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1 hour ago, Gwendar said:

Huh... that's an interesting way to do things. I didn't bother looking and preferred to jump to conclusions so early in the morning 😅

It's all the same unit of Horrors.. so the modifier is going to be 11.

Actually the modifier would be 9. Being a 20 model unit at that point, it would get a +2 bonus.

1 hour ago, Raz0Cyph said:

Nerf on enlightened on disk is rough.. not a part of wytchfire Coven and tzaangor coven in addition..

Disk riders can be taken in both. Per page 240 of the brb, subtext on a units name is ignored in battalions unless specified.

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1 minute ago, Mr_Caterin said:

One question: if I take a std unit with a tzeencht mark to put it into, it is an army of dot that unit counts as if it were a dot or ally std in order to benefit from the faction skills of tzeencht disciples

DoT is just the name of the book. The allegiance runs off the Tzeentch keyword. Anything with the Tzeentch keyword can be taken and not count as an ally.

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3 minutes ago, MitGas said:

I'm stupid and hoped to deduct by now what exactly a drop is but could someone help me out? 

A drop is a deployment. So when people talk about number of drops, its how many deployments have to be made. Battalions can cut down the number of drops that need to be made, since you can deploy any and every unit in a battalion in any combination at one time. This is important because whoever finishes deploying first gets to pick the turn order, either to set up an alpha strike, or to choose which player will get the first double turn if it happens.

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1 minute ago, Banshee1978 said:

If you have the Aether Wars start set, what would be the next step to build an army around that force?  When I start a new army i prefer to have as many different units and models as possible (and still make a reasonable list) and i hate to paint too many models from one kind.:)

Assuming its for 2,000 points.  You will need 3 battleline units. since the box comes with none. You will want a Tzaangor shaman to buff the disk riders. And you will want Chaos Spawn for the Magister.

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On my end I am looking at this:

Allegiance: Tzeentch
Gaunt Summoner (240)
Ogroid Thaumaturge (160)
Tzaangor Shaman (150)
The Changeling (120)
Magister (100)
20 x Tzaangors (360)
10 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (180)
10 x Kairic Acolytes (100)
10 x Kairic Acolytes (100)
6 x Tzaangor Skyfires (400)
Balewind Vortex (40)

Total: 1970 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 123

Plan would be to run it as Guild of Summoners and go for a turn 2 Lord of Change. Only thing I am not sure on is who to make the general.

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6 hours ago, Cambot1231 said:

A little food for thought... Flamers get buffed by an Exalted flamer nearby.... The burning chariot of Tzeentch has the EXALTED FLAMERS Key word.  Would it be better to just upgrade the exalted to the burning chariot for buffing your units of flamers? The extra movement , fly over abilities, and ray bites might be worth it 

I personally don't think the Chariot gains enough for the the extra 50 points. Sure, it gets some extra upgrades as you mentioned, plus 2 extra wounds. But it gains an immensely larger footprint, becoming much harder to place and almost impossible to hide. I think it needed a bit more durability to offset those negatives for the extra 50 points.

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Another unit to compare them to is skyfires. 80 points more for double the wounds. They do less damage at shooting, but have the potential for mortals and a 40" threat range! They are also fantastic melee combatants provided they get first strike.

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2 minutes ago, TheadTheOgorSlayer said:

So flamers seem a bit too strong don’t they? I know we don’t have the new tome yet but the potential damage seems a bit high for shooting. I think you can get a 2 up 2 up 1rend d3 damage on one or two units at a time

the amount of dead bonereapers intrigues me tho, I like ignoring their rerolls  

but I feel like I can’t bring them to casual games, not that I ran much daemons beforehand 

 

I mean, its also only 3 models in a unit with a total of 6 wounds at a 5+ save. They are the very definition of a glass cannon. They can put out hurt, but cant take any back at all.

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I designed a for fun MSU list using the Tzeentch Daemons, BoC, and StD start collecting boxes + a box of Acolytes and a box of Tzaangors. Mortals, Arcanites, Daemons, and Beast, all in one big happy family.

Allegiance: Tzeentch

Chaos Lord on Karkadrak (250)
- Mark of Chaos: Tzeentch
Herald of Tzeentch (110)
Great-Bray Shaman (100)
10 x Kairic Acolytes (100)
10 x Kairic Acolytes (100)
10 x Chaos Warriors (200)
- Mark of Chaos: Tzeentch
5 x Chaos Knights (180)
- Mark of Chaos: Tzeentch
1 x Exalted Flamers of Tzeentch (100)
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)
10 x Ungors (60)
10 x Bestigors (120)
10 x Tzaangors of Beasts of Chaos (180)
Ghorgon (160)
Phantasmagoria of Fate (200)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 138

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And I actually just found the rule on page 240 of the brb. 2nd paragraph under Battalion Organization states to ignore sub headers unless they are specified.

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The chainguard is yet another battalion in the same vein, stating Guardian of Soul, unbolded. And I know there are others.

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23 minutes ago, kenshin620 said:

If the word is Bolded, it's the Keyword. If it's unbolded, it's the exact unit entry.

As an example, Spoilpox Scrivener affects only the Plaguebearers, not Plaguebearer (keyword).

 

On a side note how the heck does the Fatemaster still exist. It amazes me that 2 of the 4 God Mounted Chaos Lords still exist in 2020.

Again though, subtext on a units name is not the units name itself. Even though unbolded,  both Enlightened units are eligible due to past precedent on this matter.

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56 minutes ago, BillyOcean said:

Not as far as I'm concerned. I know some people like them to stand behind chaff walls to provide a little punch-back when the line gets hit. But losing the mobility to apply damage where and when its needed makes them lackluster in my opinion. Too bad we need them in Witchfyre because  I had been running that battalion in the old book with disc Enlightened and really enjoying it. The extra tax of foot Enlightened makes it unappealing now. Theres no point submitting a FAQ about it right? You all think the intention is pretty clear that it has to be foot Enlightened?

It says Tzaangor Enlightened. Tzaangor Enlightened (on disks of Tzeentch) are still Tzaangor Enlightened. Just as both Prosecutors counted in the older Stromcast battalion that only required Prosecutors, and the current Vanguard Justicar Conclave accepts either version of Vanguard Raptor. The subtext on a units name is just that, subtext.

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I imagine both versions of the GS will get hefty price hikes in the 2020 GHB, just like the Archregent before them.

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11 minutes ago, Hebroseph said:

Not everywhere uses realm spells. 

The majority of places do tough, since they are as much a part of the core game and endless spells, realm artifacts, and the double turn mechanic.

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Ya. before you might roll a 1 and just lost your pinks. You blues and brims would be fine.

Now a 1 just wipes them all.

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2 minutes ago, Inquisitorsz said:

Oh and here's another stupid thing I just realized. 
I think the pink horror units can just keep growing. 
a 1 on the battleshock test restores D6 models, and the fold reality spell does the same thing on a 2+....

So say you've lost all your pink horrors and you now have 20 blue horrors, you can then use a 1 on the destiny dice for battleshock and cast a spell to get essentially 2D6 pink horrors back into the unit. lets say you get 7 back... the unit is now 7 pinks and 20 blues. Those 7 pinks will then split into 14 blues again. so you could end up with 34 blues now. 

So unless you get surrounded and can't physically place more models, the unit could get infinitely big. Models permitting of course. 
It has to be "slain models" so you can't go back over the initial 10 pink horrors, but seems like you can keep bringing pinks back after they split into blues.

not much of a problem in practice, but makes them that much harder to eliminate (as long as you don't roll a 1 for fold reality I guess)
to me it's just dumb rules writing. 

 

 

They could do this before though. You could get an infinite number of blues and brims of a single pink unit via continuous healing with those same two abilities. The only difference now is that its all condensed into one unit, rather than multiple units.

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42 minutes ago, Sinfullyvannila said:

You aren’t going to be taking advantage of all of your Gaunt’s casts. That’s probably not a big deal though since only 1 cast is good for the price you’re paying for them.

 

Between lore spells and realm spells, they will have plenty to cast with their 12 spells.

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Just now, LordPrometheus said:

So nobody has really said much about the Tzeentch Endless Spells. They seem pretty decent to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

We have better options through the StD and BoC endless spells sadly.

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17 minutes ago, GunslingerOy said:

Question: how do people rate the ogroid? One of my Fav AOS models. I haven't seen anyone draft a list with it. Also, any other ways to turn enemy models into Chaos spawn besides the one mortal wizards spell and the endless spell? Wondering if I missed any as that seems like a fun gimmick to play up

Mutalith Vortex Beast in the StD battletome can be given the Tzeentch keyword and does so on a roll of a 6.

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1 minute ago, mmimzie said:

Well technically you can Auto kill the blues and brings as you put them down to make it cheaper.

All pinks must be killed first. So you will never remove blues/brims until all pinks are gone. So there is no way around it, unless you go for the alternative chance at a mortal wound rule.

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So Flamers are buffed by the Exalted Flamer keyword, which the Burning Chariot also has. Though I think +5 move, +2 wounds, super lackluster melee, and a MUCH larger and harder to place/hide profile is nowhere near worth the extra 50 points.

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Oh, and looks like the warscrolls are finally up.

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6 minutes ago, Satyrical Sophist said:

What's the condition for +1 saves? Chaos Warriors with 3+ RR and mortal wound protection seems good.

Kill a hero or monster with a wounds characteristic of 9 or more. Does not need to be all at once, just the finishing blow. Most of the other benefit them pretty well too. +1 attacks, +1 to hit in melee, counting a double models for objectives.

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But then you have to figure in the support cost of the other units you a bringing with them. And you can do just as much shenanigans with supported Warriors (3+ save warriors with the agenda seems tasty). Fold reality is an amazing trick when it works, but I have long ago learned not to rely on it (too many dispel tricks, risk of rolling ones, and things that will auto wipe your whole 50 wounds).