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We can only really expect adjustments to lowering our points. Theres nothing that's inherently broken/op/needs a bump. Many of the meh units need a 10/20/30 PT drop to do some work that is worth it. However it will not fix the general 'nothing is amazong' in the book, unless something is so far changed it becomes spammable.
However it's very encouraging they aren't just leaving all the recent books where they are.
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Generals handbook next week boys! Exciting stuff!
I'm really interested in new missions. Not that I've played at all since the last one, but hopefully that means my first game can be with new missions people haven't got used to yet.
On an aside, I painted a MLoK yesterday in around 4-5 hours excluding base using the new contrast paints and a couple highlights afterwards. They are simply fantastic. The flesh is beautiful, the orange is perfect and the black works wonders, making it very easy to do (and get right) unlike it is usually. However I found that you must be very careful with its application on cloaks and loincloths as his big cape went pretty blotchy unfortunately. However the orange on the flesh hound I did is VERY nice. That followed by a drybrush looks amazing, then pick out the details with different colours and the model looks great.
I seriously recommend getting to your local store on Saturday early to pick up what you want, because GW is already sold out of many colours and the popular ones will go VERY quickly.
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1 minute ago, MortalRealmMike said:
My Bloodthirster
Dayummmmmm man
That is one conversion. What did you use?
Awesome!
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2 hours ago, jazman84 said:
Sorry if hard to see much. Skarroc and the Big dude are only primed.
Exalted Thirster is about 9in high at the axe. He's on a smaller base cause I magged him so I can use him for a WoK Thirster too.
Skarbrand and the Blood Warriors painted by my mate https://www.facebook.com/ham.solo.9026
He did mine for free, but he does good quality commissions, check his page. Based in Australia.
That exalted bloodthirster is a big beefy boy! He's massive!
Now all you need to complete the collection is a certain khornate dragon 😉.
Speaking of which, I don't think this has been discussed yet, do people think there are any synergies with vorgorath and skalok? (Think that's how to spell it). He slots right into any khorne army, having the bloodhound keyword. However he is 1200 points. The same as skarbrand and his tyrants of blood.
Couple slaughterpriests? Hit on 2s, get a 2+ save. Then maybe karanak and all flesh hounds.
The amount of damage the dragon can output is just crazy. And it's MASSIVE. like HUGE. Imagnine that getting into your battleline, nuh uh.
Cheers guys.
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For matched play, I don't really think forbidden power is that good at all. It's not bringing much to the table for khorne at all really, and the relics are for only open/narrative aren't they.
No endless spells, we already have a better terrain piece for our army, relics are unusable.
Get it if you'd like, I just don't think it's bringing anything for khorne.
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1 hour ago, AresX8 said:
I finally sat down and magnetized the whip and used him last night and I was very impressed by him.
I'd be interested if you could walk me through hoe you did this. I've built mine as a WoK but magnetising would be very useful for me, not least as it helps portablity. Is it a case if magnetising the forearm?
Cheers
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Here's pictures of my finished thirster (taken whilst assembling my next one 😝)
Extremely happy with the result, I've put in a lot of work to achieve it. As the first large model I've ever painted, and I'm 15, I'm amazed at myself
The orange came out lovely. After the first couple coats of troll slayer, I was getting worried. But after the second coat of fire dragon, a wash and careful highlights I'm very pleased. Decided to go with a very bright orange for the veins- lugganath 70- white 30. Makes them visible for sure.
the line highlights on the wings here took... A long time. Looks ok thookh.
Really happy with he gradient I managed with the horns, and I nailed eyes for once.
I'm a bit eh on the weapon tbh. I painted this way as it's going to amberglaive/ghyrstike so I wanted a relic kind of feel. I'm happy with what I did with the teeth however, more gradient practice!
Im very very happy with the base. It's not what I was going for, I wanted a kind of dried up river effect but I think I overdid the blood. Like usual:/. The corkboard banks I will definitely use in the rest of the army. Possibly with my mortal stuff I could get rid of the blood, say it is coming from the daemons, and add a small trickle of a stream? I don't know. It looks pretty nice though. Plenty of drybrush goes a long way.
You can't see it too well in either photo of the base, but I'm really happy with the flames I did, and the kind of osl I tried with their glow. Drybrushing and more drybrushing! Does mean that those skulls in the recesses didn't get lit. Which is annoying. I might just wash them red?
This will likely be my entry into the everchosen painting competition as well, into the youngbloods category because of my age- I might have a small chance!
Hope you like it! Any good/bad feedback appreciated, it's what I need to improve.
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I'll upload photos of my bloodthirster tomorrow, as I'm just finishing off its base right now. It's an interesting method I've gone for, hope it works...
Overjoyed with how it looks otherwise though, would love to share.
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3 hours ago, Tsorg said:
Yup, as for lore Knights Excelsior units are mostly hard hitting retributors turning enemy to ash but becouse of the rules I feel cheated whenever for instance 20 model unit gets 19 models destroyed, one flee and I get nothing from that trait. So far I am playing as whenever I destroy a unit in combat I get the benefit. Any thought Stormcast players ?
I'd say that the trait only triggers if the unit is destroyed after having its last wounds inflicted by that knights Excelsior unit.
Yes it's lackluster, but in terms of khorne, the units that run are still destroyed as they leave the battlefield- the knights, if the last guy runs, haven't actually killed that unit.
Does suck lore wise though
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5 hours ago, ChaosLord said:
Assume you meant to say Reapers of Vengeance with the command ability Leave None Alive.
Ah yes, of course.
Doh!
Apologies lordDrakonus if I confused you.
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39 minutes ago, LordDrakonus said:
@fwlr Thank for the help! I've decided to go with the second option BUM RUSH!
Allegiance: Khorne
- Slaughterhost: The Bloodlords
Leaders
Skarbrand (400)
- General
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage (280)
- Artefact: Harvester of Skulls
Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury (300)
- Artefact: Halo of Blood
Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster (320)
Karanak (140)
Battleline
5 x Flesh Hounds (100)
5 x Flesh Hounds (100)
5 x Flesh Hounds (100)
Battalions
Tyrants of Blood (140)
Blood Hunt (120)
Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 91
Awesome man I hope you enjoy it!
Just a couple things with that specific iteration of quad thirster list- the first being you need to switch from bloodlords
skullreapers here is far more crucial because as the list is 100% daemons, every unit is eligible to fight twice. I assure you it will be vital to success, for example used on skarbrand during his first round of combat- a guaranteed 16(!) Mortal wounds is fantastic, and he benefits massively from the second fight. (And, personally, I really like the 'charred limbs' look of the skullreapers with their blackened arms and legs, if you can get a gradient going with stippling or glazing it looks awesome.
Also, the general trait + skullreapers relic on the WoK makes him an anti-magic powerhouse. So switch to skullreapers, and give the WoK the compulsory stuff as he takes it well.
The two extra battalions net you two more artefacts as well- one for each of the other thirsters.
Here is a choice of realm (if you want the best combo with the insensate rage thirster)- do you want to come from realm of life or beasts? As you were looking for a monster mash list, the realm of beasts suits well. So give him the realm only artifact amberglaive for +1 to hit and +1 range on his weapon. This lets him fight over units, and makes him far more reliable as now he always hit 3+rr1s, far more reliable than 4+rr1s. The difference is very tangible, hitting on 4s suuuucks.
Now for the second artifact on the unfettered. personally I would go for the one that lets you, at the start of the combat phase, fight on a 4+. This, combined with his pile in ability, and tyrants of blood, means on a 4+(with positioning) you fight before everything else with skarbrand, the insensate and the unfettered without needing to charge (by using the method I outlined in my last post). This opens up some very very potent combos available for the list, without missing out on fighting twice.
Again, hope this helps. Enjoy the list! No idea how well it would perform, but definitely fun rushing 4 bloodthirsters. Considering getting it myself actually....
Cheers.
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1 hour ago, LordDrakonus said:
Looking to do a monster mash that's not FEC and thirsters seem baller thoughts on this list for a semi-competitive list
Allegiance: Khorne
- Slaughterhost: The Bloodlords
Leaders
Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster (320)
- General
- Trait: Slaughterer's Thirst
- Artefact: Halo of Blood
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage (280)
- Artefact: Khartoth the Bloodhunger
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage (280)
Skulltaker (120)
Battleline
30 x Bloodletters (300)
10 x Flesh Hounds (200)
10 x Flesh Hounds (200)
Battalions
Tyrants of Blood (140)
Murderhost (160)
Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 117
Looks pretty decent for mono daemons I guess, but your lack of +1 attacks here is killer. Thid especially hurts the bloodletters, making them next to useless really (espesh as bloodlords)
First thing I'd do, drop myrderhost. Pretty bad for 160 tax for your chaff. Way better options that that, and imo drop the letters too.
Then, I'd swap the second insensate for skarbrand OR, probably better, an unfettered. The insensate needs to be hitting on 3s, or be rerolling to hit. WoKBT does this, or put the relic from tyrants on him (ghyrstike or amberglaive, choose a realm)
The difference here between bloodlords and skullreapers is pretty crucial. If you do swap for an unfettered, you can pretty much fight at the start anyway by using some clever positioning. Move up to within 6 of the units you want to charge with all three thirsters, and trigger his ability so they can pile into combat. This lets them in effect fight at the start, as there is no combat until after all three have struck as there was noone in combat. Then, as skullreapers, you can fight twice with them too.
You definitely NEED a source of +1 attack. A bloodsecrator, wrathmongers, both. Your choice probably ends up with your battleline choice and remaining points, as 2x5 of wrathmongers is much better.
After that, a slaughterpriest or two is also crucial. Access to judgements for MWs and board control, MWs himself, buff your units, get to bring free rerolls to pray in the altar. +1 sv on the thirster you need to save or blood warriors or anything for that matter is magnificent, +1 to hit on the insensate is very good. More chances for 6s to wound is lovely.
For the third battleline, as hounds are great, personally I would use BWs. They create an anvil for your buffing characters or mongers to hide/fight from behind, and love to die- but are hardy. Bloodletters are supposedly a glass hammer, just like the bloodthirsters are already.
So: no murderhost, thus no letters or skulltaker
Different thirsters
+1 attack
Slaughterpriest(s)
Battleline other than bloodletters
Should then operate very well.
However, if you're looking for full daemons, an alternative is to just bumrush with tyrants- unfettered insensate and skarbrand, then a blood hunt with the WoKBT for four
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Well when's the GHB coming out? If its around the time of contrast I'm going to be over the moon as that means I can build my force to the GHB and get started painting chaff right away. My bloodthirsters are going to be all done by 'hand' but things like hounds and bloodletters are going to LOVE contrast
On that note, what feasible changes are you expecting to see for khorne? I don't think many apart from some cost decreases for a handful of units- but which units?
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Hiya guys, I'm looking for some feedback on my list again. I'm getting back into SCE after soul wars last year (got sidetracked by 40k) and have made a list that is only £30 more stuff I need. I'm using celestial vindicators because I think they're cool, and my dudes are painted in quite a grimdark colour scheme - dark, weathered steel all over with spots of gold, and glowing blue power. Easy to paint, looks decent too👍. I guess I'd be up to switching to another stormhost but I'm not about to buy £100+ of characters and units, I'm using what I've got.
Vindicators
Arcanum on gryph, general + relic vindicators. Azryite halo. 240 (can swap to a foot dude, made one with my spare evocator.) (Could drop to foot, drop shackles + CP and take an incantor too)
Castellant. 100
Ordinator. 140
4 ballistas 400 (could drop one to switch up a bit, saves me some cash too)
20 sequitors 400
2x5 sequitors 240
2x5 evocators
Extra CP and shackles.
The only other options to swap stuff is for libs and other endless spells (+incantor) I've got some paladins even though they aren't great. I've got relictor etc stuff from old old box.
What do you guys think? Do I really need to switch to anvils? My place is definitely not very competitive.
Edit- I just remembered I wanted to ask- how do I make the ballistas more accurate? Ordinator obviously, but I head people here having them hit on 2+s. Just can't remember how.
Cheers
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What about a blood hunt at 1500?
It's not the greatest battalion of all time by any means, but more than it seems fun fluffy & fast.
I was thinking:
Skullreapers blood hunt:
WoK thirster, general, gryph feather charm. 320
Karanak 140
6 bloodcrushers 280
2x5 flesh hounds 200
2x5 wrathmongers/ wrathmongers+ secrator 280
Slaughterpriest with wrathaxe and bronzed flesh for the thirster.
That puts out lots of MWs, whil not being the best it looks fun. Just a thought I had during revision had to get it on paper lol.
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How crucial are people finding the judgements? Are you wanting to find room for them in every list you make, or are they a bit meh, and they're nice to have if there's a few points going spare?
The wrath axe seems just brutal, but at 60 points I'm finding it hard to stick on the end of many of my lists.
Thoughts?
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5 minutes ago, Xasz said:
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Indeed.
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18 hours ago, Rid said:
Looking to go competitive with stormcast, I’m thinking a shooty pop n drop list will do nicely.
I'd drop that 4th ballista. Then you've got 180 points. Then can buy you 3 more longstrikes, a much better target for anvils cmd ability in a squad of 9.
I've noticed you've not gone anvils? Do that.
However you could clump up those sequitors and take more judicators for even more of an emphasis on shooting.
At that point, with a 20 blob, you can't go wrong with a lord castellant. He'll make that unit a FANTASTIC screen for all your shooting behind it, as well as it being more than a bit killy. Maybe get rid of incantor?
Looks good however though.
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7 hours ago, Sleboda said:
I have had three bloodthirsters one-shotted in the last two games. They do not reflect their lore status at all.
Are you running tyrants of blood then?
I'm really interested as to how they're working for people, I'm slowly building up a list for them. What is your list? What thirsters are you using? Battleline?
If you've got some battle reports, (even of those that went completely sideways) I'd love to hear them.
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So how useful do we reckon this is for us? If it costs nothing and we get it ON TOP of the altar, I don't see the reason to not take it really.
It does affect enemies which could be as much of a problem as it provides a buff. However wholly within 12 might be difficult for enemies to get into, if we are clever with positioning.
What do we think?
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People asking for new BWs sprues seems like a bit of wishful thinking imo. The models are perfect, but we're just different to some other units on special weapons. All that needs to be done for BWs is make them 80 or 90. Then they'll be just fineee
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20 hours ago, Warbossironteef said:
Hi All,
Do you think the below is a competitive take on Goretide? The extra CP point is great because it can allow you to fly across a whipped unit of BWs and then auto run your BT so that it has a 22 inch threat range. The Lord and Skullreapers follow up and both have the added bonus of being able to be whipped.
Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury (300)
- Artefact : Thronebreaker's Torc
Chaos Lord on Manticore (250)
- General
- Command Trait : Hew the Foe
- Blade & Lance
- Artefact : Dimensional Blade
Bloodsecrator (140)
Slaughterpriest (100)
Slaughterpriest (100)
Bloodstoker (80)
UNITS
15 x Blood Warriors (300)
- Goreaxe & Gorefist
10 x Bloodreavers (70)
- Meatripper Axes
10 x Bloodreavers (70)
- Meatripper Axes
10 x Skullreapers (360)
- Goreslick Blades
BATTALIONS
Gore Pilgrims (140)
ENDLESS SPELLS
Hexgorger Skulls (40)
TOTAL: 1950/2000Looks super solid. Really like the sound of this list.
Why not go all in, drop the skulls+ thirster down to an insensate rage then get 20 BW's. The extra bloodglaive is huge.
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On 5/1/2019 at 8:11 PM, HammerOfSigmar said:
I don't think that's an average MW output, even two rounds of attack, 10a, there will be 5 hits on average, less than 1 natural 6 wound rolls, which means three bloodthirster do 12 MW average.
3 bloodthirster to do 30+MW is not an average cases.
In my opinion, consider extreme cases is not very helpful, this is because if you are super lucky 4 ballista can do 96 wound on your enemy with -2 rend, which will wipe out almost the whole army in just a single shooting phase, but I doubt anyone get that happen since the ballista is released.....
Ah, but skarbrand.
On his own does a guaranteed 8 mortal wounds per attack with carnage if not in combat last round. If he rolls a 6 it doubles. You can assume that he has a bloodsecrator buff, otherwise it is badly positioned. So that's 16 guaranteed MW, adding 8 for every 6.
Then he piles in and immediately strikes again. Average of 32 +(4/6 X 8) = 37.3MWs, and that's not accounting for his 20 other 4+2+ -2 3dmg attacks.
Yeah, he's a beast. But a beast with a 10" no fly move and 16 wounds with a 4+ save for 400 points. Shoot and magic off the board. (Although then the other two come smash face instead😉)
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21 hours ago, fwlr said:
Hey guys,
I'm a regular poster over on the khorne thread, as I'm getting back into aos with a triple thirster tyrants of blood list because that play style really sparked my interests, and I love khorne.
However way back when I was younger I got the old starter set (as well as the little one with two easy to build sets in) stormcast side, and more recently upon release of 2.0 got 2 sides of stormcast soulwars + some other stuff. But I've never really got into it as I never had a functioning 2k list that I was happy to use against some of the regulars at the store. Plus, kill team got in the way😉. So because I'm trying to get back into AoS I thought I might as well see what I can do with my stormcast lot. From what I've seen, heard, and used (once) stormcast are nutty good, especially sacrosanct stuff.
So here's the stuff I've got:
Vandus, relictor, 15 libs, 3 prosecutors, 10 retributors
2x gryph arcanum guy
Foot arcanum guy
2 incantors
2 ballistas, 10 castigators and lord ordinator
30 sequitors, 13 or so greatmaces(need a way to make more though)
10 evocators
That's quite a large chunk of stuff I've got from just started boxes and some extras. Now I know that the current stormcast strategies usually synergise around a block of 20 sequitors (and 2x5 extra) which I have, perfect. Also I have the arcanums to make them battleline. Then I have a block of 10 evocators, which I have used in a few games and are absolutely ridiculous and I love them.
From that base of arcanum (on foot or charger), 20 sequitors, 2x5 sequitors + 10 evocators, does anyone have any tips of where to go from there?
I'm happy to spend another about £80-100 on stormcast stuff for a 2k comp list. One thing I need is a castellant. I could use gav... Quite tempting. So I'll need another unit and some more characters. Vexillor? Azryos? Gav? All of them?
On the point of stormhost, which do you guys like most? I could go for anvils and take 12 hurricane raptors with a relictor to translocate, I could go all out cleansing phalanx with another 10 evocators, maybe even more than that. Celestial vindicators here? Another stormhost? None at all for staunch defender?! Hammers of sigmar does look pretty good for gav and the WL trait.
Cheers for any replies guys, hopefully I can sort a list to use before the inevitable GHB19 nerfbat.
*Edit* sorry this is all over the place. It's barely readable lol. This is me trying to get across my thoughts after staying up too late looking at the guys rules again.
Hey guys just realized my post kind of got lost at the end of the last page, and I'd really like people to give their opinions on what makes a bombass competitive stormcast list and how I can make one.
Cheers.
the line highlights on the wings here took... A long time. Looks ok thookh.
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With the new meeting engagements ruleset I bet this GHB will be great for you.
Or you could pick up a pack of open war cards and design missions / draw missions based on that.
In terms of replay value, I have to agree that maelstrom from 40k just beats out any other mission really imo. Same game can go many many ways.