4th edition news from GW themselves.

It wasn't said by a credible rumour monger so there's nothing too back it up at the moment. He's an influencer either with a source that he isn't clear about or he's an influencer who guessed that chorfs are coming in 4th like many of us here have because it's what a chunk of the community has been expecting for a while. He posted a random vague 4chan rumour, and then said that we'd be seeing Orcs and Goblins and Dwarves by the end of January for TOW, and did so over a week after GW had already announced they were doing a launch event for it at Warhammer World the same as they did for Heresy. There were five factions that could have been previewed there so it was hardly a stab in the dark. Again, GW had already announced a launch event for TOW at Warhammer World before he posted that. It's reiterating existing knowledge with a tiny bit of guess work on a burner account. That's not reliable in the slightest (he was also wrong as he said Dwarves would be previewed too). Honestly it's sometimes shocking how quickly the discourse in this thread falls apart at the barest mention of something moving to legends, bonesplitters or soup. If it happens it'll suck but at least wait until someone more credible backs the rumour up first.

Road maps usually get revealed at Warhammer Fest. The only one that got an update at Adepticon alst year was the AoS one to show where Seraphon and Cities were getting released. Yeah that's the only thing causing me to put any credit to the idea. But it still feels weird to do that way. Although I guess others are effected by FOMO more than me The Kroot box is a weird one. The Seraphon one went up for preorder at the end of April with the full range coming in Summer. The Kroot on the other hand are part of a spring release for T'au which means the box has to be released in a way that both allows enough lead time on the main release, but also not too early that it spoils whatever is getting previewed at Adepticon.

I think the Kroot box set is either end of February or beginning of March with the actual release of the rest of the range and the T'au codex being in late April/early May. Personally I don't think there will be an Ork or Custodes box set but if there is then it'll release alongside the codex as a separate thing and not an early release like the Deathwing and Kroot boxes have been.

They're spring releases, seeming to come in between Dark Angels and T'au according to the roadmap, so they could well be an April release

Specifically they got the Lion, the final Arks of Omen book, the trailer for 10th ed and the first look at the new Terminators and Termagants, so a bumper set of reveals at Adepticon is probably not hoping for too much.

Sorry for the double post but yeah, it's only at the larger events that they stock them at Warhammer World, and then sometimes have some left for a day or two after if they're not heavily scalped

That feels like either a Nurgle model or new terrain

For what its' worth with the event minis, they tend to be available at the UK Games Expo and any events at Warhammer World in the UK. After events any remaining stock is available there whilst it lasts. How long it lasts depends on the model. Last year's Commissar was pretty hard to get a hold of but the Darkoath was fairly easy to get. I know the Primaris Champion that was also difficult to get was available made to order at events too. A Kroot and a Cities of Sigmar figure... I could see both being not too difficult to get but very much worth joining the loot group (or going to an event if you can afford to as they tend to be enjoyable. Mini wise the Kroot is fine, I might get it if I can afford it at the time, the Arch-Knight though is amazing, definitely going to need to try and get myself one.

We'll almost certainly get one more release in winter 2024. It's possible we could get Orruk Warclans as it. There's been a bit of a pattern with the previous editions "enemy" faction getting their new codex as one of the first with a small update. Death Guard got the Lord of Virulence and terrain in winter 2020 Nighthaunt were a little later (early 2022) but were still relatively early in 3rd ed (Maggotkin, Fyreslayers and Idoneth were the only ones ahead of them I think) and got two new characters and a unit. Then Necrons are one of the first for 10th ed with 3 new characters. So I could see us getting a small Kruleboyz wave in Winter.

We're approaching the end of the first decade of AoS, Vandus, Ionus and Khul were the first characters we really delved into at the start so it makes sense from a narrative perspective to revisit them here with new models representing how they've changed to show the progression that's happened in the story. Assuming they reveal nothing between now and Adepticon they can still pack a bunch of stuff in. For February we need the Solar Auxilia box, Lumineth and Nighthaunt Warcry box, Soulblight Underworlds warband, and possibly the Kroot box as well. Then they could easily fill March with Dawnbringers V, the full Dark Angels release, the rest of the Solar Auxilia and the Custodes and Ork codexes and battleforces, plus maybe the Orcs and Goblins stuff for TOW. And that's assuming they don't have a release weekend solely dedicated to some new Necromunda and Blood Bowl resin stuff. They've also shown in the past they can go from preview to preorder pretty quickly so it wouldn't be unrealistic to get the rest of the Kroot previewed at Adepticon and released in April.

Thursday is guaranteed to be Heresy/Imperialis, Monday will probably be the Custode or Ork mini if it's not for Blood Bowl or Necromunda. Honestly beyond Dawnbringers there's not really any slots for AoS releases between now and 4th in my opinion. If they had a surprise battle tome coming we'd have hints of it, and there probably won't be more than the two releases for DB 5 and they won't reveal DB 6 for another month or two.

It's only too many minis when they're able to rise up and overthrow me. But honestly I try to have a set goal for each project. Space Marines and Stormcast are things with no limits but I deliberately won't buy much for them, just adding the new starter box and the odd other purchase too them. Beyond that I try to set a target for what I want to play each army at. My Sylvaneth who I'm currently building are at around 1600 points with the goal being to play 2000 point games with them. So I'll aim for a final point of 3000 points where I consider them enough, to allow me room to switch things around a little. My Drukhari on the other hand are aimed at being a smaller army for playing skirmish games, so I'm aiming for 1000 points initially with another 500 points to give me options. Then if they get a few new plastic kits in the near future I might let them move towards 2000

It'd be interesting to see what they can do without stepping on too many other factions imagery. Like I could see a unit of centaur inspired DoK being interesting, especially if they're drawing on something other than horses for their lower halves, but would that eat too much into the design space for Centigors and Kurnothi? Or like a spider themed character without crossing too much into Spiderfang or Tarantulos Brood's aesthetics. My plan for narrative games/my own collection's lore is to add a couple units of Corvus Cabal and have the Crone basically have usurped a portion of the tribe through seeming to be the embodiment of the Great Gatherer she doesn't particularly have any interest in them beyond being useful cannon fodder but they flock to her all the same. Yeah that's what gives me enough hope that there's something coming, the lore seems to be hinting at it

Honestly I really want more weird mutant DoK. Really dig into mythology for inspiration than give it a very different AoS spin.

Honestly the next Warcry season having terrain themed around ruined buildings with bits of debris like tattered curtains still hanging and damaged furniture could be pretty cool