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1--hallowheart
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-then many tiers under is tempest eye
- then living city only for fun
-the rest is garbagge as every dwarf unit(even hammerers that are the best dwarf unit are a joke vs any other elite unit)
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On 11/7/2019 at 2:51 PM, LordPrometheus said:
This applies to most of the SCE tome, actually, not just the dragons. We bring half (or less!) the bodies of every other army, and have none of the hard hitters or staying power to make up for it.I agree with you that stardrake need as a 100 points reduction if we compare it to units as big squig,verminlords,undead dragon,keeper etc
But your second statement is false.
Yes all in sc tome is underpower vs new tomes BUT if we ignore the new sacrosant chamber,per example sequitors are 100% better in every stats and cheaper than dearf ironbreakers that are new.
Also stormcast ballista is better than every warmachine of citys o sigmar etc etc
So yes stardrake need a buff,old stormcast need a buff, but sacrosant chamber is 100% balanced vs the new tomes(if we ignore slanesh and skavens that are broken beyond overpower)
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Dreadlord on black dragon:
1-dragonlord of high elf:yes
Sorceres on black dragon:
1-arch mague on black dragon
Hammerers:
Dwarf warriors with two hand axe:yes
Those i dont see problem but it is posible a dragonlord as a phoenyx?
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On 11/23/2019 at 2:39 PM, Edoval said:
Is there an answer to the title of this subject now ?
I mean, games have been played, maybe some people bring Ossiarch-Bonereapers to tournaments.
Are they so strong ? What about their power in Petrifex ? And in other legions or without one ?I bought the army before reading the battletome because i liked the models, but i wonder if this a fun army to play against for my friends...
Sorry not a native speaker.
Yes they are overpower at the lvl of slanesh and skavens and also arent fun to figth againts due to how broken is a save of 3 reroling 1 with special save of 5 .
Last tournament and first with bonereapers and they have won it allready(to be frank have been a tie betwen slanesh bonereaper and korne) also with a 65% win rate.
People saying arent broken are bonereapers players,data is allready showing us how broken they are
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The +1 save must go away.
Also nagash getting every buff of the book must go away also.
The stacking feel no pain(or special save) must go away also.
Then and only then bonereapers gonna start to be close to balanced
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14 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:
Forge World games no longer mean they're only resin. Blood Bowl, Necromunda, etc are handled by them and have mostly plastic kits. Lord of the Rings is also handled by them and the new Battle of Pelennor Fields is in plastic. Horus Heresy received plastic MK3/4 marines, etc.
My guess is that it's going to take a Lord of the Rings route - mostly old kits, but with a new plastic starter box. Certain models will come in and out of production as per demand rather than be permanently available (but for a longer period than LCTB) and we'll see brand new units/characters in plastic and resin.
If this is true and we gonna can play with our plastic dispossesed per example more some new hero or unit of plastic of forgeworld(that be sold by gw because people out of england have to pay one kindney for the traveling fees out of england) then i gonna be the most dude in the world.
A box of beard wards with dwarfs vs high elf?? Omg if this would be true.....
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22 minutes ago, Dead Scribe said:
Yes but why do we need two fantasy systems? Why do we want to divide the community up like this? Why do we have to pull in people that hate AOS and just let them play kings of war or whatever is being played instead? My AOS group has people that are going to be leaving AOS for this and it sucks.
Why? People who hate aos and love fantasy rigth now are playing at 9th age(warhammer fantasy) and dont play to aos.
If people are playing to aos now gonna play to both new fantasy and aos i guess.
So aos wont loose players,people as me that hate aos and havent played for one year gonna jump to fantasy for sure,but i am not playing to aos so it isnt a lost. And maybe those new players that gonna come from 9th or other fantasy game when they play to fantasy maybe they gonna jump also to aos.
So i think is a win for gw because they gonna get all the playerbase of 9th age and a win for aos because they gonna get more players(for sure many of those new players gonna play aos and fantasy at the same time) and gw gonna have more money so more releases for aos.
But in twitch they said gonnna be a forgeworld release,so if it is 100% forgeworld in my opinion gonna be a disaster.
Only gonna bring new players if it is regular gw and plastic minis
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5 minutes ago, michu said:
Shyish means death. Hysh means light. An alliance of Light Aelves and Sky-Titans?
Lol haha you are rigth! Then ligth giants along light elfs?
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I love it,i am a fan of fantasy and i HATE aos models(steampunk dwarfs,vapire elfs,sea monsters fliying).
I prefer traditional dragons,dwarfs etc.
I have stormcast,disposessed and high elfs. And i havent played to aos in one year due to how ugly are the aos models,how umbalanced is the game and how gw have deleted the dwarfs and high elfs of the game(50% models deleted and then a tome with dwarfs being nerfed from how they were)
If we gonna can play with fantasy models and some heroes and specials units from forgeworld gonna be great,if it is gonna be 100% only forgeworld models im out. I dont like work with resin and i can have some hero but i never gonna have more than 3-4 resin models in my army
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This last semtence sems undeads giants? That huge and giant seems giants for sure and that last hysh hysh sems death also
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Slanesh broken and umbalanced......nothing new since those months
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If those rumours are true i dont get how is posible:
Goblins:100% new and got looncurse allready
Skavens:"new" 2.0 army that allready got carrion box
Stormcast: got two stater edition boxes,the dual boxe with nurgle also,and two battleforces allready
Ghosts: got allready many starter edition boxes(diferent sizes of the starter box) and also got the new collection of "de agostini" doing them very cheap to buy
So all those options sems very stupid when we have others options as fyreslayers with 3 years that havent got nothing,no skirmish box,no battleforce,no dual box,nothing out of start collecting in all those 3 years since the launch.
I dont mind because i dont want more boxes to my pile of shame but those options dont makes sense
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We know that playtesting is done because some people doing those test have told us.
But seeing armys as slanesh or skaven we can guess that gw dont give a ****** about the testers opinions or the balance
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22 minutes ago, rosa said:
Its not just the reapers Info...
Started with FEC, then HoS, now Reapers
I just cant stand it. Lovely Models and Overall Rules, but personaly, i cant make this creep every other tome.
Yes but you forget the citys of sigmar that are at tome 1.0 level.
But agree with you,skavens,fec,slanesh and now those reapers are doing aos2.0 the most umbalanced game that gw have done never
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I am not one of those big tournaments players but i an a dispossesed player and high elf that gonna play my deleted(and bougth less than one year models) models as proxy and i dont care if tye rival dont like because it is gw fault not mine.
But pretty sure that big tournaments wont let me do it,because those tournaments usually are 100% what you play is what you see.
I usually run my dragonlord as black dragon.
Dwarfs warriors as hammerers(2 hand axes are close to 2 hand hammers)
Arch mague as human mage
Those are proxys that people dont mind and aceptable.
Now i would like play my 30 ironbreakers as hammerers because ironbreackers are 100% useless now,but i wont do it because they are a playable unit where dragon or warriors arent.
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23 minutes ago, SwampHeart said:
Because you aren't supposed to play mono Dispossessed, or mono Wanderers, or mono anything. The book is called Cities of Sigmar and is about playing with armies of the Cities which are blended forces that represent the various factions in that city. The sooner people grasp this the better.
Why? In warhammer 40k rigth now dark eldars are better than ynnari.
So why is the soap tome supossed to be played as soap and we cant have the option as eldars of play our army as we want?
This isnt a soap tome as death,where a skeleton or a ghost are almost the same,for many of us is 100% unthinkeable buy or play with models as humans or dark elfs.
If gw would have done a proper work we could field and be competitive with a cos army of only humans,or only dwarfs,or only high elfs etc....
The tome is a very poor work,with many marks of a rush work only to get done with the task of bring one book for every faction this edition.
Best example? We have a book with humans,high elfs,dwarfs,dark elfs,ironweld and:
Best shooting units:stormcast units
Best melle units: stormcast units
Best behemots units:stormcast
Best mague units:close betwen sorceress,human mage or stormcast mage
Best cavalry unit:stormcast cats
So how is posible that the citys of sigmar tome be a good tome with a good balance when ever unit from the tome is worse than the suposed to be allied units from the tome?
Other details:
Scenary:none
Endless spells:none
Table of stands or runic icons relics(as every 2.0 tome got):none
Table of prayers for our runelord: only one extra prayer in one specific alegiance
Table of mounts traits as every other 2.0 tome: only in one alegiance and only for black dragon or hydra
So we have many details,as the horrible balance of the units of the tome or all this to show us as this soap tome have been a poor work
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Sems our deleted signature skill havent lost
But we get it deleted from our army and now is in new death army.......
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I havent read other warscrols because my army are dwars and only dwarfs.
But they did a horrible work balancing the dwarfs units.
Almost every unit have been nerfed from dispossesed to the new scroll and are almost umplayables of how bad they are.
First every unit have lost the ignore spells with 5+ that sure we can get with one alegiance,but every other unit can get it also and we havent got nothing back for this.
Our shields have gone from reroll all saves to only +1 save that is a nerf.
Units of dwarfs NERFED:
Lomgbeards:10 points expensiver,lost damage and tankyness with the lost of 2 hand and shields,lost save even if equip shield(2 save old shield,3 save new)nerfed rangue of aura. So a unit that was bad before is worse now and expensiver. 110 points for 10 attacks of 4hit 3 wound 0 rend 1 damage????? Maybe 60-80 points but 110 is a joke
Ironbreackers:10 points cheapers BUT they have lost everything that made them special. They lost 1 save(from save 2 to 3 now),lost tye ignore spells,they lost tye ignore rend........so they have lost all this for a buff of 10 points.......not worth it even close. Ironbreackers are now a joke,even liberators that people says are bad are 100% better in all and for 30 points less
Irondrakes:a big buff of 30 points but have gone from double shooting for 10 models or more to you cant move,so with 16" rangue they are useless now. Old scroll for 180 points and double fire with 10 or more models was better than the new scroll for 150 points
Warriors:our screen unit have been deleted
Quarrelers\thunderers: our other shooting screen unit deleted too
Unforgued:our damage hero deleted
Runelord: didnt get a prayer book as EVERY other prayer have got in their 2.0 tome,also got a huge nerf to the rangue of the auras
Wardenking: a nerf to the save from 4 rerolling all(save of 1'5) to only a save of 3, also in almost every scenario the comand ability was nerfed, from +1 wound to every unit rangued or melle for your turn and untill you next turn to only a +1 attack to one unit for only melle and only for this melle turn and with very short rangue
And now the unit that got BUFFED:
Hammerers: same cost for same stats.the rangue of the aura was nerfed(as every aura of our tome)but got a buff in the form of mortal wounds with the 6
So it isnt a 2% of units that have been bad balanced.
Only in dwarfs every units is a joke and have been nerfed from dispossesed(who were at rankings around 33th position).
Only one unit from all the dwarfs havent been nerfed.
It is pretty sad that my old dispossesed army with old scrolls and old alegiance etc be better than the same units but with new scrolls and new cos alegiance etc.
Can dwarfs be playable? Sure but with many non dwarfs unts,the fact is a 100% dwarf army have been NERFED HARD from old dispossesed to new cos
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Any army of 1000 poins that have 520 points of that army tied to one model with 4" move gonna faill in every battleplan.
Im sorry but is the true. The enemy gonna kite your gotrek and he wont can get to any objetive with 4" move.
But if you want play him,i guess any army with very low cost so you can bodys to grab objetives would be the best
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Glad for other fantasy army getting revamped but i have some "grudges" with how my two army get the ugly stick of this revamp:
Goblins:got a soap tome with HUGE number of new kits,new units,heros and scenary with endless spells
Beast of chaos:another soap tome with zero new kits or units,new scenary and endless spells
Dark elfs(daugthers of khain faction):some new kits,new heros and units
Death:legion of nagash soap tome with every unit and many new heroes and units(nigthaunt)
Bonesplitters:soap tome with ironjawz,nothing new,neither endless spells or scenary BUT nothing have deleted
Flesh eaters:they got endless spells and scenary
Skavens:huge rangue of minis and they havent get deleted heroes in metal,got scenary and endless spells
Now ogors:new soap tome with nothing deleted,new hero and new scenary
Then we have the ****** that have been done with citys of sigmar:
NOTHING NEW,no new kits,units,scenary,endless spells.....nothing
80% of the high elf rangue deleted
40% of the dwarf rangue deleted(even more if we count the cannon and organ as dwarf)
So why every fantasy army have got this deal of nothing(or almost nothing) being deeted and getting new minis or scenary etc but dwarfs and high elfs have been the customers that have been ******?
Dwarf and high elfs players spend less money in our army than other?are our boxes cheaper?both answer are no,so if we pay the same money than every other player because only those two armys have been ******?
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On 10/14/2019 at 4:54 AM, soots said:
Cost for movement is effectively ignored. Dwarfs do not get a discount for mv4 vs elven mv6. Saw this with Skaven. IMO big oversight
I have been saying this many times and usually people ignore it. Glad that finnally one person have the same tougth.
I dont get how hammerers have same stats than others elites for same cost but have 50% less movement.
And the same for every other dwarf unit,same stats than other same cost units but with 50% less movement.in old dispossesed alegiance could be that we was slower due to have tye 5+ ignore spells or the reroll saves but all this have been deleted and we havent got anything in return.
It is pretty sad that the best melle unit o the tome be sequitors that (to me) arent cos units,or the best rangued unt be ballista that again isnt a cos unit
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7 hours ago, Dead Scribe said:
What do you tell the people quitting who don't want to keep up with the more powerful armies who don't want to have to keep buying models to keep up? The its balanced enough doesn't work for a lot of people, especially when they show up and have their semi casual army have to face off against one of our tournament armies (and my group only has a tournament army, so we can't "tone down").
This was the topic that sank my store's attempt at a narrative night and caused a lot of angry feelings.
Do we tell those people the game is balanced enough and they should just be ok with auto losing? At that point is it really a game? That kind of feels like playing monopoly where one player gets 1000 when they pass go and a free property and the other players play by normal rules.
I gonna speak as both coin head situations.
I have had games where i stomped the rival and was unfun,even i went to melle with shoting units so the rival could have somefun and also had games where i had zero chances of win before play only seeing both lists.
Both situations are unfun for both,the overpower and the underpower army.
I stoped play both to 40k and aos due to how bad is the balance that makes games unfun(in 40k i play tau and sometimes i let my rival play 3000 points vs my 2000 points so both can have fun)
For me the and the guys at my store the balance is so bad that many of us have quit of play(we was as 40 people at tournaments 2 years ago and now they have problems to get 8-10 people to play tournaments)
Some people that say that the balance dont matter i cant get it,where we have two players of the same skill,and one army is slanesh,fec,skaven level and we other player with any army as dispossesed(even the new cos only dwarf is useless and underpower) it is useless play the game. Because both players know what gonna happen.
Is as when a footbal math or f1 race is one sided,the math or race isnt fun. Wargame is the same,without balance is imposible have fun
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Seeing how umbalanced are slanesh,fec and skavens and gw havent done nothing to fix it and also in 40k the new spacemarines codex is the most overpower jump in all gw history.
Im not joking,for those that dont play to 40k,gw have released a codex of space marines with as double free rules than every other army etc etc it is as if in aos we have a dispossesed 1.0 army fighting new slanesh,that it is rigth now 40k being ever army at the dispossesed lvl and space marines at slanesh lvl.
So i have absolute zero hope in gw balancing the game,it is pretty clear that they dont give a ****** about the balance and only buff or nerf models to increase sales of that models(as they openly said about the wraithknigth in 7th edition)
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I hope people dont get mas or nothing as it is only my opinion.
I am a economist(5 year career) so i know that i am speaking.
The future of gw is pretty bad due to things outside of the hobby.
The monster is the brexxit.
Gw have done huge investment those last months\year to expand their factorys for the increase in production. So if they now they start to selling less product they gonna be in problems.
But with the brexxit they must get the prices a 18% up(taxes) to have the same income.
But with this increase they gonna sell less product and so the income gonna decrease and wont can sell the new extra product of the new factorys.
And the worse is that gw know it and they have been triying find fixes for this:
Get their production to china or polonia outside of the brexxit that failled
Also i read the tried get the factorys to spain but also failled.
Now lately with the marvel and bandai deals i have read some people speaking about gw triying selling the company to any big multinational company as bandai to try avoid the losses of the brexxit.
Only my idea after read articles and so
AOS tier list!
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
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Tier god: slanesh\bonerepeaers
Tier1: skavens,dok,fec.ironjawz,big wagg
Tier2: idoneth,khorne,fyreslayers,silvaneth,deaths armys,stormcast
Tier3: city of sigmar,kharadrons,tzenth,nurgle,goblins
Tier4: the rest