[AoS 2 - Slaves to Darkness 2 Discussion]

Cabalists sounds really fun. Just hurl spells everywhere. First list I’m going to try is:

Cabalists

440 warriors nurgle and banner

290 varanguard nurgle

100 splintered fang nurgle

100 splintered fang nurgle 

120 sorcerer lord nurgle, binding damnation

120 sorcerer lord tzeentch

115 chaos lord nurgle, conqueror’s crown artifact, warrior retinue, idolator lord (prayer - curse), binding damnation

240 chosen tzeentch and banner

230 chaos knights khorne

60 realmscourge rupture

60 ravenaks gnashing jaws

20 the burning head

100 exalted hero undivided, chaos conduit

1995 total

warlord battalion (splintered fangs and heroes) and the two galletian veteran battalions (varanguard and warriors in bounty hunters, chosen and knights in expert conquerors).

I just want to try the realmscourge rupture/ravenaks combo. If it doesn’t work then I can start looking into replacing things.

I’m actually not that high on knights. They’re great on the charge but if you don’t delete what you wanted then in subsequent rounds they’re very weak offensively.

I think a lot of the subfactions have play (some cultists, especially splintered fang, are quite good offensively now). Despoilers seems weak to me, held back by the Daemon Prince warscroll - it just doesn’t hit hard enough.

[AoS 3 - Nighthaunt Discussion]

10 hours ago, Benlisted said:

So been updating my number crunching spreadsheet based on the leaks: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wl0LUdJnvMAR0OJx4c-Fg4Y8b4MUcnaOfQMbQvq_iqc/edit?usp=sharing

Numbers wise, for the points Harridans are the best output we have vs low saves (then rasps, closely followed by gheists and myrs).  Vs high saves (4+ or better) the myrmourns are the most points efficient damage we have by some margin, with gheists next and harridans actually second (though only hitting half the output per points of myrs).  Reapers look really sad, without their self buff they are worse than hosts, marginally worse than hexes and almost as bad as glaives!  The BC's output is not good in raw numbers but it has its new MWs. 

If you factor in self-buffs harridans obviously pull further ahead vs low saves, but BGs overtake rasps.  Notably even for 2+ units BGs with the extra attack are as effective per point as myrs.

Durability wise hosts are obviously the best, and the 4-model units are nearly half as durable for the points, they are super frail (i.e. takes half the damage to kill 1pt of models).

Some other observations on our sources of bonuses having done this:

+atks
Artefact - lightshard (once per game)
BR charging
GR vs 5+ models

+to hit
Olynder grief-stricken
AOA - free with KOSOES, copy with DH
DH if wounded
Chainghast aura

+to wound
GoS
CH charging
DH if wounded

Basically there are a ton less buff auras than we used to have, all the rerolls and effects on 6s we used to have are totally gone (though we also have a ton of debuffs now).  There's also a number of different ways to ensure you get each bonus and given each is self-applied by some units you can possibly skimp on some support depending how you build your list.

The math on the sheet appears broken to me for units with multiple attack profiles. Column AP is equal to AJ for multiple attack profile units’ summary rows. This is leading to incorrect conclusions for Grimghasts, hexwraiths, etc. Grims should be ~.034 damage per point against a 4+ without a charge bonus (I think, just ran it through calculator on my phone) not 0.020. As an example of the error, columns AP and AJ are both 3.259 for Grims.

If what I’m saying is correct, Grims still have a place next to Bladegheists and Dreads since they can attack in multiple ranks.

Against a 4+ with no bonuses and msu I’m getting:

grims: 0.034 damage per point

hosts: 0.024

hexes: 0.033

blades: 0.038

dreads: 0.0416

rasps: 0.0318

which if right is actually pretty good in terms of internal balance.

[Unleash Hell, might be worth a look at?]

Could make unleash hell -2 to hit, so you’d have to work harder to negate the modifier.

[AOS 3: S2D - Thoughts on chosen]

Best damage per point unit S2D have against high save units with the nerf (edited) to marauders I believe. Not as fast or durable as knights. With more MSU style matches they’ll make great counter-chargers. I’m a big fan.

[AoS 2 - Nighthaunt Discussion]

2 hours ago, Jabbuk said:

Could anyone share their thoughts on Spirit Hosts? I used to play them in a block of 9 with ST in the back healing them and they were almost unlikable.

I was wondering what's the point of playing them in 3s if there is any? I'm thinking of only playing them in 6s and play them as an anvil but I might be missing something?

6 is preferable to 9 now I would think and with a Krulghast should be sufficiently survivable. Their bases are huge so with 9 you end up with a lot of models stuck out of combat with the new coherency rules.

[The Rumour Thread]

2 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:

I think the Savage Orc/Bonesplitters range would work a lot better if 'Greenskinz' were still an intermediary between the Ironjawz and them.

Kruelboyz sort of fill that gap and I wouldn't be too shocked if that was GW's intention, but the different proportions between them and the old (I guess we'd call them Gork?) Orc bodies is so different that it doesn't completely work.

Weren’t bonesplitters already merged with ironjawz into the Orruk Warclans battletome? 

[AoS 2 - Slaves to Darkness 2 Discussion]

Anyone else think Chosen and Knights are looking strong? Both barely hit by points increases, chosen can still be in units of 5 so aren’t impacted by coherency and they still generate MWs and have rend which is even more important with everything having easy access to +1 save.

[AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion]

19 minutes ago, Kaptinskaggy said:

I can see why old hands might be annoyed with the direction that the new models are taking, but for new(er) people like me who came in with AOS 2.0 these new models are a godsend. That original wave of Stormcast never appealed to me so I'm looking forward to getting better looking (imo) troops that fill similar niches to compliment my Sacrosanct. The vigilors in particular I think are a tremendous improvement over the old judicators, and the vanquishers just look absolutely sick. Keeping the robes will really help tie them together with the Sacrosanct as well, which I appreciate.

One caveat I think I'm seeing with these Thunderstrike Stormcast is that they don't seem to have any special weapons interspersed within their units like the older ones do. I think that consideration might have to be made for the extra striking power that liberators and sequitors have with their grandhammers and greatmaces or judicators have with the special prime weapons. Guess we'll see with the new battletome how they all fit together.

I like that they don’t have two weapon types interspersed - it speeds up gameplay not having to roll two different weapon profiles.

[AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion]

2 hours ago, Erdemo86 said:

The Vigilors with the drawn swords and bows look weird to me. I hope you can pose them as either shooting their bow or fighting with sword not a weird mix of both at the same time.

[The Rumour Thread]

23 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

First silhouette looks like a different Lord-Imperatant. 

 

It looks like it could be someone riding a large mount holding reins with his left hand

[AoS 2 - Slaves to Darkness 2 Discussion]

1 hour ago, Neverchosen said:

So if I am reading this correctly a Tzeentch marked shrine granting a unit of 20 chaos warriors will still only have plus one to their save for the sake of dice rolls, but if they were hit by a rend -1 attack they would negate the rend.

That’s correct

[The Rumour Thread]

Seems unlikely now but would have laughed if it were the stormcast that got gator mounts instead of the boyz.

 

Also definitely looks like a cage for prisoners on its back.

[The Rumour Thread]

47 minutes ago, Chikout said:

So.. Stormcast are getting at least one dragon, a new melee focused battleline and ..? Kruleboyz are getting a special character on some kind of flying mount, a big monster which may be a crocodile and....?

There will be a chaos Duardin faction and new soup Duardin with new minis???

Dawnbreaker models??? Umbraneth models??? Tyrion??? New Ogors??? 

Does that about cover the rumours?

A new stormcast dragon? I hadn’t heard anything about this.

[AoS 2 - Slaves to Darkness 2 Discussion]

Can slaves to darkness ally in a shard speaker? Think so but Warscroll builder isn’t showing hedonites in the add units section.

[[GA: Death] The icy touch of death!]

Hi! Huge fan of your nighthaunt army. Had a quick question - what’s your process for the dirt/ground on your bases? I’ve been using Vallejo ground texture primed and painted with various browns but haven’t achieved a result I like.

[AoS 2 - Slaves to Darkness / Darkoath Discussion]

So, someone please correct me if my math is wrong but Chaos Chosen are monstrous in terms of damage efficiency. A squad of 5 puts out 16 attacks for 7.4 damage against a 4+ save for 140 points, or 18.9 points per 1 damage. Against a 6+ this goes down to 14.3 points per 1 damage. For reference, chaos warriors with 2 hand weapons are 30.7 points per 1 damage against a 4+ and 18.4 against a 6+.

[Warcry - Nighthaunt discussion]

The glaivewraith stalkers are extremely lackluster. No special abilities to speak of. I feel like an activated ability for extra movement would have been appropriate given their fluff. Something to distinguish them from the grimghast, which at 135pts vs 120 I can’t envision a scenario not picking the gringhast.