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    The Rumour Thread

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    1 hour ago, Deepkin said:

    Booker's book is not that great. It makes some pretty massive generalizations and then contorts all evidence to fit it. Its searching for some sort of universality to human art, when indeed art is particular and subjective, and always evasive of objective criteria. Its the same sort of thing Joseph Campbell did, repackaged in a slightly different frame. It takes one author's personal interpretations and cultural expecations, and assumes them to be universal by making claims so broad and vague that they can be tailored to sorta kinda fit anything (just like religion! funny, that). Its like the meme "all foods are either soups or sandwiches," except some people sincerely believe it and think its some sort of literary revelation. 

    The Abrahamic religions are not the "foundation of modern man" (whatever that means), and particularly not when one considers most of the worlds population does not follow one of those religions, or come from an area that follows said religions.

     

    I never said his book was great, I even wrote that it should be taken with a grain of salt. But we can't overlook the fact that we can't tell more than X types of different stories, which was my point. How are you supposed to tell a fictional creation myth or the following events without taking inspiration from real life? Or other religions in this case. You even agree that religion is subjective. I would not count practicioners as the only way to measure religious influence over time. I firmly believe that most religious stories influence eachother and are older then the written versions which makes this discussion sort of a dead end.

    This sort of went of the rails, I'm glad to continue somewhere else.

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    The Rumour Thread

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    5 hours ago, JackStreicher said:

    That‘s a bit too 40k angelic (mini-Angels everywhere) though I like the artist‘s style.

     

    I‘d prefer if they drew less inspiration from Christianity since Christianity is in my opinion stale as hel (thx to every horror or mystery movie being about the classic devil, angels, god, god, god, god 🤢🤮, Jesus and all the other uninspired Apokalypse plots).

    This is rather off topic but I thinks it's a fun one nonetheless. It should as always be taken with a grain of salt.

    You think you're being all clever and original with your new storytelling. In fact, you're not. From Shakespeare to Spielberg to Soderbergh, there are really only seven different types of stories.

    Christopher Booker, in his book Seven Basic Plots, hypothesizes that seven archetypal themes recur in all kinds of storytelling. It should be noted that his perspective in the book is mostly directed at practical use. Making ads or telling a captivating story, not necessarily the history behind it. Booker looked at why humans are psychologically programmed to imagine stories this way. This get way weirder when we start to define what makes a character at its core and how few of them there actually really are, which is what makes depth as important as it is. Tiny events that ripple through the archetypes journey. Or maybe they should be seen as tiny scratches made by time on a car.

    Anyhow my point is that it's not as simple as "WRItTe a NEw sTOriE" or "tAKe inSPIRAtiOn fRoM SomEWHeRE eLSE". The abrahamic religions and the stories contained within are at the foundation of modern man, even if you're not religious.

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    The Rumour Thread

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    3 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

    How about an army of stern civilised Hyshian giants that can channel beams of light, giving them a powerful shooting attack? Maybe they can somehow link beams like the old eldar Fire Prism in 40k, fitting into the whole elaborate ritualistic approach of Hysh and making their gameplay about manoeuvre and a specific form of synergy.

    As a concept this sounds cool but even this army sort of needs other units IMO, specifically smaller ones.

    Maybe the elves teamed up with the giant angel thingys lol?

    The Rumour Thread

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    1 hour ago, Still-young said:

    People reacted pretty well to the one model army release that has already been put to you as an example - Imperial Knights. Well enough that it got 2 more models last year and a chaos knights codex and kit this year. 

    Yea but a giant man with a bow ain't the same as a Knight. /s

    I think it will be harder to introduce these kinds of models for AoS though since there is less shooting. I think it will be way harder to balance aswell.

    3 hours ago, Indecisive said:

    BCR are kind of closer to Custodes. There isn't something that truly parallels Imperial Knights, naturally given the short existence of the setting.
    Although, how you do the same in a fantasy setting is a little trick (faction of huge dragons?)

    light elves being giant angel things would be something
     

    Dragons would be cool. Angels would be even better but that would make them GA Order.. 😴

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    The Rumour Thread

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    11 minutes ago, armisael said:

    But it is already happen for Gristlegore...

    And the moon is round, what's your point? /s 😁

    I wouldn't use "The Unbeatable Army" as a measuring device. Especially since we are talking about a whole army launch not just the same model again, again and again...

    How would everyone react to a one model army release? 😂

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    3 minutes ago, Eldarain said:

    And with Gristlegore and Beastclaw a mostly/entirely Behemoth force isn't that unusual.

    Don't get me wrong. I want giant centerpiece models, a whole army would be even better! But I don't see it happening unless it's a Forge World model.

     

    I guess time will tell.

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    The Rumour Thread

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    15 minutes ago, Hollow said:

    But it shows that there is a good possibility that GW will port something similar into AOS using giants. 

    A possibilty yes but the Knights are mostly shooting right? How would that be transferred to AoS in a reasonable way?

    And with the different type of army building you wouldn't just be able to include a Knight wherever you want like you do in 40K.

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    1 minute ago, HiddenElephant said:

    So, I got some thoughts on that teaser.  It could go 1 of 3 ways.

    Either:

    A:  There is a faction of Giants coming, and they're from Hysh.  (think like Cloud Giants and Storm Giants from DnD).

    B:  There is a faction of Hysh Elves coming, but their twist on the elf formula is that they are giant and tall.

    See:  It's actually 2 factions announced, as a versus thing.  Giants versus Light Elves, with Light Elves being the new High Elves.

    I kinda want it to be any of these 3 things, but I think I'm wrong.

    As much as I would love giants I think a giant line wouldn't be fun to play, at all. I mean a list comprised of 5 minis? How would you balance that?

    My bet would be Elves and some of the uncatered factions like Seraphon etc. and then a FW giant centerpiece release for destruction or something like that. 🤪

    Warhammer - The Old World

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    5 minutes ago, Dead Scribe said:

    I'm gutted.  Some of our older players set up a WHFB 8th edition game day yesterday.  The amount of interest really kicked me in the gut.  There were so many people that showed up for it yesterday, I had no idea that that many people wanted WHFB back.  I haven't even seen a lot of the guys that showed up before in my life.

    Its really going to tear my community apart and endanger our AOS group.

    It most likely won't. It's x years until we are there. They will play, like they should, but they should not expect WHFB to be coming back as it was.

    I think the hysteria will die somewhat as soon as people actually realize that.

    Warhammer - The Old World

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    1 minute ago, Eevika said:

    Im dissapointed. I dont see any reason to go back to the old world. I was hoping for Forgeworld Godbeasts to be played in the age of myth and more stories about the early stages of the realms. 

    Well, nothing has been confirmed yet. Except for something something Old World.

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    6 hours ago, Charleston said:

    Why exactly? StD are the last faction that really need a tome. Anything else is just an update~

    I understand it is your favorite faction, nevertheless there is no reason for a special treatment. The faction is fine, like any other is

    I think you're being pretty narrow here. I agree that StD is one of the last factions that absolutely NEEDED a BT to be playable but that doesn't automatically negate the need for others. What I don't understand is how you can call every other faction fine. 

    I wouldn't define "fine" as having 1 or 2 playable lists. That would be setting the bar very low in my opinion.

     

    How would you define it?

    What is the "best" army book in AoS? (IE the one which should be the baseline)

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    1 hour ago, Neomaxim said:

    That is just because they're new, and have buzz.  No one will be touting the long-term quality of Mawtribes, and Bone Reapers look like they're back in the trap-book realm, where every category has obvious winners and losers.

    I think hypothetical "best book" status requires as much internal balance as possible, with larger amounts of options for diverse playstyles, and external balance should be a goal as well.  I also don't think a perfect book exists, but I find the handful of names which keep coming up very telling as something GW should consider going forward.

     I agree completely. I mostly play Nighthaunt and just started a SCE army with my leftover Soul Wars units. I'm still hoping for a SCE BT update... or Nighthaunt for that matter. 😭

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    5 minutes ago, MaatithoftheBrand said:

    So the new llama-cat sphinx the spelling of which escapes me - do we think that's going to be a hero choice for Slaves or a Behemoth or what? Seems a bit of an outlier compared to the leader-y Ogroid and dumb-brute Formorian

    Making it a hero would be weird right? 😅

     

    Behemoth if anything is my bet.

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    On 11/4/2019 at 5:04 PM, Kirjava13 said:
    2 minutes ago, MitGas said:

    Well, what kind of person do you think I am from a single post where I simply say that overt political correctness is bad for all of us? Your reply implies that you might assume too much and then I could be terribly offended, beware!

     

    While I might agree, we are not gonna turn this into a political debate. Just because you say something and take it as fact it doesn't neccesarily make it true.

     

    2 hours ago, Aryann said:

    Nah. We are all probably murderers in real life because we enjoy killing our mniature soldiers with rolling dice.

    I love killing minis. 😎

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