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Just now, Huanchi said:
looking at the oldblood card.. seraphon lost Deamon keyword?
They're flesh and blood lizards now that live in the realms and are using those shrines to spread their influence and convert the lands into Lustria-like jungles. Looks like they've updated the rules to reflect the new lore. His Bravery is also 8 now. They've removed the -1 Rend ignoring for improving the save to 3+ too, and his Command Ability gives +1 to hit for Saurus units.
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11 minutes ago, Overread said:
@FFJump as you were talking about rules and such so was I. GW books have always had lore of things that aren't even produced by GW nor FW and have done so for years. Sometimes its things like "skaven skyship raiders" which is basically an in-world hint at conversions people could do (putting skaven on KO airships). Meanwhile other times you get stories about models, monsters and more that simply never come to be. Old World had quite expensive stories which involved places like Araby, Cathay and Nippon and yet they never came to be.
When it comes to rules, whilst GW has in the past had rules for things they didn't make (typically upgrades and hero variations) they never outright had rules for armies they never made. This is even more so now that they basically have a "no models no rules" policy. This is true for the two main games; games like Necromunda and such are a bit different in that they are technically FW department games so they do make use of the content made and sold on the FW website within teh core books.
Basically you won't get official chaos dwarf rules until such time as GW central is making them.
Aha, I thought you meant in general there was no references. No, you're absolutely right when it comes to rules. Though, the old Citadel Journal and Chapter Approved had rules for FW stuff, and there were White Dwarf armies like the Vampire Coast which you had to convert entirely yourself, but I get your point. However, that may soon change with the announcement at the last LVO that the main studio is handling the new books for FW units and armies that replace the FW indices. That is for 40K though, not AoS.
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54 minutes ago, Overread said:
GW central doesn't sell Chaos Dwarves. Their central books have never referenced Forgeworld models - heck they often don't even remember they exist for marketing when they do a big faction launch event.
The books having no references is not correct when it comes to the Chaos Dwarves. In fact, using a recent example, Katakros' background in the Bonereapears battletome involves two campaigns against the "infernal duardin" of Chaos as some of his achievements he's known for. I have the physical copy of the battletome, so this is a direct transcript from the tome:
"The next to feel Katakros' wrath was the Molten Horde of Hagran Four-Eye, an alliance of Chaos-worshipping tribes and infernal duardin that had taken nearby Praetories."
"In Anadiria, the Chaos-worshipping duardin of the Strangler's Peaks met their match against the Mortisan adepts of the Null Myriad. ...
Their legion's innate resistance to magic meaning the conjured lava of the duardin washed off them as if it were no more than seawater. The duardin looked to their supporting artillery emplacements in the Stranger's Peaks, but those were already being attacked from above by freshly-created Necropolis Stalkers..."
The newest STD battletome calls the Legion of Azgorh by name with one of the rewards for the Path to Glory campaign. Numerous other battletomes have references here and there to Azgorh by name or the molten hordes of the "infernal duardin". Always small blurbs, but "never" is inaccurate. Though, it is a little odd using the term "infernal duardin" in some instances, when in obvious reference to LoA going by descriptions. It kind of sounds like a placeholder name.-
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I believe if you doubted, now all that Seraphon squatting talk should be permanently put to rest. 😉
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2 hours ago, Turragor said:
Why do you guys have a stiffy for spawning pools? Hehe
Age of sigmar shouldnt be national geographic - you can read about lizard on wiki if you want to.
Physical permanent Seraphon are 1 trillion times more boring. Oh well. Preferences differ. What lures me into Seraphon turns off Seraphon old guard from the old world
Well, for me personally, I was a Lizardman player from 6th-8th of Warhammer Fantasy (and if they come in Warhammer: The Old World I'll play them then too), and so any references to their old lore I love. Also, personally, I prefer them being actual creatures to beings or memories of starlight from the old battletome.
If you've kept up with the new lore, especially in the Tome of Champions as Whitefang mentioned, they've kind of retconned some stuff. They have spawning pools again from where they come from. They're creatures of flesh and blood again, however, the Slann can still summon them through starlight. Some of them stay or live in the realms. Also, apparently, Seraphon that have been isolated too long become feral and regress to a savage state.
Also, lots of references to the Old Ones. The Seraphon quest in the Tome of Champions has you looking for a Cosmic Pylon that seems to somehow have been technology of the Old Ones. Overall, I'm pretty excited for their new tome.-
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1 hour ago, novakai said:
from the Reddit ( some grain of salt), Seraphon was asked during the seminar
"Sat at the Warhammer World Open Day AoS Seminar and asked the Panel about the future of Seraphon.
Confirmed that
"They will get a new book"
"They will get their day in the Sun"
"We have done some work on them within Malign Portents""
That's good to ask for confirmation, but doesn't really say anything we didn't already know unless you want to look deeper into the "they will get their day in the sun" part.
Also, as a side note, we have not seen the Astrolithic Skyshrine that was leaked with the other terrain and Warcry stuff a month or so ago, have we? Considering the Astrolith is related to Seraphon, it's possible that'll be a scenery piece for them.
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11 minutes ago, Icegoat said:
Yes but that thick armour like scale was dreamed up by a frog now. I much preferred the spawning pools and misty jungle temples than hypnotaods acid trip lore.
Seraphon are a very cool species group, their models just don't look good enough anymore compared to some of the creatures and armies we now have.
That's ancient lore. They do have spawning pools again and are more ground-based. Their lore has already been re-worked outside their own battletome. When their battletome comes out (not long now), they'll be quite different lore-wise from the old tome.
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5 minutes ago, Overread said:
My one and only fear is that GW adds more armies and adds too many armies - I really hope for a semi long period of updating AoS armies even if it just means replacing sculpts with new versions and the odd new model here and there.
That said GW might focus back on to 40K or who knows what else. The 1st of January event should let us know more.
In terms of armies, going from Whitefang's info, it seems we can at least expect the Hysh elves and the all giants faction. Then going off the many other hints, we are still missing the Grotbag Scuttlers (who are already named and have lore) and the Shadow Elves who seem to be a given as that realm is still very mysterious. That's four new armies alone, not counting anything out of left field that didn't have a lot of established lore or only tiny hints like the Bonereapers. Not sure if we'd see all of those next year, but I think we'd at least see the elves and giants.
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12 hours ago, HorticulusTGA said:
Tho that wasn't Whitefang who answered "no" to the Chaos possibility.
(Not saying that other responding poster doesn't know something either
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On 11/19/2019 at 11:48 AM, Whitefang said:Not necessarily chaos
It was 😄
Of course Whitefang could be wrong, but given what we know and the hints, I think its true. And probably indeed a Destruction faction. -
Just now, shinros said:
I think it's going to be interesting to have a Gargant faction, those who like painting big models are most likely going to have a blast with it.
That would be me lol. I always wanted Sky Titans from Fantasy as a faction after their lore in the Ogre Kingdoms army book. This would be a good replacement. I for one, welcome our lumbering, drunk, villager crushing overlords.
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2 hours ago, Indecisive said:
Wait, which Whitefang rumours now. I've lost track of what they've said or haven't said.
In this thread a few pages back. He said consider a complete revamp of the Aleguzzler Gargants as a faction similar to Imperial Knights. Then when the rumor pic of the hammer looking thing came out, someone said a Chaos Gargant and he said not necessarily Chaos. Then finally in response to this:
On 11/19/2019 at 12:09 PM, HorticulusTGA said:Are we really getting a new "Destruction Giant" aka Sons Of Behemat faction ?
He posted this:
On 11/19/2019 at 12:10 PM, Whitefang said:-
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3 hours ago, willange said:
I really don't agree with the (seeming) concensus that there will a Gargant faction coming up. I mean, yes, they did say some "giant" was coming, but I just don't see it happening soon. I guess it's more of a gut feeling than anything concrete.
Also that last little "hysh-hysh" line is just another example of the GW dad-puns. That one almost definitely means nothing which is funny since Hysh Aelves would've been a likely new army in my opinion.Well, not only that, but Whitefang seems to be hinting at a Gargant faction. He accurately predicted the Slaves to Darkness update months ago, even mentioning specifically the new Chaos Knights and Chaos Lord models. He kind of got some hate and denial for that when he first said it, but was proven right in the end. That doesn't exclude Hysh Aelves also being hinted at. Could be two separate factions hinted at in that same article. Two new factions for AoS would counter-balance the Fantasy news I guess was the mindset?
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4 minutes ago, Inquisitorsz said:
Did the seminar say when these are being released?
People are saying xmas but is that confirmed?
The battletome tome is on that December price list but the StD SC wasn't
Yes it is. It's right below the battletome and warscroll cards. December 14th. So are the Endless Spells.
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1 hour ago, Dirtnaps said:
I think Fimir could definitely be one, Gitmob Grots could be another. They could figure out a way to make gargants into one although I doubt they would. They could give Troggoths and Spiderfang their own armies too, maybe even bring back the scuttlings for spiderfang. There always regular non Ironjawz or Bonesplittaz Orruks as well, although I'm not entirely sure if those actually exist anymore lore wise. Other than those though I don't think there really is a whole lot lore wise at the moment unless they start making new races and factions with playable armies like they did with the Ossiarch Bonereapers.
Grotbag Scuttlers. The goblins that have airships. There's been quite a bit of info on them in recent battletomes, they have even have a proper name already and are being consistently called by it. This rumor engine may be related or not.
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3 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:
They already did a made to order of the chaos dwarf blood bowl team a few years back. I'm not saying that rules out them doing it again, but wouldn't that be the first time something got a second made to order run?
Yeah, they did. I never kept track of the Made to Orders, so I don't know if this would be the first time for a second run or not. If it is, that would be very curious. Either a count against it, or if it comes to pass, a precedent for maybe more second runs. We won't have to wait long to see if this list is real though. It can be disproved very quickly if the Bonereapers get their stuff earlier than the date the leak says or at different prices.
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37 minutes ago, Sabotage! said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that these lists are fake. The first hint on the green one was that they named the Ogre Blood Bowl Team. The second one looks more plausible, as the Inquisitor availability aligns with Inquisitor rules coming in the November WD, but totally kills it's credibility with threethings.
1). The Chaos Dwarf Team - The FW team has to beg and bargain for production space for plastics. They have never been able to produce more than 4 teams a year, and have a lot of trouble even squeezing those in. To make matters more apparent, the team coming out the same week as another?
2). The new Warcry box prices: I am guessing the price increase is for a full Sprue, AKA double number the number of models. GW would give a slight discount over the normal price of two Warcry boxes (think 85$) not a marked discount.
3). The price of that Necromunda Starter: 290 USD! That is out of this world for the contents. The box has less minis than the Warcry Starter and about the same amount of terrain. I can't see even GW putting a product like that out, it would just sit on shelves forever.I honestly think we will get the Spire Tyrants this year and not the next (probably the monster too), but I really don't think we'll see STD until early next year.
I'm not certain one way or the other if the leak is true, however, it does align with Kikassto's information. He's been 100% accurate so far and this mirrors it perfectly. Of course, that could be intentional and this a fake using his accurate info to appear legitimate. However, there are a couple points here that can be counter-argued.
1. The Chaos Dwarf Team refers to a Made to Order. Look at the price, and then look at the other Blood Bowl team prices. That's the price for a Made to Order team, which they've done in the past. Same for the Bull Centaur. So that one is totally plausible.
2. The Warcry prices in my opinion is the most curious one. Really have no clue about that one.
3. The Necromunda starter set is the exact same price as the Adeptus Titanicus Grand Master set, so that price point already has a precedent. That Titan set included 2 Warlord Titans, 6 Knights, terrain and rules. It could be that much because of the Zone Mortalis terrain or maybe a big rulebook is included, so also entirely plausible. If we take a look at the current Necromunda starter set, its $125 for two gangs, tiles, some doors and barricades, and a cardboard arena. The new one appears to be all that, PLUS the Mortalis terrain. That would definitely up the price, by that much, who knows, but a higher price point is feasible.
In my opinion, it could be fake, but it definitely has some real info in it. If its fake, he added in real info to make it appear legitimate. There is nothing yet that has outright disproved it so it could go either way. -
The tusks on the Chaos Dwarf are a really nice touch. Good reference to the old Big Hats. Tusks used to be one of the mutations from Hashut's corruption.
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Just now, Panzer said:
Tempting, but I won't fall for that madness again this time. I had a Gnoblar army with the White Dwarf rules back in WHFB 7e and it had more models at 1000p than literally any other army at 2000p.
Me too! I went from "Sounds alright" to instant day one all-in army as soon as I heard about the battalion.
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52 minutes ago, bsharitt said:
None of the Maneaters are last chance to buy/no longer available, so that's a good sign, but they've not been mentioned or shown any either article announcing the new book or the faction focus. Maybe they're safe, but I won't feel good about them until this weekend when the Ogor Mawtribes section of the store goes live and I can see if they're there or not. Really happy to see that the Gnoblar name is back though.
I see no one's posted the info from today's live stream yet so I'll just post the main points.
- No models are being removed. All the models are making the jump. Including the Butcher with the Cauldron (the Slaughtermaster from Fantasy), he's now a new unit called a Slaughtermaster - basically a stronger wizard.
- You can take a Gnoblar Horde via the Junkmob battalion. It's a battalion of only Gnoblars that makes them kinda good (not specified how).
- Huskards are now "officially" priests like priests from other factions
- Firebelly has his own lore, and Butchers have their own as well.
- Leadbelchers are indeed going 2 as the minimum size, so the boxed set gives a whole unit.
- All Ogres get a Gulping Bite attack.
- They've got different tribe abilities like all the 2.0 battletomes.
- All the warscrolls are getting an update
- Troggoths and Aleguzzlers are still allies.
Few pictures
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I heard a while back that the Fimir were supposed to be expanded into a Legion of Azgorh style army, with Allegiance Abilities and everything. In fact, back in 2016 there were some WIP of more units shown off at one of the Open Days. Shown below:
A Dirach Balefiend (wizard) :
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A Meargh (the clan's mother/leader):
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And what appears to be a Shearl (the Fimir lesser ranks/slaves):
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However, those plans seem to have been stopped or something, because I don't believe we've seen head or tail of these since then, and its already been 3 years. Also seems like Forgeworld stepped back from AoS in general. Perhaps the Fimir army have been abandoned, and instead this Fomoroid might be the Fimir stand-in? I don't think we'll see an army of Fomoroids, but beyond having the same basis for inspiration, it also looks like a Chaos creature and maybe will act as a monster or mercenary, which is similar to the old Fimir lore that they were Chaos creatures, but abandoned by the Chaos Gods and so didn't really follow a specific God but instead acted as mercs or sudden allies for certain armies. In 8th during Storm of Magic, Fimir were one of the monsters that could be added to any army or summoned so that also fits.
Either way, I'm a fan of it. I love the Fimir, and if we can't have the complete Fimir army from Forgeworld, I can accept this Fomoroid and hope its not a one-off and we get more.
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Awesome! The Tomb Kings analogues are obvious, but they managed to strike out from Egyptian to a mix of cultures and create something pretty unique in the process. I don't know about how other TK players will feel, but personally, I'm jumping on this day one and feel it'd fit right along-side, especially if some of the armor and scorpion-looking trim is painted gold. Also funny that it took the destruction of Tomb Kings to get a new Screaming Skull Catapult lol.
I have a feeling we haven't seen all the units quite yet. Only reason is because my source was right, I think he was the first to call it in this thread a couple months ago
. Except he also said we'll see some old TK models return. Not sure about the Tomb Guard because it looks like we already have analogues for those in the trailer, but I could see the Necrosphinx return. He could have been wrong about that specifically though. If we get some chariots and archer infantry, then the analogues are complete outside of constructs.
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9 hours ago, Overread said:
Exodites are rumour only because GW has done several articles on Eldar and put them in it as background info. That said its been a potential Eldar theme for DECADES. It's just one that they've never really looked into doing properly in the game. I would say anything is possible but an update to Craftworld is far more likely and needed considering that most of the plastics are super old and most of their core aspect warriors are finecast. Things like the guardian kit really show their age now - though some of the vehicles are ok (viper and falcon)
Not related to the thread, so I'll keep it brief, but actually, the Exodites rumor comes from Atia (whose track record is near 100% barring the plastic Thunderhawk that even caught her off guard when it turned out false), stating we may see them in a few years - a few years ago. She said this in the same month that she said we'd see Enforcers in Necromunda in a few years. Which have indeed just shown up recently. Of course, that was a may, instead of the usual matter-of-fact rumors she states. But if Atia thinks it might happen, that's usually good enough to go off of.
And yeah, I agree, today's rumor engine looks a lot like the Scions of Flame. And not just because its a flame, but that does look Chaos-y. I don't want to double-post, but someone over I trust over on another site has been posting some interesting comments regarding the new Death army. Take with salt of course, but I thought it was interesting:
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I don't have Warhammer Quest, but I do wonder what this fluff is he referring to is, and if it matches anything we've seen so far about this new army.
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Not sure these two are the same guy. If he is, then damn, he really lost his sick gains.
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On 7/30/2019 at 10:23 AM, madmac said:
Just adding two more rumor engines I don't think were ever solved.
So, the spear is definitely not a match for Seraphon, looks more crude like Ogor stuff or probably a Warcry warband. The scaly one could actually be either Seraphon or Exodites, as there are two outstanding rumors for each one from two highly reliable rumor mongers. If you take the Aeldari arch into account, it could be Exodites as Atia said they were coming in a few years, a few years ago. She said we were going to see Enforcers around the same time she was talking about Exodites, and those barely came out recently so she sees things way in advance.
However, the ever reliable Hastings said two weeks ago he had heard Seraphon would be one of the warbands for Warhammer Underworlds Season 3. So could be either one, then again, could intentionally appear to be a dinosaur and actually be something else entirely and just looks like a dinosaur to throw us off. He didn't list Bonesplitterz as part of those either, but did mention Ogors.
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The Rumour Thread
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
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Being a huge fan of Chaos Dwarfs, I have obsessively collected every single piece of lore from White Dwarf, Black Library books, and Battletomes of Chaos Dwarfs in Age of Sigmar. Nothing seems to suggest that's the case as of now. In fact, most of the lore just seems to be exactly the same as from Fantasy even down to Hashut still being around somehow even after getting krumped by Gork and Mork. Everything suggests they're still patriarchal, especially being called "Furnace Kings" in some cases and Hashut is even still called "Father of Darkness". That doesn't mean if Chaos Dwarfs got a plastic release and battletome they couldn't completely retcon it, but I'd kind of feel a huge retcon takes away what makes them interesting. There is apparently matriarchal Fyreslayer holds though. The June 2019 White Dwarf mentions one. Same one actually mentions a rogue Fyreslayer that became one of Hashut's first priests and suggests there's some Chaos Dwarfs in the Salamander's Spine.
Speaking of matriarchal and Forgeworld factions, however, now that Forgeworld seems to have stopped the sale of Fimir, and we're seemingly never going to get the Meargh and Fimm models shown off a few years ago, it would be a good time for GW to bring them back in plastic with a whole battletome. They're still a fairly unique race with an interesting playstyle that I think have been dealt a short hand each time they were given a chance. We have Fomoroids now, and if expanded those could maybe scratch the same itch if they wanted to just drop Fimir completely.