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8 minutes ago, Aelfric said:
You classify it as being in a) because you have made the decision that the price for a Megagargant is not fair and therefore anybody who disagrees with your decision does not know the value of money. But money is simply a means of purchasing things and therefore the value of money per se is subjective. Your value of money is yours, nobody elses. If I have a different outlook on the monetary value of a Megagargant, it simply means that I see the value of money differently from you - it does not mean I do not understand the value of money.
You say you could spend $320 on a Megagargant or make that $320 go much further. I say I want a Megagargant can I afford to buy one. It's a matter of perspective.
The only thing which makes money subjective is different uses of it, so basically either you have more since you aren't buying these big monsters, or you simply make more than the rest of us. Some people place little value on it and live happy lives, but it is very hard to have a view of money that is very low, and still play Warhammer due to the cost. The only thing I have to say on the rich side of viewing money as an unimportant thing is that considering that view close to what most of us have to look at money as is very inaccurate. Now, 3rd party is great and all, but there is no way to defend the mega gargants price from a perspective of a consumer. Yes, it does make sense that they want more money, but we want them to spend our money better, not just increase the amount of shops everywhere.
I believe that last point is literally the exact same thing as well, both of you are saying can I afford it, if not what else can I do with it. For some other people (such as myself) I really badly want a mega gargant, but I literally cannot afford it. If it had been a 150 - 140, I might have been able to squeeze it in but now with this raised price they lost more money. I really do think this will affect their sales negatively, because it's not every King Brodd who buy 2 to 2 Jack Streichers who buy nothing, its every King Brodd who buys one - 2 to 3-5 Jack Streichers or Sttufes who dont buy it. And when it flops, GW will abandon it, and then it will be squatted.-
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That's a fair point, we talk a lot about "we get more plastic from this" or "this has less part" when the fact is the only thing limiting is how many moulds they have to make the model sprues with, cuz plastic is super cheap. Sure paying their designers are expensive and all, and it's great to have a store everywhere (even though it still takes 2 weeks for a model set to ship like 30 miles), and I love the fact that their investing it abck in the company, but how much would it really hurt them to sell an army at a slightly lower price, say 150 (US) dollars, or improve shipping lines to Australia so it isn't 320. Hell, build a factory in America or China or something, but right now they are going back to Old World poor management.
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How'd you get that really nice purple on the blades? It looks amazing.
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7 minutes ago, Marcvs said:
yeah, that's what I fear. and yet the article on the mercenaries specifically mentions the magic thingy hanging from his ear
yeah, it was also an aelven artifact but it gives him some other ability which means he attacks last but he re rolls I believe
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1 hour ago, LuminethMage said:
I don’t think so. Humans are again the ones being basically everywhere. They are even the most populous people in places like Ulgu. I doubt that elves and dwarves can ever challenge them in this setting.
But I agree, and I’m super happy that they did away with the elves and dwarves are on their way out trope. This has been done to death and is the default position in 99% of fantasy settings. I don’t think they’ll rival the humans, but at least if you are an elf or dwarf players you are not constantly in that - everything can only become shittier whatever you do, because numbers lol - position.
Im a bit afraid though that with Broken Realms we are heading exactly that way again with the elves. They have a bloody civil a war, Slaanesh coming back and boom again 90 % of the elves gone and everything is totally ******, and doom and gloom going forward.
Even the duardin will be sad, as who will we have too make fun of? Seriously though, would be a real shame if the aelves were all massacred because we all know who would be next on the chain.
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7 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:
Allies rules of SoB are out: this is the worse possible thing that I could imagine and this definitely kills my interest to SoB miniatures: I wanted to be able to choose the Behemats to ally to each specific build of each specific army that I have. But instead, you only have the choice of ONE giant kind for chaos, one for order and one for Death (and all for destruction). This is a completly dumb restrictive yet arbitrary rule. I won't buy any of those mini. I just play them with proxy that I will print (3D resin).
That was released in an article earlier this week I believe. I think it's sorta cool, and it adds some personality with the extra rule. I obviously won't be referring to my gargant as Bundo, but I will be using those rules.
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10 minutes ago, SleeperAgent said:
Compare it to a Stardrake. It is way better. The amount of 2 damage attacks is roughly 3 times that of the stardrake. Not counting the other attacks. Stuff em in the bag is similar to cavernous jaws. And these guys have more than double the wounds.
On top of that, the Ironclad costs 500 and the only thing it ups them on is transport, more than made up for by twice the wounds. Seems pretty reasonable, and we haven't seen all their abilities or command traits or anything.
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20 minutes ago, Sleboda said:
Sooooo, do that! Nothing wrong with that!
Maybe one day the people behind those prints will employ thousands of people around the world, support a global infrastructure/supply chain, create hundreds (thousands?) of new models each year along with a huge range of tools and paints, publish a monthly hobby magazine that is translated into multiple languages, maintain a huge website, sponsor large events for gamers across the globe, publish the creative fiction of dozens of authors, encourage art by commissioning folks to produce high-quality visuals, and, all the while, consistently return value to their shareholders after they get so popular that they go public and become one of the most successful businesses on the UK (and other) markets.
Who knows, maybe someday those making one-off files in their personal home office will get big enough, and profitable enough, to do all that.
3d printing isn't a company, its a community, with dozens of companies serving it. There are companies who do design digital models using sculpting and modelling and just sell the prints, and the amount of 3d printers out there dwarfs the number of models GW could design or print at all. Of course, 3d printing for miniature gaming is newer, so it's "fanbase", which is designers not just consumers, is considerably smaller than the number of people buying GW products. On top of that, a lot of them aren't into miniature printing, and I really just recommended it as an alternative, although I did sound a bit salty, sorry. The main point is it's nice cuz it's cheaper, and a community rather than a company with a near monopoly. Plus, I mean, look at GW. When it started, did anyone guess it would be one of the most successful companies in the UK, with a massive fanbase and a huge community of creators? GW is great and all but please don't insult the closet designers, all designers start out like that.
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16 minutes ago, Sleboda said:
I don't agree that it's "corporate greed." It's capitalism. Set a price, see if people buy. It's not food, clothing, medicine, shelter, etc. It's a toy.
So, not greed, just business.
That said, I completely agree that these army price comparisons are missing the point of the concerns over the price of the one model. I have zero complaints about the cost of a Sons army. None.
My eyebrow is raised, and wallet closed, over the cost of the single model vs. what I perceive its value to be (see - my comparison to Archaon previously).
You are correct that many folks would want one big guy to add to their existing army. When I think of what I could get instead for that army, and the cost of this one (gorgeous!) kit, the scales tilt toward getting the stuff that's not the gargant.
Again, though, good on GW if they can get what they are asking. It's their right to set the the price on this toy. It's up to players to decide if that price is acceptable.
Side note based on some other comments about buying other stuff -
In sales meetings when I was there, it was impressed upon us that GW's competition is not other miniature companies. It is other hobbies. When confronted with the "your stuff is expensive" argument, our boss would tell us to respond with "Compared to what? Golf? Boating? Video gaming? Fishing? This hobby is not expensive at all compared to those."
The boss also saw McDonald's as the competition, but specifically for pocket money. A fiver could get a kid a value meal or a blister pack. Granted, that was years ago and blister packs don't really exists at that price point anymore, but I thought I'd share the insight into the mindset for the purposes of this discussion.
The problem is I can buy an Ender 3 3d printer, look up some casual mini printing settings, download a nice looking model off the internet for 30 dollars to even free, for the same price as a mega gargant. And yes, you can find free high quality models, as most patreon supported 3d modelling companies release some of their designs for free, and then leave others for their patreons. I have found a bear print which is arguably just as high quality as my other GW minis. So even by the logic of other hobbies, its still getting more expensive than most hobbies. Yes, it's still cheaper than other hobbies, but it's approaching the point where it won't be soon. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if over time the price fell through various start collecting boxes and battleforces, so I don't feel too strongly about it.
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1 minute ago, EccentricCircle said:
Canonically all of the mortal realms have deserts. Aqshy, Ghur, Shyish, and I believe Hysh have very prominent desert themed regions, but they deliberately made all of the realms large enough to contain all possible terrains somewhere.
Even Ghyran, which we mostly think of as being really forested and full of life can have regions where that life takes a very different form to the classic (or cliche) sylvan woods. Imagine a desert land full of cactus sylvaneth, jealously destorying anyone who ventures too close to the oases where their soul pods grow, while strange vines and low lying plants prey on the water of those who try to cross the *very* alive sands!
Well then, this city is definitely in Ghur, with it's Great Bears tamed by the duardin and the colossi statues that stand guard over ruins long forgotten. As well as perhaps gecko riding Fyreslayer cavalry. (That's a long way off however, since that require real conversion work.)
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3 minutes ago, Baron Klatz said:
Nice! And a gargant too you say? Is your free city going to be based in the realm of life or narratively proxies somewhere else like Ghur with it's famed Gargant tribes and monstrous bear-like creatures?
Technically everything is desert like, so it comes from the large deserts of Shyish, which seems strange that it isn't really death related but I mostly just wanted desert. Technically not a gargant, it's a colossal animated stone statue recovered from the Age of Myth. Do you think Ghur has a desert, it would be much more fitting than Shyish really. The city is probably a stand in for the one with KO since I kinda have only duardin, but all the duardin.
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On 10/5/2020 at 9:23 AM, Baron Klatz said:
Are they going to be Demigryph proxies for your Dispossessed/Cities of Sigmar?
They are. Just look on the Cities of Sigmar unit list. If a human, city aelf(asur/druchii/wanderer), Dispossessed duardin isn't on there then it's a legacy unit.
The AoS app is a great source to use for that. It clearly separates the groups.
Yes, I think they are going to function as demigryphs. Technically I can take 5 different and unique ones, but I think I am going to just use 2 of the base dudes and have a unit of 6. I believe I will go with the weapon option which gives them the -2 rend and extra damage on the charge because even though they are armed with axes not lances, they are on top of armored bears. Should match up well with the giant that I am designing.
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Mk then, my next project is a proxy for a Mega Gargant. And so, I introduce to you, the Red Colossus.
In the Age of Myth, when gods walked the world and legendary artifacts were forged, in the Bone Sea of Ghur, a great city was founded. This cities original name is lost to time like many artifacts belonging to the ruined city. It was built into a canyon in the middle of a desert, a plateau rising sharply to either side, and had the Grand Stoneway, a massive unbroken perfectly flat bridge of sorts, travelling a hundred feet above the land on either side. As time went on, whether through magic or some other premonition, the leader of the city, known only as the Good Tyrant, his name now lost to the shifting sands of the red desert, learned of the Age of Chaos. With this knowledge in hand, he set about gathering authority about himself, as he was a competent ruler, ruthless yet fair. Each race living among the ruins claim he is of their kin, but none can discern who he really was. When he reached the climax of his power, controlling all property and people of his city, he made his move. He fortified past the already veritably unseizable walls, making defenses along the canyons edges, establishing choke point at either end of the city, and generally making his city impregnable. He partnered with duardin stone masons, human sorcerers, and great aelven architects, forming the greatest fortress the realms had ever seen, known as the Red Fortress of the North, for the red plateau that it was carved out of. They spread the word of the apocalypse, and those who believed them were allowed free entry. And so it grew into an economic gem of frantic labor and draconian policies as the Good Tyrant consolidated resources, establishing equality for all in pursuit of true defense, and in this pursuit the city produced wonders and artifacts of unimaginable value, great structures unreplicable today with masterful architecture. And yet it was all for naught, for a group of aelves known as the Council of 3, each having a seat on his council of advisors, sought power for themselves. When the Age of Chaos came, they assassinated the Good Tyrant, and though the city was impregnable, the internal fighting wrought in the sudden power vacuum squandered resources, and though they were great plotters, their performance on the battlefield was terrible, and so the city fell within months instead of centuries, and the population was massacred by the forces of chaos. No aelf is allowed within the area reclaimed by the duardin descendants, lest they be killed for their treachery, and the grudge is written on a great stone tablet, with leters a foot high on each side, set atop the crown of the sunken statue of Grungni that once crowned the city.One of the many defenses of the great city was golems towering hundreds of feet in the air, carved from the hardest rock of the surrounding stone, reinforced with duardin runes, animated by ingenious magicks applied by great human sorcerers, and designed and carved by the finest aelven architects. They sat motionless, and would only respond to the Good Tyrant's call, so when he was struck down, and the forces of Chaos reigned, the sat motionless while the city they were built to protect was burned. Each was a masterpiece, and the greatest of which was said to soar into the air, over a thousand feet tall, and with each footfall able to crush a regiment of spears. It was named Grungni's Fury, for it was fashioned in the likeliness of the duardin god, and it is said that the god himself forged the runes carved into it's skin. With the passage of time, they wore away, ground down by nature, and even the ones that survived the harsh desert winds had their animating magic dissipate. The Red Colossus is the last of it's kind, scarred and pitted by the centuries of sitting motionless around the walls, and was only reanimated by the duardin who occupy the ruins of the Fortress. With a refurbished hammer and rejuvenated runes, once again the Protector of the Northern Fortress walks amongst his people.
Basically this is my stand in for my Mega Gargant, so I have to find out base size and height before I print him, but as of right now I just have to make his hammer cooler and make the handle more dwarfy, and then he is done. I took a lot of inspiration from Greek culture, and I will continue that theme with any ruins I make for bases or terrain. -
I think personally we should go and get more infantry rather than skyships, as the only rout to go would be an armored transport or something even more unique.
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For my dawi kin out there who wish dwarves rode BEARS, there is now free and high quality bear models to 3d print, perfect for a dispossessed army that needs a few BEARS!
Thingiverse dwarf on bear
I know I will print out some of these guys for my army.
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I am just saying for those with 3d printers out there, there are some really nice free models out on thingiverse and such, and with the new price hike I might start taking a look at them. You don't need a resin printer, in fact for a mega gargant sized one you would probably be better off with a plastic printer, which costs only 25 dollars more than these SoB. On top of that there is nice terrain, and you can (if your good at modelling and sculpting) simply design your own custom models.
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Did some modifications on the statue and some blender displacement maps for some nice dunes, I am now preparing to 3d print this thing, after I do some measurements for slots in it. Using these, I can put clear plastic rods in them and use it as a base for my ironclad. Gonna do some testing and then I will post the file up on thingiverse for anyone who has a 3d printer.
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1 hour ago, Kramer said:
Okay. Mad max on Netflix. Great new esher models. Great necromunda models in general. Seems like a great match.
What would be a cool faction to convert to that theme?idk, bikes for eels, big rig for turtle.
KO, three seizes of ships. Balloon bois as the pole vaulting warriorsDok, rigs for the altars.
Skaven, Max doomwheels, warpfire throwers with electric guitars,beastclaw raiders. Mournfang bikes, monsters as the bigger cars.
That's certainly quite a tall task, anyone who can do this is an absolute legend.
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I think I might print some square bases that can accept round bases inside of them, as the round base on the inside should be non intrusive and I prefer round bases for display purposes.
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Any tips or tricks to sculpting you might have? I am really trying to improve in this regard but I'm a) not skilled in artistic endeavors and I'm b) entirely self taught, so its hard for me to improve in this regard, and you seem to be very good. Also very nice model, that head is already 10x better, and it won't be too much of a challenge to make better legs.
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Ima one up flemmingmma and say about maybe, 2 models, at least.
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On 9/25/2020 at 9:52 PM, Ggom said:
I would argue that the word evil has no place here. Evil is a judgment given in the context of another set of values, and has no meaning in the philosophies of these other value paradigms. From a khornate worldview, there is righteousness and strength on one end, and weakness and corruption on the other. Having a third axis of “evil” is absurd - for what is evil other than weakness and corruption?
In a fantasy world, where our practical 21st century morality is irrelevant, why should we view the myriad other value systems from behind the lens of good and evil (whatever that might mean to the reader?) Free your mind, and embrace the fluidity of meanings and values that is... ... Chaos. Nothing else makes sense. 🤣
At the same time to write a good story, one of the most important things is too connect to the reader and provide a frame of reference of some kind in order to have a more engaging story. It's why thinking about alien life forms or opposing thought processes are difficult, and writing in the style of an alien view can be very difficult. Weakness and corruption could be viewed in and of themselves in a different way, and if we simply abandon 21st century morals we get a story which is of no interest to us. Obviously we can connect to corruption, but what if it isn't corruption? There could be a myriad of different reasons which all contribute or are viewed in the opposite direction. Freedom vs security, many things could contribute besides the relatively narrow 2 ideals.
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7 minutes ago, alghero81 said:
That’s when he decided I should not play Gloomspite...
God I feel bad for that cat, why would it do that? It hurts my hand to hold the sprues, let alone sit on one.
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Sons of Behemat Discussion 👣
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I would say if you want any response back you might want to start off by eliminating exclamation marks and capitalized letters, it makes you sound like a whining child. I agree with the points, but would definitely want to not send that in order to get a response. As novakai said, make it more professional in order to get a response from a GW employee rather than a glance and a trash from their relatively competent customer support.