[Sons of Behemat mightier makes rightier rule]

1 hour ago, NinthMusketeer said:

So I was about two paragraphs into the explanation when I noticed a critical problem that I did not pick up on before. It does not line up with GW commentary.

The problem lies in the "when determining control of an objective" part of Mightier Makes Rightier. This is a trigger for the choice to swap out the objective control rules; when models are being measured for controlling an objective the Sons player chooses which rules will apply. But in Places of Arcane Power objective control is only being determined based on the actions of a Leader model. If a mancrushers unit moves within 3" they are still not a Leader unit, so objective control is not determined. No models are measured, no opportunity to replace the rules with MMR.

Meanwhile at the end of turn the normal measure-models-within-6" is not ever triggered  because the scenario says those rules are not used. MMR can be swapped in when determining control of an objective but there is no determination occurring.

So there is no way to actually use Mightier Makes Rightier at all with just mancrushers in this scenario, meaning they very much cannot gain control of an objective. In fact MMR is useless here even with Mega-Gargants because all it does is change the number of models they count as while the Places of Arcane Power scenario does not care about the number of models.

So either Mightier Makes Rightier is not worded properly for what GW intends, the commentary from Warhammer Community is wrong, or I am wrong. I'd put any of those three as quite plausible, they have all happened multiple times before!

Ahahahahah,i very much appreciate your answer,and want to thank you for the time you spent for my trouble.

my soul can simply continue to burn in the GWs’ hell of misunderstanding till the next faq like always,but this is how the story goes from ancient times,damnation was the only absolute certainty!🤣🔥😭🔥🤣🔥😭🔥

[Sons of Behemat mightier makes rightier rule]

5 hours ago, NinthMusketeer said:

I could go into the technical explanation if you like, but it boils down to just treating a mancrusher unit like it was a leader for the purposes of objectives in that scenario.

if it is not too boring for you,i’d like to hear your explanation,cause i can’t understand how the SoBs’ rule that simply claims that your troop counts as more models than normal can become to means that you have to treat them as leader/battleline.
and how does it interact with the designers’ commentary that said that you can contest the objective?if you are simply a leader you can not contest the objective,you must first kill the opponents’ leader or it has to move away from it to be able to conquer it.

i’d really appreciate if you’d be so patiente to explain it to me,it would help me understand how the rule works and puts my soul at easy!😝🙏

however thank you for your previous answer!

[Sons of Behemat mightier makes rightier rule]

if it is not too boring for you,i’d like to hear your explanation,cause i can’t understand how the SoBs’ rule that simply claims that your troop counts as more models than normal can become to means that you have to treat them as leader/battleline.
and how does it interact with the designers’ commentary that said that you can contest the objective?if you are simply a leader you can not contest the objective,you must first kill the opponents’ leader or it has to move away from it to be able to conquer it.

i’d really appreciate if you’d be so patiente to explain it to me,it would help me understand how the rule works and puts my soul at easy!😝🙏

however thank you for your previous answer!

[Sons of Behemat mightier makes rightier rule]

Hi,I’ve a doubt about the designers’ commentary regarding the “Mightier makes Rightier” rule in the last SoBs’ faq.

they states that you can choose to contest an objective with a mancrusher unit even though it doesn’t have the leader battlefield role in the battleplan “Places of arcane power”.

how does it work exactly?

If i choose to use the SoBs’ rule than do  both i and my opponent completly ignore the battleplans’ rule?and if so,then how are the control of the objective determineted (and when?)?do we follow the normal rule for determining the control of the objective?

 

[Engine of the God and artefacts/command traits]

Thank you very much for your interest and yours suggestions,i’ll wait till faq are posted,meanwhile i’ll not take an EotG for general in a thunder lizard!😄

[Engine of the God and artefacts/command traits]

11 hours ago, Kadeton said:

"For rules purposes, the crew are treated in the same manner as a mount."

Artefacts and command traits are definitely rules, so for their purposes the Engine model (including the Stegadon, since there is no rule to differentiate it from the Engine) is the Hero, and the crew is the Mount. The Engine lacks any rules that would otherwise limit how artefacts and traits apply (compare to the Stegadon with its Skink Chief rule).

You would be unable to apply any benefits from artefacts or traits to the Meteoric Javelins, but all other attacks are fair game.

Thank you,i’d like to have another question to be more precise:

if it goes like that than the command’s ability of the thunder lizard’s constellation “prime warbeast “,that gives +1 att to the general’s mount,only influences the crew?

[Engine of the God and artefacts/command traits]

I’d like to  know yours interpretation about the engine of the god’s warscroll,and the question is:

who gets the bonus from artefacts/command traits?

this is a model with no pg that “rides” it,but it is a hero and also a  monster,and the only part of it which  specifies that counts like mount for rule porpouse  is the crew,so i was wondering  how does artefacts/command traits works on it ?

[Battleshock slain models and victory point]

Yesterday i had a match with a friend of mine that put a doubt in my mind:

model that flee from a battleshock test count for the pourpose of victory point ?

i had my idea that they counted,but the rule said “it count as slain “,and often “count as “ don’t literally means that they are slain,so i need a clarification,thanks!

[Charge and Line of sight]

Thank you very much,i come from old Warhammer fantasy,so i’ve this bad abitude of mine to mix new/old rules,and already red the AoS rulebook,but need someone to confirm,sorry and thanks for the trouble!😉

[Charge and Line of sight]

Hi everyone,

i’d like to have a explanation about the charge move,you don’t need to see an enemy unit to make a charge,you only need to be whitin 12”,is it correct?

so you can declare a charge to enemy that aren’t in line of sight,but you can’t shoot’em or cast spells against them...is it really like this?

 

[Saurus scar-veteran on carnosaur command ability and Alpha skink on stegadon]

!!!!!you mean wasn ‘t i hit by a lightning on the head but actually made the right assumption??!!

i’m sorry for the untrusty reply but this would mean i haven ‘t understood my seraphon battletome for the past 2 years (and seeing the little bit of time that i can spend to play it’s very possible) and it would change drastically the way i see my army,so could you please reconfirm your reply or someone else confirm that?

sorry for the disturbance,but you make me see the light thanks to your consideration,i thank you all.

[Saurus scar-veteran on carnosaur command ability and Alpha skink on stegadon]

Hi everyone,

a crazy thought crossed my mind about the interpretation of the rules.

first of all i’d like to know if the command ability of the saurus scar-veteran on carnosaur works on himself and on the carnosaur.

the rule said that a “saurus unit” get the bonus for every attacks of a model that strikes a 6+ to hit,and the saurus on carnosaur is a single model with a saurus included,does it count for a saurus unit because of that?

if this is the case then i’d like to know if the same principle apply also for the ability of the alpha skink on stegadon to himself,and if yes if it also apply to every unit that includes skink.

The rules said that a “skink unit” get the bonus,it is correct to consider a unit that includes skinks like a “skink unit”?

i know it appear as a distortion of the rule,i only want to make it clear for myself.

thank you all!

[AoS 2 - Seraphon Discussion]

Hello,i'm a new member  of the tga community and a player of seraphon army and i hope to find an answer to a doubt regarding the command ability of the saurus scar-veteran on cold-one "savage charge".the question is:the command ability has effect on the nearby units/models in the hero phase when it's used (and then regarding the attack that earns the cold one it is cumulative if the ability is used multiple times),or it has effect in the phase that are affected by the ability (charge phase and combat phase)?

My opinion is that the bonus to reroll charges and 1 to hit to the nearby units takes effect in  the phase that are affected by it(charge and combat phase),cause it doesn't specifies time duration,and the bonus to make an additional attack to the cold ones' vicious bites of the nearby saurus knights models has effect in the hero phase cause it specifies time duration(until your next hero phase),and so it's cumulative if it's utilised multiple times.

 

I hope this is the right forum to ask that,and that you all can help me resolve this doubt.

thanks