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November 10, 2020

2 hours ago, Enoby said:

Hellstriders with claw spears have lost the ability to get +1 attack, traded for +1 damage on their claw when they charge

I'm not sure how I feel about that. On the one hand, it definitely encourages running multiple smaller units, on the other hand it sort of runs counter to the benefits of the seeker cavalcade battalion. Combined with the removal of the battleline status, it's a pretty significant departure from where they stood previously in our repertoire. The -1 to hit on the charge I've heard the hellscourges provide now does offer way more than that option had previously though, so I'm happy to see that our toolbox has been made broader, even if our battleline options (and ability to reduce drops in an efficient way) have narrowed significantly.

November 10, 2020

My hope at this point for a new tome is some way to make hellstriders battleline, and for more dedicated mortal units. There's a great opportunity for the Syll'Esskan host to get codified as something baseline, with an ability that allows for slaanesh marked mortal S2D units to gain the hedonite keyword, and for buffs from slaanesh marked S2D to treat hedonites as slaanesh S2D. Order has some major power pieces that aren't tied to anything beyond the Order keyword, and it's really irritating that Chaos (and maybe Destruction, though I'm less familiar) is so bogged down with multiple keyword restrictions by comparison.

November 7, 2020

5 hours ago, Golub87 said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it clarified sometime ago that keywords referring to the specific name of the god army and god keyword are interchangeable? Meaning that anything that applies to HEDONITE applies to SLAANESH as well?

The only FAQ I'm aware of allowed the S2D battalions to be used in god allegiance armies, nothing about changing keywords, unfortunately.

November 6, 2020

I'd love to see hellscourges made more useful.

November 5, 2020

I think the Lord of Pain might have either a spell or a command ability we don't know about yet. The punch out tokens include two "paragon of depravity" tokens that I don't recall being the name of any existing abilities...

November 5, 2020

I think there's an additional buff from the Lord of Pain we haven't seen rules for yet. Notice the two "paragon of depravity" tokens there... makes me think he's got a command ability that might do something special.

November 4, 2020

24 minutes ago, Popisdead said:

I had the same thought. granted IMO the box doesn't really have value as even splitting it I would rather just wait and buy the single hero.

Has anyone thought about the Infernal Enrapturess(es) lately? I've been toying with them. I'm seeing a lot of negativity towards magic in the meta in the BoC and Sylvaneth threads these days.

I've toyed with the idea of running some kind of weird Slaaneshi gunline with 6 enrapturesses to snipe out enemy heroes and make magic a risky gamble, but it would make the list really vulnerable to return fire and 24" is out of range for some of the more punishing spell builds that I'm aware of.

November 2, 2020

8 hours ago, carnith said:

So based on the preview.

The Slaaneshi Lord of Pain is so inured to agony that they have a chance to disregard any wounds. They also allow nearby Hedonites to re-roll hits as they seek to cause as much pain as possible.

So he likely has either a 5+++ or a 6+++. I doubt we're getting something like a 4+++ fnp. Do you think our reroll hits will be all hits? Or just reroll 1's. We really don't need another way for our units to reroll 1's.

We already have both a 5+++ with the viceleader, and a 4+++ on the masque, so it could really be anywhere on that spectrum.

I'm hoping the "cause as much pain as possible" is some hint to an aura that allows other units to generate depravity, but I'm expecting we're just going to get a beatstick hero with a reroll 1's aura, which we have zero need for.

October 25, 2020

45 minutes ago, 5kaven5lave said:

Sorry, I know this has been asked a bazillion times, but what’s considered the best weapon for a KoS? Hand for cheeky heals?

Generally the hand is seen as the best, for that reason: it helps keep you up on brackets and allows you a handful of extra depravity from incoming damage. Combined with the two healing spells you can stay in the fight just a bit longer.

However that list that placed second recently used the shield, so I think there may be some potential for the other options in the shooting-heavy meta, though I don't feel an immediate need to rebuild or magnetize my existing keepers.

October 22, 2020

47 minutes ago, Beliman said:

Maybe an army of two keywords (Mawtribe style😞Umbraneth (main keyword) and Shadowkin/Daughters of Khaine (second keyword)??

I'm expecting that the DoK will be rolled into umbraneth, which will be a book that does the multifaction thing (like LoN, GSG, Ogors, Orruks, Cities, Skaven, etc...), since there's a definite precedent for it. We can probably assume they'll still be separated for buffs and command abilities, with maybe faction rules for running "pure" armies of one or the other. Though they might surprise us with something completely different.

October 22, 2020

You're going to need battleline choices, though you actually get three with the start collecting box (2 units of 5 warriors, one of knights). From there you're probably going to be best served with ravagers for summoning cultists, though you'll get some amount of use for them in cabalists as sacrifices, and despoilers gives some additional possibilities for the monsters, but will require at least one daemon prince to make use of most of the bonuses.

October 18, 2020

Slaanesh can work with this, though unfortunately keepers aren't as worthwhile as they used to be. If you want to go Godseekers you could run something like:

Keeper 380

Bladebringer on exalted chariot 220

Seeker chariot 120

That's 8 models at 2000 points. For objectives you'll still have to keep some daemonettes on hand to summon, but whether or not that brings it into horde territory is up to your personal definition.

October 18, 2020

I would imagine despoilers S2D would be the way to go, with healing and line of sight shenanigans.

I've been tempted to run something to the effect of:

Allegiance: Slaves to Darkness -

Damned Legion: Despoilers

LEADERS

Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)- General- Command Trait: Radiance of Dark Glory - Sword- Artefact: Diabolic Mantle - Mark of Chaos: Slaanesh

Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)- Sword- Mark of Chaos: Slaanesh

Be'Lakor (240)

Chaos Sorcerer Lord on Manticore (260)- Mark of Chaos: Slaanesh- Spell: Mask of Darkness

UNITS

20 x Chaos Marauders (160)- Axes & Shields- Mark of Chaos: Slaanesh

5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Hand Weapon & Shield

BEHEMOTHS

Soul Grinder (210)- Mark of Chaos: Slaanesh

ENDLESS SPELLS / TERRAIN / COMMAND POINTS

Soulsnare Shackles (40)

I'm not sure if Slaanesh is the optimal mark here, but it's mostly on account of how I've converted all my stuff.

October 14, 2020

On 10/13/2020 at 12:52 PM, Popisdead said:

I have but it was really long ago. I considered the 3" reach weapon.

But after reading the warscroll for Seekers and comparing,.. and thinking Seekers are good. They gain bonus attacks as the game goes on, and with some tricksy healing they could be really effective. cb42 was the guy who espoused the use of them.

so that's the mobile aspect of the block. If you wanted a serious threat as a large block Bestigors perform much better. 4+ save 30W, can move really far with a GBS and cogs.

However I always espouse people try things like this. people should try new things. It coudl turn out to be really effective or you stumble upon a new tactic/combo not yet tried and helps.

Also does anyone know the list that took #1 that was Slaanesh from the weekend tourney? Same tournament as the 16 Cockatrice guy.

I plan on running the hellstriders alongside seekers and/or knights, as I definitely recognize both of those have more punch, though the former is comparatively fragile (though can get my drops lower).

From what I've heard the list was:

KoS x2

Bladebringer on exalted x3

10 Daemonettes x3

October 11, 2020

So, something occurred to me back when warriors and hellstriders were v the same points, and despite a slight difference I find myself coming back to the idea: has anyone considered a large block of hellstriders as a tanky and mobile anvil for a Slaanesh list? They don't generate depravity, but for 330 points you get 30 wounds with a 4+ save that jump up to 5 attacks each after dealing a single casualty in a preceding combat phase. Running in a lurid haze Invaders army they could potentially have a 3+ save as well, which is nothing to scoff at, and with a 6" pile-in from their battalion they can manage to get a fair number of bodies swinging in a given phase. I still only see use in the claw spears for loadout, but I think this might have some potential.

October 10, 2020

15 hours ago, Thalassic Monstrosity said:

Hi everyone!

What's everyone's take on mortal-heavy Slaaneshi armies? I hear a lot of disparaging for Warriors or Knights in comparison to Marauders, but if Marauders weren't an option how would they fare?

Mortal heavy lists without marauders run into the issue of our best mortal battleline unit (hellstriders) having no synergy with S2D faction buffs. So you're basically left with warriors and knights. Warriors will stand up to some punishment in units of at least 15, but even at that size they're not going to dish out any appreciable hurt. Knights on the other hand are okay defensively, but will mill around accomplishing nothing in combat if you don't kill on the charge with lances, or will be outclassed by daemonettes if you go with ensorcelled weapons.

I've been contemplating running paired units of knights and hellstriders, to pin down enemies the knights need an extra turn to reach, and to provide something that actually gets stronger the longer it's in combat to contrast the lance knights ineffectiveness past the first round.

Here's hoping the Lord of Pain gives us something to help make our mortals shine.

May 13, 2020

6 hours ago, Popisdead said:

Is Be'lakor a good addition to Slaanesh or well,. is using Slaanesh and Be'lakor in the Legion of Chaos Ascendant a good option? It has been a while (who knows how long during lockdown right? haha) since I read the slaanesh options but I recall being intrigued by them.

I haven't tried it myself and don't have more than secondhand knowledge of the rules, so I can't say for sure on the legion. It seems pretty good, but you miss out on the exploding 6's to hit, which would be a pretty significant tradeoff. Be'lakor however I'm considering using as an ally in tournament lists for sure, mostly as insurance against CoS bridge lists in tournaments.

May 8, 2020

On 5/6/2020 at 4:43 PM, backslide said:

Seeker chariots I have 4 can I make them useful?

There's basically 4 things I could see you using those for:

1. Summoning. Seeker chariots are really points efficient for summoning and can do enough work that they're not a terrible option to have in your toolkit.

2. Run 3 x 1 for battleline in a godseekers list. You could use the last one as a bladebringer to put them all in one list.

3. Run them all as bladebringers. Offensively they're not as efficient as a BB on exalted chariot, however on a wounds per point defensive level they're actually more efficient. This opens up potential combos like running them in a Syll'Esskan host, lining them up within 12" of Syll'Esske and throwing a wheels of excruciation across them. That's an average of three wounds dealt to each, doubled to 24 depravity on turn 1. The wheels literally cannot kill them outright, and regardless of how many wounds they take they don't diminish in effectiveness. Could definitely be a thing.

4. Run them in a Legion of Chaos Ascendant list. Since they have the daemonette keyword Belakor can bring back whole-model casualties.

Hopefully that gives you some ideas to start. I'd be happy to hear how any of those work out.

April 28, 2020

2 hours ago, Forehead said:

I'm coming over to Slaves from BoC Just a quick one about the Darkoath Chieftain which I think is an obvious yes but worth confirming as I don't want to miss out on any MWs - does he have to be alive at the end of the combat phase for the ability deathblow to work?

Yes, since the least part of the ability requires you to measure distance from "this model" he would need to be on the board.

April 27, 2020

7 hours ago, TheGrayKing said:

The low model count starting on the board seems really nice and being able to consistently charge with the Chariots sounds good in theory. I'm not trying to build the most competitive Slaanesh army because my local meta isn't super competitive, the most competitive army in my meta is a guy who built Gristlegore FEC because he thought it looked like a ton of fun.

So how do you think my army idea would do in a meta consisting of Khorne (both mortals and daemons from 2 separate players), Stormcast, Nurgle, CoS, FEC, Spuig GSG, Seraphon, Nighthaunt and potentially Idoneth Deepkin?

My meta has been lacking in some of those, so I can't speak from experience with all of them, but you should be able to keep up with most of those. Most of those crumble if you kick out their support pieces, which shouldn't be terribly difficult. Godseekers from aqshy can have two flying keepers, or in your case a flying keeper and bladebringer, which can do some work.

What may give you problems potentially is CoS, but their effectiveness varies tremendously depending on which city it is, and how much shooting they bring. Also maybe seraphon? I didn't have the opportunity to play them before everything shut down, but just like with CoS having strong casting, teleportation and good shooting gives us issues.

April 27, 2020

2 minutes ago, TheGrayKing said:

Thanks for the extensive reply, I was planning normal Godseekers with a list looking something like this.

Keeper of Secrets - General

Bladebringer on Exalted Chariot

Infernal Enrapturess

The Contorted Epitome

Seeker Cavalcade Battalion:

3 Seeker Chariots (Battleline)

2 10x Seekers.

40x Daemonnetes for summoning and some other heroes.

Part of the reason I'm planning it this way is because I was planning on buying 4 Start Collecting boxes because they seem to have some great value.

I haven't done much with regular seeker chariots, so I can't comment on their effectiveness, but the ability to retreat and charge is great, especially with the mortal wounds and the extra little bit of depravity from that many charging Godseeker units. I've been considering picking some up myself, if only for the days I don't want to deal with high model counts on the board.

April 26, 2020

21 minutes ago, TheGrayKing said:

Hello all, I'm taking the jump to Chaos with Slaanesh and I'm planning on running a Godseekers Host army, what would be a good build for Godseekers?

Are you running normal Godseekers, or Scarlet Cavalcade Godseekers from Wrath of the Everchosen?

Also, do you prefer using beasts of chaos (depraved drove battalion is required for the Slaanesh keyword), daemons, or mortals? All three can work on their own, but generally you're going to be most optimal with a force that's primarily daemons with some mortal units.

Due to the way depravity generation works you're going to want a lot of heroes. I try to run 6 when I can, but usually not less than 4. Some people go as low as 3 that I've seen, but since you need a hero alive on the board for summoning that's a risky choice.

Some must-pick choices:

1-3 Keepers. At least one is a must- have for the command ability. They're great sources of depravity and do a lot of work. Also the only reliable source of locus after the nerf. You might not field three to start, but having the model for a third is useful when you get the ball rolling on depravity.

1 Contorted Epitome. Our best caster. Rerolls to cast and dispel, great for handing out "strikes last" debuffs and has a useful unique spell.

Useful choices that largely depend on playstyle:

1-2 Bladebringers on exalted chariot. These do a lot of work and don't degrade in effectiveness as they take damage. Good unique spell that can be cast multiple times in a turn.

1-3 units of 5 hellstriders with clawspears (cheap, fast and sturdyish battleline)

1-2 units of 40 marauders with axe & shield. Charge a minimum of 9" in Godseekers, and put out a tremendous number of attacks. They lose their rend once they're less than 20 models and die to harsh language, so get them in combat ASAP. Also battleline.

1 Sorceror Lord on Manticore. Excellent unique spell, good support for Slaanesh slaves to darkness units.

1-2 Infernal Enrapturesses. Helpful for sniping out support characters, especially if your opponent is running heavy on magic-hate. Really fragile, however.

30-60 daemonettes. Either field them in big mobs, or summon as needed to flood objectives with weight of numbers at crucial times.

5-15 seekers. Fastest cavalry in the game, decently killy for taking out backline shooting or support threats. Very fragile. Good choice for summoning.

The Masque. Surprisingly resilient, and decently killy. Makes for a good designated survivor for summoning purposes.

Generally our choices are strong, but I would avoid fiends for now. I would also keep in mind that the general's handbook will be out in a month or two (though COVID-19 might delay that), and so our point costs may change significantly enough that these choices will be better or worse.

April 5, 2020

17 hours ago, JackOfBlades said:

Looking at Slaanesh and I am taking a fancy to hellstriders, but while going over the Hosts options it struck me that even though they are technically battleline, no host really seems like a fit for them.

- Invaders are supposed to be based on Epicurean Revellers, not Seeker Cavalcades, even though you aren't penalized for not adhering to this.
- Pretenders' battle brait only applies to units with 10 or more models, which means your army effectively won't have it unless you take units of 15+ hellstriders. Those units may not necessarily be bad in themselves, but you are put into a straitjacket in terms of spending points that will heavily alter what you could include in the rest of your list. Doesn't seem like a fit.
- Godseekers are supposed to fill out their battleline with seeker chariots so they can generate depravity with retreat and charge, not hellstriders. So even though you would assume this would be the best fit, in actuality it is likely the worst.

Ironically it seems that Invaders is actually the best fit for hellstriders. Hellstriders can reach the enemy territory faster than daemonettes can if needed, and other than a battalion you may not take anyway, there is no inherent penalty for them (Pretenders) or superfluous overlap (Godseekers). What do you guys think? Any other perspectives?

I actually utilize hellstriders quite a bit in my godseekers lists. Regular seeker chariots just have a difficult time justifying their points, as they're more points than hellstriders and the amount of depravity you get for having multiple chargers just isn't actually enough to build around. I'd much rather spend those spare points towards another keeper.

It's also worth noting that ironically the seeker cavalcade battalion that's "supposed" to be good for godseekers actually allows units to bypass charging to pile in from 6", which is kind of anti-synergistic.

Overall hellstriders' role is to be cheap battleline that's durable enough to hold objectives. That's something that fits any of the hosts.

April 5, 2020

3 hours ago, Tasman said:

So far, I, like you, struggle to fit them into a list. I really think the biggest fail is that they aren't even fitted into a single battalion (other than the W&R one).

I can't even justify summoning them in, as there are better choices there, too. It's a shame. I REALLY want to put them out there......

They can be included with Epicurean Revelers, but it doesn't actually do anything for them. Only Daemonette keyword units.

The only way I could see to use them is in a major anti-caster skew build, alongside a couple of epitomes, enrapturesses, and maybe an allied curseling.

Something like:

Keeper

Epitome

Enrapturess

Hellstriders x5

Fiends x3

Allies:

Curseling

Spells:

Mesmerizing Mirror

April 3, 2020

5 hours ago, sabres1226 said:

Thanks for all of your guys comments and advice.

It definitely seems like marauders are a popular choice, but I have also heard good things about them in other armies too (Hedonites of Slaneesh)

Is there anything the STD book that buffs them in a similar/better way then these other cases?

PS. What I know about the marauders and HOS is from before they were changed around so maybe they are not that good in that type of army anymore, I am just not caught up.

Mostly as others have pointed out the marauders benefit from the teleportation spell, which is S2D only. However, if you're running Slaanesh allegiance you can use the Lurid Haze Invaders host, which gives you a guaranteed turn 1 setup 9 inches from the enemy at the end of your movement phase with d3 units, which is roughly equivalent, or better if you're facing tough anti-magic armies. I suppose it's worse in a total commitment battleplan, but you still get a +1 save command ability which is pretty incredible on its own.

The other thing to consider with Slaanesh marauders is that the allegiance has basically no buffing spells to speak of, so you're going to need to rely on other S2D pieces to support your dudes. Also nothing your marauders do will generate depravity (beyond being in enemy territory for Invaders, but that's a negligible amount). They'll do a lot of work though, and put a threat in your opponent's face on turn one that can lock down critical defenses so you can move into position and get where you need to go.

In short slaves to darkness doesn't really give slaanesh marauders bonuses you can't get some amount of elsewhere, and with seraphon in the meta it's probably not a safe bet to bank on a strategy that hinges on a single, difficult to cast spell.

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