EccentricCircle
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There is an argument to be made that Legions of Nagash wasn't a soup tome either though. It was Vampire Counts updated for Age of Sigmar, with the Caveat that Nagash had usurped the throne from the actual vampires. Like Beasts of Chaos it just put most of the disparate parts of a shattered WFB army back together (barring ghouls).
When a new Chaos Undivided book comes it will just be Chaos Warriors (minus the god specific stuff), rather than a soup, per se.
The real exception is Cities of Sigmar, which is basically taking five different WFB armies, and combining them all into the same book.
What I'd kind of like to see is a system where each grand alliance has maybe six or so factions, and then a larger unifying battletome, like Legions of Nagash, which lets you put it all together without resorting to just running the grand alliance allegiance.
Depending on how things work out, that could be some sort of Slaves to Darkness tome for Chaos, Waaagh! for destruction, Cities of Sigmar for Order, and of course Legions of Nagash for Death. Time will tell whether they go in that direction.
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Some leaks could also come from those printing the books. Manufacturing has to happen many months before release for obvious reasons.
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Of course a lot may depend on what the Christmas battle forces are this year.
I know there are a few factions which could be very tempting if the right models end up in a discount box. They generally make the contents complementary to SC sets and vs boxes, but beyond that its hard to know what they'll pick. My guess would be gloomspite, maybe a big box of trolls to complement the sqig heavy looncurse, and a more balanced SC set next year.
Nighthaunt could also be a good option, but it would need to complement the starter set so avoid the easy to build kits. They usually have some made of older models too though (50% last year) so those will be a complete surprise. It will be too soon for bone reapers, but Slaanesh could be a possibility, although the options there may be a bit limited, since they wouldn't include the keeper, and the smaller stuff is in Realm of Chaos. In short, who knows, but if the right deal comes up it could change all my plans for next year!
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For painting fatigue it can be good to start a display. Clear a shelf and arrange the painted figures in a nice setup, maybe with some terrain. Leave space for the stuff you are still working on.
Then every time you paint a model you can add it to the parade! I find this really motivates me to crack on and finish some more models, and it makes it easy to compare things to make sure the style of the new models fits.
Its almost like having the finished figures cheering you on as you paint their friends!
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You never know, tonight's preview might be a brand new faction: "Destruction Battletome: Tardigrades"
It would be cool if they preview the Cities and Orcs stuff, but aren't we more likely to get the new Underworlds series before that starts?
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6 minutes ago, AlmGandix3 said:
depending on the models it is (for example if you have many metal ones). For me it isnt that big of a problem since I get to my local GW with the bus, so I dont carry it all the time.
It sounds great.
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That is really cool! Looks heavy to carry around though!
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Assuming that i can get a few projects finished by years end i have a few thoughts for projects in 2020.
Fyreslayers are the only order faction that i don't have a force for, and dwarves are an old favourite so it might be cool to get a small force, probably no more than one of each unit to add as mercs to my other dwarf armies.
Pros: i already have a couple of kits, endless spells, terrain and magmadroth.
Cons: they are expensive, and don't look that easy to paint.
Alternatively i'd like to get a horde of beastmen, so that i can use them for solo campaigns. Beasts are so iconic a threat that they should really feature somehow!
Pros: lots of model variety, rank and file are cheap.
Cons: lots of resin models, not much in bundles.
Finally, I'm kind of tempted by warcry, though I'd likely never get to actually olay it, so would possibly just be getting it for the terrain. I've had an idea for a while to make a chaos army themed around the less popular gods, and cypher lords could make cool aposates of Necoho, with beastmen for zuvassin, and some chaos warriors for malal. We shall see...
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6 minutes ago, Whitefang said:
Right, but he is almost confirmed in Hammerhal, Stormcast seems to be the only choice?
Spoilers for Realmslayer but...
SpoilerGotrek more or less concludes that even if he is a Stormcast now, he will have lost his memory to the point that he won't really be the Felix that Gotrek remembers.
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Its interesting from a lore perspective that his special abilities do describe him as an Avatar of Grimnir. That answers that question.
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Yeah, I've got a few KR cases they are good, but have to be tailored to the model a fair bit.
I'm not sold on magnets for precisely the reasons you suggest. Often the weak point is between the base and the rest of the model, so securing the base tightly and leaving the top heavy part unsupported can be counterproductive.
I tend to get the inset trays for RU boxes and line them with the thin foam sheets you get in blister packs (or used to, I know GW have stopped doing them, but most other manufacturers still do). Then models can either stand up in a rows, or lie on their sides, with foam in between to keep them separate. But it takes up a lot of space to do it that way.
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Although that said, Daemon Udders and the Dairies of Hell would be a great name for a rock band!
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I've been thinking a lot about storage solutions recently, and wondered what the consensus is on the newer style GW carry cases.
Traditionally I've preferred the older style carry cases with the slotted foam layers, since these are pretty robust and compact. Most of my mini collection is fairly traditional infantry, or 25mm scale figures.
However an increasing number of newer models simply don't fit into the standard slot sizes. Warhammer figures are creeping up to 32 mm scale, and the prevalence of larger bases makes it physically impossible to fit things into slotted foam trays, even if the models themselves might fit!
Fpr larger models and terrain I used the "keeping them standing up in Really Useful Boxes" approach. However when you are trying to store an entire army these take up a lot of space, and for some reason the deeper trays for the boxes are bizarrely hard to find.
I've always liked eggshell foam for cavalry scale figures, but for newer armies these sorts of model sizes are the rule rather than the exception. Many are far too fragile to work with eggshell foam without snapping off protruding limbs every time you close the case.
I've recently finished painting a 2000 point-ish nighthaunt force, which has similar problems. So far they've just lived on a display shelf, but the time has come for them to make way for the next project, and go to live in a box for a while. I was looking at the Warcry figures in the store, and while all of those whips and spiked chains look amazing, I just can't see them surviving for more than a couple of trips in and out of the box.
So the only thing I haven't tried (to my knowledge) are the newer GW style foam cases.
Clearly they have introduced these around the time they shifted to basing more of their standard troops on 32 mm rounds, so I have every confidence that it would help for that problem. GW must also know that they currently have a trend for fragile fiddly bits on plastic models, so the question is do the newer cases actually store those without them just snapping?
In short; are they worth the investment?
Does anyone know of a way to store spiked chain wielding plastics without resorting to just keeping them in a glass display cabinet all the time, and having a minion carry them to the gaming table upon a satin cushion with all the pomp and circumstance of a coronation?
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I love the names of your battalions!
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In some ways Forge World have kind of lost their niche though. GW proper can make bigger, better models than ever before. Now that each new faction has a £60-100 centrepiece model, there isn't as much for Forge World to do. Back in the day you legitimately couldn't make those sorts of models out of metal, so doing them in resin made sense. But plastic will always be the superior material for that kind of thing, and whatever economy of scale GW have worked out in order to be able to make those airfix type kits is clearly paying off. Everyone I know would rather have those sorts of models as nice plastic kits, rather than brittle and hard to work with resin.
The only thing Forge World seems to have left up their sleeves are the ridiculously huge models like Smaug and the new Khorne Dragon, but those are so insanely expensive that I can't imagine they are selling many of them. I literally know of no one who has bought one of those £200+ models, and very few people who have anything that cost more than £100. (Obviously some folks on this forum will undoubtedly chip in to say "I did", but the population of one of the net's biggest GW forums isn't representative of what's actually going on on the ground).
They can release more of those giant dragons, and huge god beast type models, but I can't see that actually turning a profit for them. Maybe it works for 40K but I feel like even today AoS is still slightly too niche.
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19 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:
There are a couple of rumours being muted on various social media platforms . The one I heard was that Specialist Games (currently part of Forge World run by Andy Hoare) is being moved out and set up as a dedicated design studio. This would leave Forge World basically producing Age of Darkness (the 30k ruleset for Horus Heresy) and the associated miniatures. Now how this would work in practice is anyone's guess as FW and Specialist Games share resources for Adeptus Titanicus and Age of Darkness.
Another rumour I heard was that Forge World itself would go back to being purely designing and manufacturing resin and all the rules elements would be split out into it's own design studio. Not entirely sure that would follow GW's current thinking as they're actually splitting each game up into it's own team of people (so AoS has its own dedicated rules writers, sculptors, army painters etc - this also applies to Specialist Games such as Bloodbowl).
My own feeling is that I could see something happening between these two rumours - possibly with Specialist Games even adopting some of the boxed game studio.
Interesting! Do Forge World still manage the middle earth stuff? Its hard to tell with the way those products are split between the two webstores?
i was trying to find out when they last renewed their Lord of The Rings license, and how long they have it for the other day. With the new tv series in the works i was wandering whether GW would be doing anything to tie into that, or whether the LotR people might be shopping the license around again.cense
Maybe slightly off topic for AoS, but relevant to FW plans, and the general longevity of resin and metal casting capacity in general I'd think.
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32 minutes ago, AthlorianStoners said:
Ah that makes sense, thank you for clearing that up.
So by rights he should be around Mortarch/Celestant Prime level?
I would think so yes. He's definitely in that "metamortal" kind of range, much to his chagrin I'm sure.
That said, I'm going off information in Kinslayer, Slayer, and Realmslayer, I've not read the other End Times books, so don't know if he shows up later in that arc. His exit in Slayer seemed pretty final, so I don't think so, but I'm not certain.
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I do wonder if the entire point of some of the mercenary companies was to provide a way for players to keep using those units in a variety of formats once they were discontinued.
We've actually got two examples which use of out production models: the Dwarf artillery battery, which and the mounted battalion which has to be led by a Freeguild General on Horse.
Given that there is reason to be concerned about resin Ogres, and there is every chance that regular Chaos marauders could be replaced at some point, I think that it isn't a good idea to treat any merc unit as being safe.
As has been discussed at length, the advent of Cities of Sigmar could potentially make it quite hard to use some of the discontinued models without proxying them. However anything in a merc company will still slot strait into that, and other, armies regardless of how they change the keywords.
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2 minutes ago, AthlorianStoners said:
I thought in the End Times, Grimnir essentially crowned Gotrek as his replacement.
Yes and no...
Grimnir resurrects Gotrek, and sends him to take his place holding the gates to the Realm of Chaos, so that Grimnir can be free to travel back into the Mortal Realm and help in the battles of the end times. Its implied that he imbues him with some of his power (symbolised by trading axes), but he doesn't elevate him to godhood per se.
He is definitely Grimnir's heir, and his chosen champion. He is his replacement in the sense that he takes over doing his job, but not in the sense that Grimnir passes his divine portfolio on to him.
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I dunno, I find it hard to believe he could be trapped in the realm of Chaos for that long and not pick a fight with Khorne, and its not as though either of them would have been reticent to beat each other up.
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I think there is a case to be made that he is the toughest entity in any warhammer universe.
We know that he wandered the Realm of Chaos for millennia until the Ruinous Powers grew bored of tormenting him. Gotrek's whole modus operandi is to pick a fight with everything he meets, kill it, fail to die in the process and then find something even tougher to fight.
From this we can conclude that:
a) Khorne didn't beat Gotrek in a fight
and b) He ultimately got fed up of trying.
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I think that that is pretty normal.
When it comes down to it, excitement about the latest "new thing" is really just enjoying imagining what you can do with it. You foresee yourself painting the models, playing the game, reading the book. If you then get the thing, but loose the momentum to do all those things then its going to feel like an anticlimax, because potentially you've spent a lot of time thinking about doing it all and then your suddenly... not.
If that happens repeatedly, and it becomes clear that you simply don't have time or energy to actually do all the things then that's bound to sour you on the prerelease excitement. After all, when you are imagining painting the models there will be that nagging doubt at the back of your mind as to when exactly you're going to get around to doing that...
I don't think that that is necessarily a bad thing however. There is no rule that you have to get excited about every release (despite what GW's marketing people would love you to think.) There is no rule that you have to keep up with it all. Barring the odd limited release, anything new is still going to be around in six months to a year, so its absolutely fine to take a step back, and say "I'm going to do some meeting engagement games for the time being, I'll check out Warcry if and when I feel like it."
That might be annoying to other players in your area who haven't gotten into ME, but are trying to get a warcry group together. If that is the case then there are plenty of compromises possible. even if you want to play the game, no one is forcing you to spend 100 quid on it, when you could just grab some rules cards or whatever.
Games Workshop have gotten very good at building hype for these kind of events, and communities like this one have a tendency to play right into their hands. We reinforce the hype, and in some cases greatly exaggerate it. Its definitely better to recognise that, and make a conscious decision not to pay as much attention, rather than trying to keep up with everything, when you just don't care as much as you used to. Taking a break from that aspect of the hobby, and focusing on other strands might be just what you need to remember why you used to enjoy engaging with it all in that way. Even if it doesn't you might end up saving money on stuff, which is always a plus!
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And while I'm at it...
Legions of Nagash
I've been meaning to put all of my nighthaunt units into a legions of Nagash list for a while, and see what it came out as, and it turns out that both halves of the army are around 2500, so the whole is well over 5000. I've included the Ghouls in the photo as well, so that they don't feel left out, I'm not sure if I'd actually have enough ally points for them at 5K or not!
Now I just need a battalion of long legged beasties to go with the Ghoulies, Ghosties, and Things That go Bump in the Night.
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As promised here are my Dispossessed/ Dwarves, with a couple of Fyreslayers along for the ride.
The army is theoretically 5880 points, but isn't really a legal AoS force. Some stuff, like the adventurers don't have stats, and the Steam Tank wouldn't really be allowed in a WFB Dwarf army, which is what this essentially is. One of my favourite colections though!
From Left to Right:
Magmadroth, Mine carts, Thunderers, Quarrelers, Gyrocoptors and aviator, Slayers, Adventurers, Hammerers, Longbeards.Smithy with Runelords, Runesmiths and Anvils of Doom (plus Fyreslayer forge), Drunken Dwarves and Battle standard bearer, High King on Throne of Power, Iron Drakes and Ironbreakers.
Dwarven Lords and Thanes, around 100 Dwarf Warriors, Flame Canon, Organ Gun, Canons, Bolt Throwers, Grudge Thrower, and Miners.
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Storage and transport solutions
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So the verdict is that the new Zig-Zag Foam cases from GW aren't worth it then? They don't substantially help for the newer type models?