[AoS 2 - Dispossessed Discussion]

On 1/23/2019 at 5:14 PM, Furuzzolo said:

By the way it's very hard for me to understand the difference between 40 warriors (280) and 30 longbeards (270). I get it, you lose 10 wounds, 10 bodies but the 4+ save make up for the wounds against every -1 rend attack, the reroll to wound should be better then 10 more attacks.

Has anyone done the math? They look strictly better to me...

Shield Wall    0    -1    -2    -3/MW
40DW    90    55.38    40    40
30LB    120    60    40    30
                
Normal    0    -1    -2    -3/MW
40DW    60    48    40    40
30LB    60    45    36    30
                
Damage    Wounds at -1    Averaged over two turns        
40DW    13.33    15.55        
40DW*    17.8    15.55        
30LB    11.66    11.66        

 

The first one is average number Wounds needed to destroy if using shield wall.

The second is average number of Wounds needed if not using shield wall.

The third is the average number of wounds dealt at -1 rend if every member of the unit gets to attack

* This is the number of wounds if the Dwarf Warriors are allowed their reroll, while the second column is the average of getting it for one turn and then not for another.

Ultimately, Longbeards are better at defending with Shieldwall while Warriors do better than Longbeards when not using Shieldwall as well as dealing better with Mortal Wounds of course. 

For combat, Warriors will do more damage assuming everyone gets to fight, which may not always be the case. Thus this area is still debatable.

I would say one could afford to switch more frequently between offence and defense with Warriors whereas Longbeards would have a greater benefit loss. One could also take the 5+ resistance to magic for Warriors and the other grumble options of the Longbeards into consideration.

[AoS 2 - Dispossessed Discussion]

On 10/25/2018 at 6:16 PM, Ragnar Alpaca said:

Hey quick question everyone. Most of my warriors are made with hand weapon and shield, along with my 10 longbeards also being hand weapon and shield, theoretically if we played a game together how many of you would be ok with me using these as great weapon/double hand weapons? Basically  what is the general consensus on using a weapon not modeled as shown?

Any weapon made by a Dwarf is a great weapon