Pete Scholey

I would have no issue with using the old version of kairos as a DP of tzeench. If going forward TOs are making you use the new bigger figure then it would soon make a lot of peoples collections obsolete.. I have the Mierce miniature Greater demon that looks like a Loc...I use him as a LoC..i have the old LoC on an approp base and use him as a Dp of tzeench..Its a perfect model for the job and on the table there is no confusion. I think there needs to be a thread and a strong push towards what is acceptable on the tournament table. Do we really want to start banning people playing cos their bases are not homogeonous after they spend money to attend. Im going to thr SCGT. Its costing me £200 in entry, hotel and fuel before food and beer. I would be pretty pissed off if I was told I couldnt play. However, having said that, if i am investing that amount of money into an event the least I would do is read the pack and see what the criteria and acceptable level is. Having been in the hobby for over 20 years I would never turn up with a hodge podge army. I have always tried to bring my best efforts to events and even pick my army around the figures I think look nice, hence I dont do so well anymore... We need to be careful not to alienate people especially as we are trying to build the scene back after the end of whfb. Clearly this is moving fast with the upcoming scgt having 200 entrants. I think the slaughter was about the 4th highest attendance after last years scgt, facehammer and blood and glory. I dont count gw events which are a law to themselves, so AoS is certainly building and growing, and indeed attracting players from other systems like HW and 40K. Perhaps their attittude to painting and modelling is different, I dont know. but clearly if we are trying to raise the standard of events then a unified and well publicised acceptable standard and indeed consequences for not meeting the standard needs to be made clear. We tried something different at the slaughter with rate the guy. Obviously trhis didnt work as I had hoped as the majority of players gav the maximum 8/8 when clearly these scrores were never merited. Peer pressure, lack of moral conviction or just cant be arsed to give anything less than max might have been at play, again, only players will know. Its back to the drawing board in respect of that idea but some form of sanction for armies/painting and behaviour should be included at the event...

thanks for the feedback so far we tried to encourage a different game dynamic by introducing the kill points being added to the scenario scores to give people another option when picking their army. As well as giving them a chance to get something out of the game by killing more stuff...I had loads of positive comments over the weekend re the scoring system and of course several who were not so keen..That's always the case. We tried it, we may improve it or bin it depending on full feedback and the future systems in GHB2. Painting,,,I agree, it was a mistake not putting all the best armies in one place for selection..the reason we didnt have a TO picked best army was to ensure that for one everyone looked at the armies to get their 5 points and I personally feel a best painted from your peers is more worthwhile than one from an individual whose idea of what is good or not is singularly subjective. Painting standard...several people, most of whom are high profile in the hobby commented to me re the standard of painting..Unfortunately the quality of peoples painting is something as a TO you can not either predetermine or dictate other than ensure all models are painted to a basic level and based. I know at this event there were numerous people attending their first AoS event and even their first tournament. HOpefully as they look around at some of the better armies it may inspire them. I have a concern at the moment at the direction the hobby is going in respect to modelling an inspiration. GW seem to be more rigid in ensuring that there are no proxies, and even people are having to contact them in regards to their events to ensure their conversions and modelling ideas are representitive of the army or unit they are trying to represent. WYSYWYG is an ideal. Do we really want to say to a person, who has paid for an event, booked a hotel, travelled across the country, that that unit of XXXX cant be used because its not the correct model. It is fair to say that there were models not WYSYWYG at the slaughter. But there was a scoring system included for people to mark their opponenent in regards to this. The wining army, had 6 glade guard, three painted one colour as waywatchers, three painted another colour as waywatcher heroes...ALex,the winner had three opponents mark him at maximum. SO as far as they were concerned they clearly had no issue.. They were bowmen, and the opponent knew them as such. Indeed going further, do we all know what every model GW makes looks like. proobably not..But then to expect a TO to go around every table and ask every player if every unit is correct and if found wanting, eject the unit or tell the palyer he can carry on but cant win the event is starting to smack of elitism at best and exclusioning at worst. AoS is a growing community after the end of WHFB. Its going to take time for everyone to get on board with regards to what is acceptable at an event. I agree we need to make efforts to get everything looking nice and correct, but unless a tournament pack states that if you dont bring the correct model you cant use it then we are stuck with the present situation. I have not seen anyone yet being told they cant use a unit for wysywyg...I know ben c stopped someone using a soul grinder at B&G because it wasnt on a base, but other that that Im not aware of any other issue. Perhaps it is something as a community we should push harder...On podcasts and forums let it be known the standard we want to achieve. But at the moment whilst the hobby is growing again I think we need to be a bit flexible and encourage people not turn them away

the top three lists from the event 1. order hurricanum...general 3x waywatcher lord 2 x 10 skinks 3 waywatchers 4 x 3 kurnoth hunters with bows 2 fulminators helstrom rocket 2..destruction savage big boss moonclan grot shaman frostlord on stonehorn huskard on thundertusk 10 savage orruks 60 moonclan grots 20 moonclan grots 30 savage orruk arrow boys 3 fanatics kunnin ruk 3. chaos LoC changeling tzangor shaman 2x 10 pink horrors 20 tzangor 3 enlightened 6 sky fires tzangor coven 280 points summoning

There is now extra space for this event due to an evening party being cancelled. Another 6 places. Let me know if you want one

Bryan. Ok u v Adam

Hi. Yes. You can take the old SBS/WB at the slaughter as if the new book never existed if you want to use items abilities from the new book u can. And take the 140 point WB formation from the order book. However you drop 9 inch from enemy and can't use azyros ability. Up to u. No mixing

a remnder to all players to brng correct models or at least good conversions..we want to see wysywyg at the event so no proxying horses for dogs..if you havnt got thr appropriate model or at least something representitive, cange your list..submission is on the day so there are no excuses

grudges liam jordan v rob boyce mark wildman v adi mcwalter ben johnson v chris tomlin bryan Carmichael v Adam hall

Ben curryWill BartonMartin morrin John greenAdam sinclair Adam hallLiam jordanMarc Brookes Dan Heelan Wayne kempBrian Carmichael Paul marshallsay Nathan Hoole Gavin roath Tom fretwellAndy oakham Matt oakleyAdam cunisDonal Taylor Chris tomlin Ricky mee Andy talbot Paul bucklerMark wildmanBen JohnsonTim fisherJoe PurcellKeith ballPaul HaleyBen CroninJane slaterAdi mac. Spare playerLuke mccughSam watson Craig carltonMatt Hinton Rob symes Declan watersLeslie Martin Liam cookAdam hazelwoodShane ballRob boyce Jonathon kyprianidisBen smithTony MooreNigel chorltonSimon Clifford Mark busbyNathan fosterAdam rawson Stuart Callander.Ben priceChris applefordBen Atkinson Leon HayesDarren palmerMatthew arnoldAlex Harrison Chris greenMatt robertsonRuss vealGary PercivalJames RamsayJohn stevensTerry pikeMichael Biggs.Adam RylandCraig MooreDaniel BradshawKarl Breakspear Dave Roberts Alex gilbank matt lyons

Hi. Yes. You can take the old SBS/WB at the slaughter as if the new book never existed if you want to use items abilities from the new book u can. And take the 140 point WB formation from the order book. However you drop 9 inch from enemy and can't use azyros ability. Up to u. No mixing

Hi. Yes on twf. Tournaments section. Slaughter bit. Pete

For clarity. Any formations not in the new book but are pointed in the ghb are legal. Therefore you can use WB or SBS but can't use the guiding light of the old azyros etc. can still deploy 9 inch from enemy but no nearer.

Oh. And no proxies. Wysywyg please

One week to go. Dont forget 5 pieces of terrain have u got a grand alliance team sorted. New storm cast book or old version allowed. No mixing. You can't use models or units in the new sce that are not released to buy after 18 feb

What we are hoping for is that people will move away from the boring warrior brotherhood and bring something different to the event. We couldn't just say to people your army is no longer valid thereby enforcing them to buy the new book etc.

Alex. We decided to allow the new book in its entirety. So players who have played sc for the past year or so can either continue with their current list formation and points. Or completely use the new book. There can be no mixing. You have a choice.

Fao matt Hinton or anyone know him. Can you contact me as soon as possible re a slaughter ticket.

Ok. I hear you. I'm not gonna change the points used for death but I will allow the new fyreslayer points to be used at the slaughter. It seems universally wanted so I'm not gonna hide my head in the sand.

What is questionable. What is all or nothing. the new points are clearly intended for trial at scgt. I can not tell death players that their army is no longer valid as points are increased. There is no balance in the points. They do not reflect how other units will be costed. We all know various units need adjustment. If these points were not changed then it would not affect the event. If it's sce that's the issue then you have a full week to review the book. Two weeks to look at new scrolls. I hope you still feel able to attend but if you feel strongly and pull out them please let me know as soon as possible as there are several on reserve

t There seems to have been some discussion on certain talk groups about allowing the new SCE book (or not) at the upcoming Slaughter. I took the decision to allow the new book to be used after seeking advice and reassurances from various people whose opinion I trust and respect. It has been pointed out that this contravenes the two weeks grace on releases of new stuff from GW. However, since the scrolls and the new units are available two weeks before the event I feel confident that this is not going to ruin anyones gaming experience. Ok, people wont have had time to play against the new army with its new formations and artifacts and abilities, but again I dont see this as a major issue. How many of you know what all the scrolls, formations and artifacts do in AoS. I certainly dont. Often I sit across from my opponent who will explain what unit X does or formation Y does. The SCE are not a new army, Judicators and Liberators, Stardrakes and Retributors will still work the same so there wont be any real suprises. We know there are a few new units, gryph hounds, knights and a crossbow unit. But their scrolls will be out two weeks before the event. The current version of SCE will still be allowed... YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO MIX OLD AND NEW..Either the old books, which we all know and love, or the new book. Your choice. Finally GW have released updated points for certain units to be trialed at the SCGT in April. the points WILL NOT BE USED at the Slaughter. Im sure people will have their opinions. However, as TO for the event I have made the above decisions which will not alter. Final reminder that Lists are to be submitted on the day. Any dietary requirements LMK by the end of this week. Dont forget to sort out the team event if you want to enter, 4 players, one from each Grand Alliance. thanks Pete

Just reminder re the team competition. Four players each a different faction. There's a prize for the winning team. New sce book will be in use.

Karl. Lists on the day.

Don't forget. 5 weeks to the slaughter. Are you entering the team event. Rules http://adyswargamesden.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Sheffield-Slaughter-2017-Tournament-Events-Packv9-1.pdf

Fao Donal Taylor. Can u mail me re slaughter tickets

Hi. Mystical is the first thing u do if you are within 3 inch of it. If you move through a free destruction move or a spell during the hero phase then you don't take the test. It's a one time test only affecting units at the start of the hero phase. We're doing this to prevent people casting etc and then taking the test. All other terrain tests can be taken as and when. Just mystical.