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    AoS 2 - Soulblight Discussion

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    Yeah, there's something a bit off about a 7-drop alpha strike army.

    But I am deeply sympathetic to the idea of the list.  I imagine it's a case where the emotional satisfaction of the epicness of its wins outweighs the disappointment with their infrequency.

    AoS 2 - Legion of Sacrament Discussion

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    On 7/23/2018 at 4:07 AM, Honk said:

    Next rule question ? :

    Do we have a ruling for „Mark of the Favored“ yet?

    I know the FAQ states, that the wound is suffered after the attack is finished, but how many dice do you roll?

    Is it once per unit? Is it for each model choosing to attack? Is it for each melee attack profile choosing to target the general? Is it per to hit dice thrown at him? 

    I mean for a unit of 5 black knights charging, that is either 1/5/10/20 dice you get to roll...

    my (German) book says: ...whenever the general is chosen as a target for an attack during the melee phase...

    the horse on the far left side could choose to attack something else with its second hoof attack...but that seems stupidly strong, while only one die per unit seems just stupid

     

    any good answers, which will not have to be decided by a shouting contest?

     

    I stand by the interpretation that you roll for Mark for each hit dice thrown.  

    I know some people have argued that it is one per attacking unit, but that doesn't hold up to me. 

    The errata language actually helps clear it up a bit:  "On a 6+ the attacking unit suffers 1 mortal wound after all of its attacks have been resolved."  Ergo, an attacking unit has multiple attacks, and I don't consider it a stretch at all to say that each of those attacks needs a target.

     

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    AoS 2 - Legion of Sacrament Discussion

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    40 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

    Where are those updates? because can't see and I've checked at GW there

    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Flesh-Eaters-Courts-Abhorrant-Ghoul-King-on-Terrorgheist

    and 

    https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-abhorrant-ghoul-king-terrorgheist-en.pdf

    Its in the one on the app.  You can tell those are the old warscrolls because they still have the old layout/format.

    AoS 2 - Grand Host of Nagash Discussion

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    1 hour ago, LordDrakonus said:

    Nagash list I'm plannin on doing after I finish my nighthaunts thoughts?

     

    2000 Grand Host of Nagash

    1 Command points
    1 drop

    Battalions/Endless Spells
    First Cohort 160

    Umbral Spellportal 60

    Purple Sun of Syish 100

    Prismatic Palisade 30

    Aethervoid Pendulum 40

    Heros
    Nagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead 800

    Necromancer 110

    Battleline

    30 Skeleton Warriors 240

    30 Skeleton Warriors 240

    2 Morghast Archai 220

    Army total 2000

    Nagash + lots of endless spells is legit.  You are one skeleton/grave guard unit short of a valid FC batallion, though, and technically the necromancer makes it a 2 drop.

    But a bit of tweaking will fix it right up.

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    AoS 2 - Legion of Sacrament Discussion

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    47 minutes ago, Vortumnas said:

    Thank you, this was my interpretation as well, but I didn't want to take it for granted. So, in theory, Arkhan could be 7" away from an Umbral Spellportal, place the other end of the portal 24" away, and then gain +6" to whatever spell he casts through the portal? If I'm interpreting that right, that's insane.

    I think he still has to be 1" from the portal, and the 2nd portal must be set up within 18" of the first.  But yes, whatever he casts through the portal would have it's range extended by 6".

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    AoS 2 - Grand Host of Nagash Discussion

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    1 hour ago, Sception said:

    I get the appeal of the extra command point, between that and the cohort, you can use Nagash's command ability every turn, and still have two points left to resummon slain units.

    That said, dropping the extra point gets you enough for a cairne wraith, which would allow you to take both the ossific diadem and the gravesand timeglass, and you'd still have one point spare for endless legions.  Do you really think the opponent is going to successfully carve through 40 skeletons twice over in the same game?

    I like your thought here, but his list is 1990 as is.  The command point is from the batallion.

    It brings up an interesting point, in that you do not "pay" for command points, so you should never be "spending" 50 points in your list for one.  You get them automatically for being short.  

    AoS 2 - Legion of Blood Discussion

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    14 hours ago, arka0415 said:

    It isn't much, but does it at least buff the Zombie Dragon too? That would be helpful if it did.

    It does.

    I'm thinking of taking something like the below list for a spin to get a sense for what's possible:

    Spoiler

     

    Allegiance: Legion of Blood

    LEADERS

    Vampire Lord On Zombie Dragon (440)

    - General

    - Command Trait : Walking Death

    - Deathlance

    - Artefact : Ring of Dominion

    - Lore of the Vampires : Vile Transference

    Vampire Lord (140)

    - Nightmare

    - Lore of the Vampires : Amaranthine Orb

    Necromancer (110)

    - Lore of the Deathmages : Overwhelming Dread

    UNITS

    5 x Blood Knights (240)

    5 x Hexwraiths (160)

    40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)

    -Ancient Spears

    20 x Chainrasp Horde (160)

    5 x Dire Wolves (60)

    2 x Morghast Harbingers (220)

    -Spirit Halberds

    BEHEMOTHS

    Mortis Engine (180)

    TOTAL: 1990/2000 EXTRA COMMAND POINTS: 0 WOUNDS: 143

    LEADERS: 3/6 BATTLELINES: 3 (3+) BEHEMOTHS: 2/4 ARTILLERY: 0/4

    ARTEFACTS: 1/1 ALLIES: 0/400

     

    I think the list is fairly balanced, but we'll see.

    Thoughts:

    1. The VLoZD outfitted as is under the LoB seems scary.  21 to hit rolls at full health means 3-4 of those attacks score mortals on average with the command trait.  Might be a bit janky, but I think I can add to this nonsense with Ring of Domination, with the stolen weapon also getting +1 attack from the Allegiance Ability, and the ability to Mortal off a roll of 6.  Combine with Dread Knight and I can't imagine much surviving that combat.
    2. Blood Knights pack a very good punch as well, as long as they get in on the charge.  Hexwraiths provide the screen necessary to keep the Blood Knights from getting bogged down, and can fly over the target unit, do some mortals, pile-in from the back, and open up the lane for the Blood Knight charge.  The mounted VL rides with this cavalry block for support.
    3. The Morghasts pose another legitimate threat with good reach thanks to extended charge range, and big rend-2 to tackle more defensive blocks if needed.  The bravery debuff bubble adds to the LoB bravery threat.
    4. The battleline is meant to grind out a win by attrition.  40 Skeletons can do surprising damage.  20 Chainrasps add durability.  Both supported by a Necromancer for extra recursion and either VH buff or OD debuff as needed.  The Mortis Engine accelerates the attrition game by radiating MW across a -3/-4 bravery debuffed bubble and also debuffs enemy casting.
    5. Small unit of wolves roam as needed, grabbing objectives, tying up a shooting unit for a turn, or pinning a key target in place.

    There are holes here for sure, but it seems fun, and gives me an option for Death other than Nagash.

     

    AoS 2 - Grand Host of Nagash Discussion

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    That's right.  Allegiance abilities like the Lore Spells are not available to allies.  

    BUT.... Guardian of Souls CAN take an extra spell, and from either Lore to boot, since it is now LoN legal.  Makes no sense tbh, but is in keeping with RAW.

    AoS 2 - Grand Host of Nagash Discussion

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    11 hours ago, RuneBrush said:

    Just as a heads up Lady Olynder doesn't have the Deathlords keyword (or at least the warscroll on the community site doesn't), which means she won't be able to pick an extra spell from the Lore of Death.

    I don't think that is accurate?

    She can't pick an extra spell from the Lore of Death because she's an ally and doesn't get the allegiance ability.

    The only keyword that is necessary to qualify for the extra spell is Wizard, which she does have.  The extra rules about Deathmages, Vampires and Deathlords are additional sub-rules specific to those types, not a pre-requisite for the ability itself.  I think?

    AoS 2 - Soulblight Discussion

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    All I'm saying is that there might be something there if people really think through all of the changes.  For example, hordes lose their objective priority in the new scenarios.  In some of the new ones, casters get priority.  Easier to get in combat turn one due to deployment changes.  Changes to CPs and some combo shenninghans with Prince V or VLoZD.  

    The gravesites and recursion are the most obvious and powerful of the Death abilities, and that's the route I'm going down personally.  All I'm saying is that it's too early to say for sure that elite vampire armies are a non-starter.  I'm rooting for whoever has the balls to figure out how to make it work.

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    AoS 2 - Soulblight Discussion

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    1 hour ago, Tizianolol said:

    I love the idea of elite vampire list. But with this meta hords are the way too go and nagash book making them the only choice. I hope in a SB book too:)

    There might be game for elite Vampire lists.  Some new scenarios have shorter distance between deployment zones (18').  That, along with some of the tweaks to shooting, and the buffs to casters in general, might open up space for some smart cookies to hit gold.

    AoS 2 - Legion of Blood Discussion

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    1 hour ago, Deadkitten said:

    I'm looking at running a full unit of wolves along with my Blood Knights.

    VLoZD

    2 × Vamp Lord

    3 × min Blood Knights

    3 × min Wolves

    Max Wolves

    +1 CP

    Looks good as a Blood list to me.  I like it.

    The tinkerer in me might try two changes:

    Combine 2 min BoK into 1 x 10 man unit to get more mileage out of a CP buff.

    Change the max Wolves unit to 10 Hexwraiths (!?).  Idea here is to use the Hexwraiths as a screen for your big BoK group, then on your turn fly over the enemy to open them up to the charge.  Can't charge through wolf screens.

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    AoS 2 - Grand Host of Nagash Discussion

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    11 hours ago, Sception said:

    Would want to find room for some endless spells.  Pallisades could be the difference between undeath and just just death for olynder, but even more than that, Nagash, vain as he is, would never leave the house without his mirrors.

    Drop 1 unit of Dogs to 5 and add Mirrors.

    9 hours ago, smucreo said:

    I'd honestly rather run Olinder in a sacrament list with Arkhan, but since we are in the Grand Host thread I'll echo what Sception is saying: Nagash loves his mirrors. Otherwise the list looks cool.

    EDIT: Lady Olinder counts as ally right?

    Why with Arkhan?  Seems like a less useful pairing to me?

    And yes, she counts as an ally.

    AoS 2 - Grand Host of Nagash Discussion

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    Posted · Edited by Lemon Knuckles

    In honor of today's reveal, what about this?

    Grand Host of Nagash

    Nagash

    Lady Olynder

    Necromancer

    40 x Skeletons

    40 x Skeletons

    10 x Dogs

    10 x Dogs

    1950 points, 143 wounds, +1CP

    Olynder's spell combos well with Necro's Dread to put an enemy unit at -2 to hit and has Nagash hitting it on a 2+ in melee.  

    Necro's Gravesand artefact combos well with Olynder's Gravesand ability to deal D3 + D6 MW to enemy hero and a further 1 MW per round on a 4+.

    If they focus Olynder to remove her, it's just more time for Nagash to do his thing.

    If they focus Nagash to contain him, well, her smallish 7W becomes less of a problem.

    The dogs could be anything really... a unit of Morghasts to be more killy, perhaps... but I kinda like the mobile meatshields.

    ADDED BONUS:  Paint a tuxedo on Nagash and you have a morbid, Tim Burton-esque Bride and Groom combo.

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