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I'm here now and it's also literally bigger. They moved it from a tiny conference room to one of the main event halls
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3 hours ago, Moonstone said:
Entirely possible. One of the things I heard was in there was some sort of Stormcast Wizard unit (in a similar manner to Doomfire Warlocks/ Sisters of the Thorn).
I LOVE the idea of this but it is another step in the 'Stormcast=space marines' thing. Now we have SC Grey Knights.
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5 hours ago, TheWilddog said:
I of course have not seen the book and the full rules but from what we have seen Morathi looks prettttty good at 480. I had money on at least 550 with my buddy. Will be interesting to see how she plays.
She's such a weird unit, it's almost impossible to eye-ball it.
72" balewind range for Oracle Morathi should be fun though.
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3 hours ago, Malakithe said:
Pretty sure Nagash's CA is the best in the game.
And if you wait to transform her till turn 3 she will be dead for sure. Any smart oppenent with shooting will take her out with a double turn. She may only take 3 wounds a battle round but she has 6
Don't have her derped out in the dead center of the board. Problem solved. Even skyfires only have a 40" range. Add on to that the fact that she can change spontaneously and even if your opponent COULD shoot her off like that, they'e basically gambled the entire game on going after her. Good players won't even go after her most of the time. It's more efficient to kill everything around her first.
Oracle Morathi isn't that much bigger than a witch elf, LoS shouldn't be hard.
Basically if you lose her on a double turn after choosing not to transform her, that's your fault.
I will concede that stormcast lists will be anathema to this strat. Deepstriking judicators turn one, Rain of stars turn two, cry into beer turn 3.
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2 hours ago, sandlemad said:
The statue of Khaine from the cauldron of blood kit seems to be freestanding in the background of the oracle photo, confirms what the older WHC article said. There's mist added but look like it might have its own base? It will be interesting to see if this is a 40k-style walking battle construct or a scenery piece like the gnarlmaw. You can build the cauldron kit as a cauldron without the statue easily enough, so maybe that will be an option too.
They already confirmed that it's its own thing
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1 hour ago, Yokai said:
I think players tend to gravitate towards the Grand Alliance with the most armies, because there you will have the most choices available.
And with the Sigmarines being the poster boys of the game, able to ally with each and every other Order faction on top, it's a rather obvious choice for someone who makes a little research before investing in AoS. Order is just bloated with choices already, at least compared with Destruction for example.
Very few people actually play GA:Order, they play their faction with some allies OR occasionally someone will play double pheonix based GA lists to cosplay Byron Orde.
Someone who researches which armies before hand will also see that probably only around a third of available order units are any good and that the majority of those are only good within that specific faction. A player looking for an army with tons of options is much better off picking up chaos.
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13 hours ago, Skarloc said:
It's a matter of feeding those WH40K guys..
Last week's pre-orders was AoS Malign Portent. This weekend's pre-orders are Shadespire and Necromunda..
It's a matter of balance amongst GW's games..
40k is just getting codexes and single model releases. They'll likely do multiple things in the same week.
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1 hour ago, maximum_pants said:
I don't think that Adepticon changing its rule cut off date has any
I don't think the DoK release date can be read from the adepticon rules changes. I'd love it if they did come out then, But 3 weeks has always been Alex's cut off date for new rules. He runs lots of events throughout the year, and always the same.
The only reason it's possibly relevant is simply because it was stated that it was the 22nd before and got changed, and because the warhammer 40k team tournament did a similar thing last year for Guillamen. Combine that with the only known releases from the 24th through the end of March being 3 40k codexes with 1 new model between them, the new imperial knight model and DoK, it's not like they don't have a window for them.
That said it could just as easily be nothing. A typo or some other thing. Lots of reasons the date could change. Or it could have always been the 3rd all along and got read wrong.
Hell, even if it's right it could still be a massive coincidence.
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22 minutes ago, DantePQ said:
I agree with Killax here - merging is the best solution especially with factions that fit together - like Darkling Covens or Shadowblades. Also folding smaller factions into new factions make sense. I think merging Shadowblades with DoK would make great sense(but I doubt it will happen) but that's only one example.
I personally don't see any real need to have more than 2 Chaos books.
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Yunno, whenever talk of GAs getting too many releases come up, it's interesting that no one ever really acknowledges that Chaos has actually gotten, kit for kit, more new releases than order has in the past year and change(heh, pun). If anyone needs to take a backseat it's chaos.
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1 minute ago, Moonstone said:
Helstorm rocket battery or a regular dwarf cannon could be potentially quite good with him.
What'll be interesting is if Order get some big set-piece artillery eventually. Anything significantly powerful could get pushed into the realm of turbo-cheese with him.
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8 minutes ago, Infeston said:
I think it depends on their price point-wise. If they will be priced between 60-100 points (depends on which harbringer you choose) they could be considered worth taking. If they will be priced at 120-160 points I think they will definitely collect dust.
The ordinator could be free and he'd still only be in free people/ironweld arsenal armies. But yeah, for the others 60-100 is about right.
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4 minutes ago, Infeston said:
Jeah, sadly it seems that way. I really expected better rules.
Now see, this, this we can be sure about. Unless there's some special 'Harbinger' clause to matched play now, these guys'll be collecting dust for the most part.
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28 minutes ago, Killax said:
Sorry Death
Is this ****** gonna start again? Had the same problem with 8th ed 40k. It was irritating then, it's irritaring now.
WAIT FOR CONTEXT.
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27 minutes ago, NurglesFirstChosen said:
Anyone have an idea of release dates for death and daughters of khaine?
Death should be going up for preorder next week or the week after. No idea on DoK
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35 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:
Funnily enough I was starting to think along the same lines, GW have often used snake like bodies in association with Slaanesh. I'm wondering if we're going to see a Slaaneshii/Aelve combined faction as this would allow GW to move away from the "more adult" design we've seen. Then again that could risk the ire of people who run mixed order armies with models such as Witch Aelves. Could we see a faction that could be run in two grand alliances? Who knows! It's great fun guessing
Probably the best teaser trailer that's been released yet, though it's a bit of a shame this could overshadow Legions of Nagash. My biggest question is if this is going to tie into Malign Portents?
100% it will. She's after Elias remember? It's the same voice actress.
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2 hours ago, someone2040 said:
Super excited to see where this leads.
Hoping it's basically the Daughters of Khaine + Tenebrael Shard + Some new kits. I really want to see GW take the lead an expand the factions they created in the great Grand Alliancing. So this seems like an awesome endeavor to me.
Just hoping that it comes with repackaged Witch Aelves boxed into 20's with a hefty discount. Otherwise their new rules/points are going to have to be dramatically stronger to afford such an army.
Overall hoping we see some previews at LVO, otherwise I think GW might cop some backlash if they just show off the Harbringers again with a little preview of Legions of Nagash (Stuff we basically already know about).
LVO will most likely be 40k (which is sort of LVO's thing) and we'll get warhammer community articles covering Sigmar.
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47 minutes ago, Bjarni St. said:
There's nothing out there to suggest it. They've got their hands full with Heresy.
I would be absolutely shocked if forgeworld does anything for aos for at least a few years. They're caught up in the heresy 7thvs8th thing, they're going to have to do 8th rules for custodes soon, they're miles behind their 40k releases with the super late fires of cyraxis, and they never really seemed to like WHFB or AoS anyway.
Not a huge loss, outside of the Mourngul their fantasy sculpts weren't anything special.
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1 hour ago, HorticulusTGA said:
So with the e-mail text about the last MP video, it's pretty obvious (at least IMO) that it's going to be Shadow Aelves, with Morathi / Malerion on the move. That's great.
And it means that we'll get some more factions before the AOS global campaign.
- What is (almost) certain we'll get : Maggotkin of Nurgle (new models), Legions of Nagash (no new models - mayyyybe Soulblights), Shadow Aelves (new models).
- What will come too : the 4 Harbingers, the new (reboxed) scenery, the Malign portents campaign book.
There will probably be more, but with the "MP painting muster" event being January-February-March, I don't think we'll get more until that point.
- April-May-June is Aelves and 40k ; 40k being the end of the codex rush rereleases (and as GW stated), the start of new narrative campaigns for 40k (NB : 40k will probably get after the codexes, new campaign supplements like Gathering Storm, Wrath of Magnus, etc, and NOT a 40k global campaign like Season of War / Fate of Konor : this year is for am AOS global campaign).
- In June-July (because summer holidays) we should see the launch of the global campaign, website-based (like Season of War / Fate of Konor), so no new campaign book (we'll already have the MP one), with results destined to change the ongoing AOS narrative.
- In June we'll also so get "Souls War", byJosh Reynolds, surely dealing with the narrative part of the global campaign. That should include (IMO) the Great work of Nagash being completed, with himself leading the invasion of the Mortal Realms.
- If we get a new Death faction at some point this year (which I really hope), then this summer campaign is probably the ideal moment to release it (this new death army could probably be a part of the Great work too - and I think it could be more of a Skeleton / Reanimant army than Soulblight army).
The 40k bit is wrong. The 'leaked' release schedule only shows codexes until june or w/e but there are between 5-10 (depending on faction shake-out) that still need to be released after Orkz.
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46 minutes ago, HorticulusTGA said:
Yes, and by change, I hope we mean new models
With this strange inclusion in the LoN book, there is another two hints this could happen :
1. On the WHTV about Malign Portents, Phil Kelly said to look at the Shyish Innerland Marshes map for new release hints. The only location with a faction described is the Necros Island, where a vampire army has defeated the Khorne invaders.
2. In the last Malign portents video, the female voice could belong to Neferata, and the "my children" part could refer to the vampire from her bloodline (she is the first vampire of the realms with Mannfred). Also, Vampire are sometimes called "children of the night".
But then, with the new rumor about Aelves, and the probability the voice in the video belong to Morathi, we really can't say....
I mostly want to be Morathi because it NOT being neferata doesn't really decrease the chances of getting a death release but it being Morathi pretty much guarantees shadow aelves
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4 hours ago, Praetor of Calth said:
I'm honestly starting to get the feeling that the purpose of Malign Portents isn't too expand Death as such. Not too say that they won't be a main feature, or get new models, but they aren't the focus. The purpose of this story is the return of Slaanesh at the end of the year/start of next. Calling it now.
Nagash will probably go around fething things up, reclaiming a bunch of "stolen" Aelf and Stormcast souls, and somehow that'll result in Slaanesh's release.
I don't think Slaanesh is that big of a concern for GW honestly. They don't really sell that well and the vast majority of sculpting options that would make sense for Slaanesh aren't exactly 'box art friendly' I wouldn't be surprised if even Morathi's aelves aren't Chaos related.
Slaanesh will get an update eventually but I would put money on it being plastic fiend, plastic keeper, plastic chariot, couple of plastic HQs and that'll be it for a looong time.
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31 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said:
Not been paying much attention to events but is that right? I thought they were allowed as per the GW ruling (can't remember if in FAQ or just for GW Heats) but you get the Firestorm rules if you drop the Grand Alliance rules.
As for the Malign Portents stuff, I'm really, really excited about what Legions of Nagash will bring but then GW also showed off lots of stuff for 40K (Adeptus Custodes!!!!!!) so I'm having a wobble!
Tournament rulings supercede GW rulings for that event and with the controversy of firestorm at launch combined with some bonecrushingly stupid abilities, unclear rules regarding artefacts, and just the general sense that it's not worth the time or effort, firestorm allegiances have been broadly banned at tournaments.
For sheriff, you could originally use both, which was asinine bullstuff and made certain armies (stormcasts) ridiculously overpowered. Then they FAQed it that you could use firestorm instead of you normal allegiance but by that point the competitive community had largely moved on.
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27 minutes ago, Sheriff said:
My fear is that TOs will ban any allegiances or warscrolls that come in the Portents book, just like they ban the firestorm allegiance rules.
"those are meant for narrative play only" etc.
Generally they only ban things when they create major issues, ala firestorm or the 40k power "Break most of the Tournaments terrain today" aka shifting worldscape.
If they actually create rules to be used in matched play, that had matched play in mind when they were made, they'll probably be integrated. I wouldn't hold my breath, GWs supplement rules are notoriously terrible for tournament style events (death from the skies)
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The thing is, I just don't think they're going to expand the current allegainces in the way people are thinking, I think LoN is meant to amalgam everything current together into a single flexible spot and then from that point on everything else will be totally new factions that will draw from the old stuff.
Basically the idea is Death will (possibly) work like the different flavors of space marine in 40k. You'll have codex marines with multiple chapter tactics that provide the basis for the 'abberant chapters'. This is the LoN book. Then you'll have a number of factions that share a lot of core units with Codex marines (LoN) but also have their own unique units (like blood angels)
So for example, a shambling hordes book will come out with a bunch of totally new kits, but also uses stuff from deathrattle and...whatever the zombie umbrella is.
Then after that you'll get ghoulish visions book that has it's radical new stuff but also mortis engines and spirit hosts. Then you'll get unholy constructs with morghasts and terrorgheists etc.
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The Rumour Thread
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
Posted · Edited by Burf
I'm gonna go with 'yeah, really' here, and looking at those battletomes I don't see how you could say they 'designed them with a change like this in mind' with a straight face.
To illustrate my point, we know for a fact that GW uses value spreadsheets to help calculate point costs from things the playtesting team has said, so lets use some ourselves. Right now offense, defense(save), defense (wounds), speed, bravery, range, magic, buffs, etc all have a certain weighting based on how important those stats are.
The issue is that changing the way charges works puts a much heavier premium on speed and offense than there was before, while decreasing the value of defense. This means the value of fast, glass cannon units goes up rather massively and the value of slow, defensive units goes down slightly.
I know from your posts on the DoK forum that you're very familiar with that army. I want you to really think for a second what it would mean to get 3 buffed units of witch aelves in combat on the same turn, a feet that is not in anyway difficult to achieve. That would mean 360 unanswerable attacks with at least reroll to wound on every unit, that's NINETY damage to a 4+ save BEFORE mindrazor, catechism of murder, etc, in game where most armies have 120ish wounds, and that's only using 810pts of your army. You end up in a situation where literally the only things left alive after your charge phase are the things you couldn't reach.
Yes there are tactical things you can do to mitigate this and the game could still work with this change, but thinking you can give aggressive melee units such a huge buff without rebalancing their points is laughable. Think of all the extra points people use on defenses, even in aggressive lists, that they wouldn't even have to bother with knowing that if they poor enough resources into offenses and speed, the enemy simply would never hit them back.
And saying 'but destruction isn't that strong' Isn't really the point, there are extremely strong aggressive, fast combat armies out there that a change like this, in a vacuum, would break wide open.
Side bar: That rule doesn't exist anywhere in 40k, it's just that 40k doesn't have the work-around abilities that AoS does (hammerstrike, etc)