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1 hour ago, Charleston said:
Painting them gold, using them for Hammers of Sigmar and calling it the "Bonecast Eternals" Chamber sounds also like a way to embrace them
Use them for Settrus and the Imperishables to complete the mockery and ****** of as many people as possible.
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1 hour ago, madmac said:
They're much more Tomb Kings than most people give credit for.
A big part of old Tomb Kings lore is that unlike the mindless minions of the Vampire Counts, even the lowliest skeleton soldier of the Tomb Kings had a soul, memories, at least a portion of the mortal prowess they had in life, ect. They had constructs animated with souls, they had an organized army with archers, artillery, and so on.
Even the new special character seems designed to capture a bit of ol Settra. No, not the "Settra does not serve" bit, but Settra in his time was often called the Alexander the Great of the Old World, the brilliant tactician and leader who conquered most of the ancient world before finally, reluctantly succumbing to death.
The details are different, but in broad strokes the new death army is absolutely calculated to fill the niche left behind by Tomb Kings.
Gotta love how people cherry pick some few aspects of the Tomb Kings to support their claims and ignore everything else. No wait, it's actually becoming somewhat annoying.
Tomb Kings also have a heavy egyptian theme, are heavily based on their past as mortal kingdom (including their whole religion in addition to their general culture), are all about reclaiming what they once possessed, an army of skeletons (not bone constructs, yes that's a big thematical difference) that do warfare the same way they did when they were alive, aka light cavalry, light chariot cavalry, archers, disciplined rank&file infantry, constructs made of all kinds of material for the more exotic units that differ from how they used to do warfare, about dozens of kings that used to be the closest thing to the gods when they were alive suddenly walking around all at the same time and only getting put in order by Settra. Speaking of Settra, he was not just a strong leader, he was a wrathful one who went into battle on his chariot personally to smite everyone standing before him. He was NOT the calm tactician sitting behind his army waiting for the enemy to come to him.
I agree that this new army has the militaristic thing going on and it's undeniable that they are all bones. They are also based on a more exotic culture for us western people. That's basically all they have in common.
Instead they do have a bunch of things going that are simply not Tomb Kings. The whole mongolian/samurai aesthetic is super far away from Tomb Kings, creating bone constructs for their soldiers is not Tomb Kings (it's always been just monsters and statues of their gods), stealing bones from other cultures is not Tomb Kings (it was a long and complicated ritual done to a kings personal army after he died that allowed them to rise again with the Nehekharan own special kind of necromancy. Using other cultures undead is a strictly VC thing to do), putting multiple souls in one warrior is not Tomb Kings (in fact putting any souls into constructs is not), being more of a heavy infantry and heavy cavalry is not Tomb Kings, serving Nagash/being allied with Vampires is not Tomb Kings.
There are other armies who also have a things in common with Tomb Kings, though none has the package that made Tomb Kings Tomb Kings. The broad strokes are supposed to fill the niche left behind by Tomb Kings? If that's true then GW did a very poor job at that since it still leaves an incredible amount of niches left behind by Tomb Kings open and only fills some very few ones.
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Yeah that doesn't look like 25mm. Or the models are actually super tiny.
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Yeah me neither.
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3 hours ago, Getthefeckback said:
With the people who are upset about the models, I would like to see some their ideas of what they wanted in a drawing. Cause from what I see, people explaining what aesthetics they should be, it's kinda hard to picture what they want without looking like TK. Some say it looks cartoony, silly and have weird smiles, fair enough. ( need lips to do so)
I just wanted a death army and don't care about what they look like. If I wanted skeletons then I'll buy a box of the old ones.
Well Tomb Kings would've been great but I was already content with this not being such a release.
What I would've prefered for them would be if they were classic skeletons instead of weird abstract bone constructs. Keep the samurai and mongolian theme and everything. Just change the one thing and I would like this release a ton more.
However if the skulls from the skull pack are the right size I can definitely see me picking some up and replacing all the heads. Maybe still not getting the guys with four arms though.Alternatively a terracotta/golem/puppet aesthetic like the Mortarch hasgoing but for the whole army would've been great too.
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2 hours ago, JackStreicher said:
This is just for example purposes, sites of the heads will be way too small.
from belloflostsouls:
looks way more b** a** if you asked me 👌🏻
Also so if the whole army had this Samurai vibe, I‘s buy them within a heartbeat. As things stand now I am not sold on the range so far.
Totally agreed on both points!
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2 hours ago, JackStreicher said:
This pic is not from me and sizes won‘t match at all since the constructs are way bigger than ordinary skeletons. Just to show the difference:
from somewhere on belloflostsouls
That would be SO much better!
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2 minutes ago, Hoseman said:
The thing is that we have to stop thinking of a bone army. They are like stormcast, living armours with souls inside.
They could be a jade army, terracotta or other mineral army.
But they literally ARE a bone army and not armour made of some random material.
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5 minutes ago, Beliman said:
For an entire new army? I really hope not.
Yes, please! ^^
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5 minutes ago, Sleboda said:
I have about 50 spare Tomb Guard heads (no horse feet though) that I think will finally see some use.
I'm decently jealous.
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2 minutes ago, XReN said:
I'm a Tomb King fan and these guys are Tomb King spiritual successor, there is nothing else we will get estetically closer to TK than that.
And I will be happy collecting Nagash's Collectors
Well then we have to agree to disagree I guess. I'm not trying to claim that all Tomb King fans have the same opinions and preferences. ^^
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2 minutes ago, CDM said:
It would be great if people.could just admit they were overly hopeful on TK coming back and have now been dissapointed. These are the spirutual successor to TK, no it's not exactly what you want but is was the obvious way they'd go and I think they've knocked it out the park!
I actually think a TK force led by settra would work as an army of GA order. With some lines still passable.
But this faction checks a lot of boxes for me! Undead riders, skeletal warmachine, great characters all based on the morghast aesthetic . If we see some bone giant type monster's , missile troops etc this is going to be an amazing release.
Not sold on the posing of the normal troops, little bit awkward looking for GWs usual standards recently.
Oh I do admit that. Already admitted it before elsewhere too. Doesn't affect my opinion on this new army though since I was mostly hoping for ANY proper skeleton army, not specifically Tomb Kings which was ruled out by the trailers already anyway.
And no, I still disagree they are the spiritual successor to TK. They are the extension of Morghast. Saying they are the spirital successor to TK is like saying Nighthaunt are the spiritual successor to VC.
It would be great if people could just accept that instead of trying to push the TK label on something that doesn't fit just to silence the TK fans.-
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5 minutes ago, Kronos said:
I know, I said it was cool that you had different opinion, frankly I don’t really give much of a care what you like. But you been posting quite rudely in the last few pages with “your point is” and “i collect” “well done”... Just seems your venting your frustration that the plastic skeletons aren't the plastic skeletons you wanted.
I’m leaving it there dude.
So your reaction to someone who you think is venting is to antagonize him? Quite a weird appraoch.
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2 minutes ago, Kronos said:
And as a Warhammer enthusiast I entirely disagree with you. Much like Kurnothi, Idoneth, Nighthaunt and Fyreslayers these fellas here are the replacement of an old world faction. And frankly The TK’s aesthetic would have stuck out like a sore thumb. So these guys tick the box of constructs, liches and Grand emperor/king as a lord, and warmachines. The Horses remind me very much of thr ushabati with the varied skulls.
Nighthaunt are just an extension of the few ghost/spirit models that already existed in the Vampire line in WHFB.
Fyreslayers are just an extension of the few Slayer models that already existed in the Dwarfs line in WHFB (and the White Dwarf Slayers list).
Kurnoth are an extension of the few Dryad models that already existed in the Woodelfs line in WHFB (though with a bit of a new spin).
Idoneth are completely new and borrow veeeerry little of the sea themed models from the Highelf and Darkelf lines in WHFB.Likewise this new Death army is just an extension of the Morghast models we got during end times. They tick a few boxes but leave many many boxes empty.
You may be a Warhammer enthusiast but so is everyone else here and obviously people have very different opinions about things despite that.
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1 minute ago, Beliman said:
They are still boring... they are like...every other skeleton.
Their sculpts are nice, but their design... Necrons at least have some type of simplification to make them more in line with sci-fi stuff (no teetch, etc...), fantasy skeletosn are just... skeletons, doens't matter how good you sculpt them, they are still boring.Well different people, different opinions. Nothing to argue here.
However as someone who likes the classic Skeleton look and would agree that the old models look boring I can say that these don't look boring for someone who actually likes that look.
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11 minutes ago, Malakithe said:
Not sure why people are comparing the foot soldiers to skeletons. They're not the risen bodies of the dead. Think of them more like if you built a robot then put some AI in it. The AI takes over the host it was given. These guys are supposed to be more of a proper military organization for Nagash and not some trash you raise from the ground to do all your work for you. They're not beefy skeletons but constructed war machines with the souls of trained professional soldiers
Yeah we know. It's about what people expected/wanted and what we got.
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3 minutes ago, JPjr said:
I'm glad they've gone for something OTT and epic for the Mortarch, I think the Lady Olynder model is great for instance BUT when you actually see it in the plastic and alongside other models from the NH range she's actually a little underwhelming in terms of size/grandeur.
I feel like Lady Olynder shines primarily through a good paintjob instead.
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13 minutes ago, Aryann said:
See generic/boring models fans are on the rise.
First of all I'm glad we are not having a recycled style faction like DoK, where 50% of models are 10 years old. Was really afraid we will be forced to buy dozens of Skeleton Warriors like in the case of Gloomspite Gitz with Stabbas.
Few people argued that Skeletons are just perfectly fine and should stay. C'mon, it's just silly when you compare new vs old (the other sculpts aren't much better)
See people with ridiculous strawman arguments on the rise.
You are comparing old and outdated models with completely new up to date models. A better comparison would be the Sepulchral Guard which don't look generic/boring at all:
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14 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:
Hello fellow HEMA practitioner. I actually dislike the second arm, it hinders a correct cut since it is not a left arm but a second right one. (You can‘t lift the weapon up since the small arm is too short.
Reminds me of this video (the guy is also a HEMA practitioner).
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Just now, xking said:
No, you can dislike it, I just find the complaint that it's "silly" kind of weird.
Well not everyone likes their undead army to be silly. I love silly in the right context but undeads? Nah.
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12 minutes ago, Cronotekk said:
Are people really upset that this wasn't a generic skeleton army like Tomb Kings? Legions of Nagash is already the skeleton army
Not upset. More like disappointed. And no Legions of Nagash isn't really that. ^^
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So uhm yeah ... the Mortarch looks awesome but would be better in a more dynamic pose on his own. This way it looks more like a display piece.
The rest of the range we've seen is a hard pass. I was looking forward to an actual skeleton army, not to a pseudo-skeleton with derpy faces bone construct army. Really not my preference aesthetically. Though the warmachine itself looks great as well I guess.
At least I still don't have to bury my foolish hopes of Tomb Kings just yet since those definitely don't scratch any of those itches.
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Refering to the thread title .... apparently nothing is going on with deathrattle. 😅
19 hours ago, El Syf said:It's not the death release anyone wanted but it's the death release we deserve...
Please tell me how I deserved that so I can repent lol
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8 minutes ago, xking said:
My God, y'all this is Warhammer. It always had silly things in it, there were dwarf miners for the literal giant candles on their head. ( at least when I learned about Warhammer that is)
Your point is? Can't people dislike things anymore?
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The Rumour Thread
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
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I wouldn't say you were lied to per se. The vast majority of models GW released are still useable and the communication is indeed worlds better than it used to be.
It's just that with AoS GW is still in the process of switching from an old game to a new game. They tried the hammer method before and realised it alienated people too much (I'm still surprised it surprised them...), so now they are trying a slow and barely noticeable approach. It's the age old debate of whether one prefers the bandaid to be ripped off in one go or not and there simply is no perfect answer.