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5 minutes ago, Overread said:
Actually GW has been adding and removing kits for decades. Squatting in itself is reference to the dwarf 40K army called Squats which were totally removed. Meanwhile armies have had things added adn removed over the years; zoats used to be in Tyranids; meanwhile Imperial Guard used to have a load of alternative chapters back in the metal era which were all pretty much dropped save for the core and Cadians.
40k in all recent memory, doesn’t gut entire armies in favour of some “army soup”.
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That feel when GW still doesn’t understand what people want. Gutting almost, if not all classic Aelf factions and Dispossessed models, really goes to show the GW and the AoS are so out of touch with the fan base.
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On 7/24/2019 at 8:39 PM, Nighthaunt Noob said:
Idk, considering the most recent new models (not counting single heroes and terrain/endless spells) before this were for Slannesh, and we've got Warcry going on now, plus 40k got a bunch of Chaos and Chaos Knights, I think getting StD next would be a little bit overkill and demoralize non-Chaos fans of the game. It is better to mix stuff in-between IMO.
I disagree heavily with this. All 12 of us Slaves players have been waiting for a Battletome since they started releasing them. Do you know what's really demoralizing? Time and time again, GW has continued to shaft us without any form of decent rules and our faction plays like a joke. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have shown off the new Orruk and Cities Battletomes. I'm saying that Slaves really really needs something to be even playable at this stage.
You have to remember that so many armies got Version 1 Battletomes. Slaves and Ogre Kingdoms didn't. The only faction other I feel for is the Ogre Kingdoms, and hopefully they will receive some love soon too.
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4 minutes ago, Charleston said:
As someone who is really realistic on StD I have to say: You spelled Tzeentch in a weird way :'D
Haha............................ *cries inside*
3 minutes ago, Still-young said:Might not be StD. Could be Tzeentch 2.0.
I mean, it would be fine if it was, but my god, throw Slaves something here.
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Just now, GeneralZero said:
Only 4 month (technicaly 5 but december rarely shows new things) for the promised Chaos missing tome of 2019, which is presumably the StD one. That means that in only one trimester max, we will know.
I definitely hope we get a reveal between now and early September. I'm weary of an announcement afterward as they gear up for the holiday season.
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Still waiting for that Slaves to Darkness Battletome. I find it hilarious that with all this Warcry excitement, they decided to go a different route with the reveals. I'm happy for those Battletome reveals, don't get me wrong, but I mean.............. Slaves could've used a Battletome reveal now too.
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7 minutes ago, stato said:
How many prices rises did those models get in the last 5 years, thought this was the only one?
Have their been any products that have had multiple increases, paints are only ones i can think of?
FWIW, I thought $12 CAD was way too much for one model for a unit that you need 5 to complete. I see your point, however, when looking strictly at the financial situation, it makes zero sense for GW to tack on THAT much of an increase. What does it matter if it's been 5 years? Going off of inflation, something around 10% would be the number. Even with the economy in Britain, an increase of 67% is nuts.
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14 minutes ago, Furuzzolo said:
I don't get it.
If you see an overpriced cake do you open reddit to complain about the cake or do you just walk on and ignore the cake?
That's an odd thing to say. By that logic, no one is allowed to bring something up for discussion. Isn't discussion the whole purpose for a forum?
7 minutes ago, stato said:Metal models. Not something they make on a large volume at all and has always been labor intensive. They are obviously having to bump prices to cover costs, alternative would be to put up entire ranges to cover the loss on models 99% people wont buy.
A bump like this seems stupid. In this case, 60 dollars CAD was way too much to make one unit and now with the price increase, it's 100 dollars. Taking a quick glance over the "Online Exclusive", it's easy to notice a bump in a lot of prices that are larger than what the spreadsheet showed for in store items.
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On 7/2/2019 at 7:51 AM, Chikout said:
It is simple supply and demand. Gw is struggling to keep up with demand. They have two options, either increase supply or increase prices to reduce demand. The new factory is a long term project which still hasn’t been completed and may be behind schedule, so they have decided to increase prices. The only way to stop this trend is for all of us to stop buying minis.
Not relaying anything negative towards you, it's just that you put it succinctly, so I felt that your comment would be ideal to quote.
I have an idea, how about GW stops botching all of their long term outlooks for a quick buck. Raising prices like this is absolutely ridiculous. They have done nothing to these models for them to earn a price increase.... NOTHING! Blame China, blame this, blame that, last year it was FW and their insane price increase because of REASONS. Sylvaneth is just lost in the shuffle, not to mention all of these other battletomes that are supposed to be releasing this year.
It's rather hilarious that this is just accepted by the Warhammer community. GW has a new factory coming, that should mean better pricing. Oh wait, it's heavily delayed, better raise the price of older models to gouge loyal players. We get rekt because GW just can't do what they say they're going to do and instead they insert an excuse that fits the bill because REASONS.
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2 minutes ago, tripchimeras said:
The problem is that GW far too often makes wacky assumptions that players are going to follow some sort of ill defined self restraint in addition to whatever rule they write. Its just a terrible way to approach rule writing. That type of reasoning works in open and narrative play, has no place in matched play rules.
It's funny because you would think the GW would have the resources and knowledge over all of these iterations to know that players will try and play the edge of any rule. Ah well.
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I find it absolutely hilarious that something like this made it into the GHB. It's amazing to me that we have to wait for FAQ on a rule that shouldn't have been even entered into the book in the first place. Clearly, no one on the dev team plays Skaven.
I understand that it's impossible to not miss something, but, in this case, they only needed to have played 1 game to have the revelation that the rule is terrible.
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1 minute ago, CJPT said:
According to the letter of the law, no - they're not listed in the Pitched Battle profiles booklet. However, they're still in the app - hence my confusion.
Great..................... That makes me super excited to upgrade 😕
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21 hours ago, CJPT said:
This also applies to the Gaunt Summoner with Chaos Familiars, who is not listed in the GHB 19 booklet but is still present under Matched Play in the app.
Wait, we can't use familiars anymore?
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1 minute ago, JPjr said:
Seriously though can you imagine the sheer OUTRAGE if GW announced...
'oh here's a really cool new Fyreslayer to Ironjawz hero, amazing sculpt, nice little story behind him and some cool rules, I know you've been desperate for new models so enjoy! oh yes one small thing it's literally only available to buy for just one day a year in each physical shop, and that day is different for every shop and might not be for 11 months for you. oh yes and it'll be pretty limited too so there's every chance your store might only get a couple. HAVE FUN!'
I like to think of myself as pretty level headed and I was mildly peeved when my local shop (Bruxelles) didn't have any ltd models available on their store birthday back in May. We would be able to solve the world's energy crisis with the amount of blind rage that would be unleashed worldwide at this.
Haha, this is unfortunately very true... It's definitely disappointing, but yeah, you're right.
They could always just make a unique model that has the exact same rules as an already existing unit. It would be cool just to see some form of model variety.
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8 minutes ago, JPjr said:
Personally I'd say it's because these models are never really wholly about appearing on tabletops, sure they have rules and can be worth having (Guardian of Souls I'm looking at you) but really they're just interesting alt models to collect & paint. With that in mind, to me, it makes perfect sense for them to normally be of the most generic factions and normally fairly low-level characters and/or remarkably un-super powered in regards to rules (looking at you, Gorkarr, a bladegheist whose only special ability is making you recoil in abject terror when you remember how much you paid for him).
Make them too powerful and the hilariously petulant fanbase would (actually for once rightfully) complain that it's not fair such an auto-include model is only available to select people I'm even more sure that if they made these one off very hard to get hold of models for factions that are generally/desperately in need of new models then people would lose their ****** even more that...
"I haven't had any new models for years and now the only one they've made is limited edition and not generally available and this is a slap in the face, oh woe is me, games workshop hates me and they don't know how to run a company or make rules or do anything at all, ever. worst company in the world. booohooo hooo."
Very good points made, however, my point still stands. GW has the ability to make literally any model they want for any army and they choose to make a Stormcast model. I understand that they want to have something with the "most appeal" for the Store Celebration, but I mean, come on GW. There's so many cool things that they could do for so many other armies.
6 minutes ago, prochuvi said:Thats the history of 40k with marines and now aos with golden marines(stormcast)
They get the 75% of the time and resources of gw with 500% the models that others armys and every starter box or aniversary must have marines and stormcast.
Thats the reason that many people "hate" marines and stormcast,not due to the models per se,but due to the atention above others armys that they get
Myself have 1700 points of stormcast that i got at the release of aos and i havent played with them in 2 years because i "hate" them now.
Yeah, I hear ya. I also have around 1500 points, if not more of Stormcast, and while they're neat, I'm just love seeing models for other armies that shake up the visuals of those armies. This is especially true for armies that don't have a huge assortment of models (looking at you Ironjawz).
5 minutes ago, Dreadmund said:It would be great if next year's model was a mercenary hero, so that anyone could include it in their narrative games if they wanted to. Not sure what the lead time is on model designs though, it might have to be the year after next.
This would be really cool, in my opinion. I could see this doing really well, especially if GW really pushes the concept of the mercenaries.
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8 hours ago, novakai said:
I guess no one posted the store annivarsary model yet.
As interesting as the model looks, I was definitely hoping for another army to get a cool model. Does Stormcast really need yet another model? I also think the same with, yet another, Space Marine model. It's too bad they don't seem to care about other armies when it comes to special events these days.
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14 hours ago, alghero81 said:
Most disarming thing they mentioned is the reason why there is a digital version: they finished the GHB before Gloomspite was completed so the points for them and all other books afterwards are not included.
It's too bad that GW didn't just delay the book if needed. It's strange to me to buy a book that is supposed to be our tome for matched play and it's already almost 6 months out of date...............
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3 hours ago, novakai said:
I think those models are forever going to be released as part of their respective starter set just like you can't buy Carnisaur outside of the Seraphon starter box
You're probably right, however, at least they are available.
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23 minutes ago, Nighthaunt Noob said:
No one is making any assumptions. GW has explicitly told us that the models in Looncurse will be made available individually. I can't recall but they probably said the same about Carrion Empire as well.
Until GW comes out and has a release date for them, it's all just talk. I'm want to see them actually release them. They still have lots to release, including models from the 1st edition box set, so, the wait and see approach doesn't seem to be doing GW any favors.
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6 minutes ago, Ghark said:
Well, not trying to be rude, but I don't think a hobby in any form should ever put you in the state of "upset and disappointment" you're describing. It's a hobby after all right?
Just enjoy the things you currently have in this hobby, the miniatures in the two last box set will be out eventually, trust me. And if the situation you're in is THAT intolerable to you, just convert your model to match the one you want to play. I repeat, it's a hobby
I respect this opinion. The issue stems from that fact that I want everyone to be able to enjoy the hobby, and anything that impedes on that ability, especially when it comes to getting access to models that you need for said hobby, infuriates me. I also don't like this "sit here and wait" approach, when it's been shown that GW hasn't done what I and members of the community thought they would have done. We shouldn't have to do a conversion of a model to try and reproduce a model that GW has sold in box sets in the past. GW should make that model available to everyone.
8 minutes ago, Austin said:GW is struggling hard with logistics and/or knowing what their customers want. I am not sure why, but to say they aren't ignores clear evidence. I don't even know if it is hurting them that much since they continue to make massive profits lately.
I do know that everyone who says the Looncurse fiasco isn't a big deal because of course GW will release the new models separately is totally ignoring that you STILL after three years cannot buy a Lord-Relictor from the initial starter set. If you want a mounted Knight of Shrouds- better buy that full box. Or more recently the Skaven box is a warning sign.
The interesting thing is that 40k boxes with unique models stay in stock much longer so the problems are not mirrored on that side.
Hopefully the paint becomes available again, but I sort of agree the attitude that "I will be overjoyed with whatever my GW overlords give me when they give it to me" is strange. You can love the product and think the company is doing much better and ALSO think they are not so hot in some areas.
I agree with you completely. It seems that the community is under the ASSUMPTION that GW will do something and release the new box models separately at some point. I don't like sitting here and watching players not be able to get the models they want because they were held hostage to a box set months ago, and have no sign of being released as a separate unit anytime soon.
Your last paragraph outlines exactly what I'm thinking right now. I just don't understand why members of the community accept this as the norm, and continue to defend GW's practices regarding this.
12 minutes ago, novakai said:I think the problem stems that GW used to be worse and that the community tends to always compare them to those days. So while GW doesn't operate in the best consumer-friendly way, people always say that it is better than the dark old days. I feel like we should always have a realistic expectation of any company's ability to do stuff for consumers but still put out criticism where criticism is due. it doesn't help to defend GW by saying "back in my day Army books took 6 years to release" it like "No Duh, if they didn't release thing in a reasonable interval they wouldn't have stayed in business and been sold to Hasbro"
Very good points. I think you are right that members of the community who have been around the GW block are happy that they aren't as "rough around the edges" as they once were, however, we are living in an age where any normal company would be able to get the metrics to back up their production and distribution systems to handle the demand.
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1 minute ago, Ghark said:
Wow, such negativity in here, I was not used to it!
Chill out man, those models will eventually be available to everyone (just like the 40k equivalent in the past)
The issue is that right now, we're just putting faith in the fact that GW WILL do something, instead of them showing us that they have. It's incredibly frustrating to sit here and watch people just accept things as they are. I'm upset and disappointed as it seems that people are willing to just accept GW and the way they operate, instead of trying to offer reasoning or discontent as to why they need to change their view on the playerbase.
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5 hours ago, alghero81 said:
Reality is that some miniatures will never be released alone
Terrible idea. All this does is create a divide in the community between those who have the model and those who don't. Then, you have a second hand market that will charge ridiculous prices for the model, which is unacceptable. GW needs to release these models separately so that everyone who wants one can have one.
5 hours ago, alghero81 said:You can't expect discounted boxes to be available forever
True, but what we CAN expect is that during "Pre-Order" week, they'll be available for said "Pre-Order" and not sell out in 3 days.
5 hours ago, alghero81 said:Returning on topic of Contrast paints, Tom and Vince from Warhammer Weekly mentioned a couple of weeks ago to set the right expectations as it will take the entire month to GW to ship and stock all paints to all distributors (they also mentioned a 3 layers distributors where only the top one would receive them next week). So even if you pre-ordered from a distributor, you are not guaranteed you are going to find them next week on your door step... Just patience I guess, what concerns me is that the Battle Ready tutorial they promised are not here yet, so I can wait to see what they recommend before launching myself in 34 new pots
This is delusional and all I see here is buying up the marketing B.S. that GW continues to feed us. Being sold out of 9 different colored pots in the first day is asinine. GW really needs to get a grasp on their market.
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4 hours ago, SleeperAgent said:
This is something have a problem with. People still cannot buy Guardian of Souls from Soul Wars. Same goes for Warlock Bombardier and Archregent. Im certain there's more but I don't have knowledge of all the armies. If GW wanted to do something after this Sylvaneth book problem they should've started listing these heroes for solo sale. Would've filled the gap of releases over the last month or so nicely.
Agreed. GW still hasn't shown that they are going to created boxes for these leader units well after the limited box sets have been sold out. Hopefully they announce something soon for these units.
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5 hours ago, GeneralZero said:
Again, a stock management extremly poorly done by GW at LAUNCH day. ATM, already 9 contrast colors are out of stock and the bundle of 34 colors is just gone is something like 2 hours. And we are only on PRE order day.
GW, you really should think about your comex efficiency. You're loosing sales, you're making your customers mad again and again. Such a marketing job ruined buy the distribution/stock management. For a company weighting more than a billion €/$, excuse my English, but you s*ck.
Agreed. This is standard GW, not estimating demand properly.
5 hours ago, Greyshadow said:Calm the farm GeneralZero. GW have a very modern distribution system it is just that they are going through a period of unprecedented demand. You will get your paints soon enough.
Say what you want, but @GeneralZero is correct here. This isn't "unprecedented demand", this is GW doing a very poor job at handling the demand that their marketing team has created. It's very sad that no matter what GW releases, they cause this to happen, and all it does is anger people who want to buy their product, which if we remember, is GW's whole point to existing.
4 hours ago, novakai said:At least it paints and not like those Box set like Carrion empire or Looncurse that if you miss out it be next to impossible to get it afterward where I think criticism on GW is due on that part.
I agree here, however, this is just another failure of GW's product distribution team. Each release shows this more, and it's a damn shame.
Squatting Watch: Alerts for Discontinued Models
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
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There's literally zero reason for AoS team to gut Seraphon, however, they've already shown themselves to not be the brightest when it comes to gutting factions and models that people still want.