[Stormcast Eternals 3.0 - There is no "a" in Vindictors]

On 11/30/2021 at 8:34 AM, PJetski said:

Since you had such good knowledge of the local meta I think you made the right call.

How did you find your list matching up against Seraphon? Was the lack of Scions and Incantor an issue?

Looking forward to bumping into you at events again (probably at the top tables, like usual) in the new year! Maybe this time you will be the one playing a stormcast castle list 

Ridge's Seraphon Thunder Lizards list was the matchup I feared the most going into the event - it (and maybe the 1 drop DoK's) were probably the only matchups I felt wouldn't be in my favor. Without changing my list I don't think Scions would have made much difference, nor was there 1 critical spell I'd wished I had the Incantor for. The most punishing thing was -1 damage on the Longstrikes, who did a total of 7 damage through their first 3 rounds of shooting 😢

In hindsight though, the matchup perhaps was not as bad as I thought it would be, and I perhaps played more 'desperate' than I needed to as I only lost by 2 vp in the end - I'll chalk that up to inexperience with the list/army and I'll know for next time. I've been gravitating to Judicators a lot in list building, and they 100% would have been a huge boost there - just gotta track down some models to test them on the table

On 11/30/2021 at 9:19 AM, Chronos said:

Hey Jordan, thanks for the awesome reply.

It seems I read into what you guys were saying a little too much or in the wrong way. I think my mindset was, after watching your last two tournament recaps, that here's 3-4 guys who are obviously really great at the game, placing 4-1 and 5-0 and it seemed like to me you were saying the damage was too easy, not to be careful it's too easy. So that's my bad on the misinterpretation.

Also I found it funny that your Seraphon player(I'm bad with names...) is 5-0 the last two tournaments with probably a mean list and here you guys are talking about Stormcast being maybe too good? But again obviously you've clarified you're talking moreso about TV being the problematic part so again that was maybe my mix up in what you were saying.

I'd like to say that I wasn't trying to say you were the ones wanting them nerfed into the ground, but there has in general been talk of Stormcasts' good units getting nerfed especially with the December FAQ so that's why I brought it up.

Just watching your channel in general this has helped me a lot as someone who got into AoS just before Covid hit and am just starting to play a lot of games now, because you're absolutely right. I had a pretty good idea of how to fight Archaon Tzeentch due to your batreps but going in blind against giants was rough.

You're obviously much more experienced and a better player than myself, so you're probably right. I just find in this meta with a lot of power-pieces that to me it's just another power-piece. Add in talk of Fulminators getting a points bump and it does seem a bit like Stormcasts good pieces are getting adjusted RIGHT AWAY, and (someone else already brought this up in earlier pages) but other power pieces can last a year or more. I guess we will see what happens in December!

Even if I did complain about what you guys talked about, I don't think anything you said was derogatory or that you hate the army! You gave an in depth look and I'm somewhat biased so disagreed with your opinion.

Not to sound like I'm a promoter, but you're content is awesome and everything you're doing with your channel is great. It's my go to for batreps and to learn nuances of the game as it's IMO the best place for a competitive look and just such good production value!

On a side note, I'm in the west GTA but I think you've scared me off of going into X-planet(I think you've mentioned that FLGS) as it seems like the meta is really strong/amazing players.

Thanks again for the reply.

In the end all is good - I'm glad to have read your feedback as its a good reminder for me to try to be clearer & more impartial when I chat about armies/units!

I similarly am used to (and often annoyed by) constant bashing of armies I love/play so I feel you there, and I want to make sure I'm not adding to the pile of internet whining haha. Other than Gargants, the haughty Aelf player in me distastes them greatly XD

As Paul said though, X-Planet is great, definitely don't shy away! There is an amazing and varied community there, and you should definitely get involved - I know they have a lively discord if you want to jump in!

 

[Stormcast Eternals 3.0 - There is no "a" in Vindictors]

11 hours ago, Chronos said:

Yeah focusing is probably the way to go. I have to get better at screening as well.

On another note, I just finished watching the bat rep at Season of War between a list similar to the one above against a double mawa-krusha list and the Stormcast won.

I like the guys a lot(being fellow Canadians) but it was... interesting to hear them talk(complain) about Stormcast so much when both these guys are super competitive and play things like double maw-krusha Ironjaws and Lumineth with a bunch of Sentinels.

I mean, in my game against Host Arcanmum Tzeentch with Archaon and Kairos(really underpowered list there), my opponent just sat Kairos within range of my Longstrikes, so of course I killed him. Even without TV I would have killed him turn one. I don't see how it's Stormcasts' issue when the opponent is going to just put his 4+ save monster within range. If you want to castle up and get all your buffs off as Lumineth turn one, it's not my problem if you are going to have to leave you 740 point god model within range.

I'm just really surprised by good players not feeling like they need to counter-play and change their tactics around as new armies come out.

I also can't believe a Lumineth player would complain about another strong shooting unit that isn't even as good.

Do people really want Stormcast nerfed so they aren't good at anything?

*Edit I should also note that in a previous tournament, the Lumineth player lost Teclis turn 1 but still ended up winning the game... Just a weird take all around.

Hey Chronos!

I wanted to start off by saying thanks for the kind words about us/our show - we're trying our best to rep the Canadian scene well! As a fan of our content I just wanted to clarify my intentions about the comments/discussions we've had about Stormcast, and the points you've mentioned.

First off, as a general blanket statement I didn't mean to imply that any units were grossly overpowered/undercosted or anything when referring to SCE being 'very strong', nor did I want to be derogatory about the army. Like you mention I play Lumineth as well and I would say they are also very strong! I definitely didn't mean any of my comments as complaints, or with the inference that I felt any of the units should be nerfed, have their pts increased, or that the army shouldn't be good at anything.

At this point with AoS I collect/play so many armies that I don't view the game through the standpoint of one specific army, and aim to be fair/impartial in my opinions & comments. That said, I LOVE Stormcast as an army (particularly once I had an idea for how to customize the army hobby-wise) so never meant to disparage the army or anyone who plays it.

In the batrep you mention my goal was to highlight the areas of strength in the faction, not to tear them down but merely to highlight them to hopefully help players the community adjust to a new tome easier - I 100% agree with your comments about needing to adjust your perspective & tactics (and even lists) in response to new battletome or changes in the meta. One of the big goals of our channel is to help prepare those interested in tournament play in AoS, as learning opposing armies can be one of the biggest challenges when starting out - when I was starting there were almost no battle reports featuring the lists I would be seeing when going to events, so we wanted to help fill that gap.

Regarding my comments about Longstrikes and your comparison between them and Sentinels; I again did not mean anything as a complaint about the unit. Playing a similar roles, Longstrikes do outperform 30 Sentinels with power of Hysh, with Sentinels only matching or eclipsing them when considering Lambent Light (generally requiring a combination of 3 spellcasts - and we all know how reliable spells can be at times). I actually think Longstrikes are maybe even slightly harshly pointed for their fragility and weaknesses. All that said, I think the main thing I aimed to highlight with Longstrikes are their 'ease of use' for players to be aware of - there's almost no fail points in the application of their firepower when they're on the board. Regardless, in the end I think Longstrikes are completely fine as is.

The main point I did highlight as a potential concern was Thunderbolt Volley - I do think it is potentially too strong/problematic on my early experience with the army (I admittedly have only played 8 games with them now after the GT). Am I calling for its immediate removal or FAQ? Not at all, but I do think its worth highlighting as something the game designers should keep a close eye on - it is very strong. Again, I'd say the same thing of the Sentinels ability to ignore LoS - I play no favorites!

In the end, I just wanted to clarify my comments to avoid any unintended derogatory sentiment towards the army - so I hope you know that I do not hate the army nor want it to be nerfed into the ground or any such thing. In addition (lol) I've got nothing but love and appreciation for your time and consideration of our content!

 

13 hours ago, PJetski said:

Yes the Incantor is a key unit any time you're not trying to play for an alpha strike

Jordans list is (imo) a worse version of Hallowstrike

Hey Paul!

As Chronos first said the Incantor is a great unit and was a strong consideration for the list, to explain my choice and respond to your - justified - thoughts on the list overall its worth considering the context of my choices for the event itself:

- This was a small GT (sub 30 players) with what I expected to be a HEAVY Destruction/Combat presence (indeed 10/26 were destro with another 8 being nearly pure combat armies). Good reasons to go Stormkeep/Hallowed Knights.
- Of those there were 4 SoB players, and I knew to expect at least 2 of the players bringing them to be fighting on top tables. I fought and beat 1, but didn't get the chance to play Yury who won the event. Further good reasons for Stormkeep/Hallowed Knights.
- I expected very few 'Magic Dominant' armies, and also knew the venue had lots of LoS block terrain, so I had little fear of casters picking off Gardus or my other heroes early.

With all those in mind I felt the Arcane tome Relictor would replace the Knight Incantor well as a caster for Celestial blades/mystic shield, and I didn't 'NEED' the auto-unbind. Additionally the Relictor brought the 2+ Bless Weapons prayer, and the extended range as another potential hero from which to trigger Thunderbolt Volley. In the context of this event the second Lord Relictor definitely felt like he provided more value - and in hindsight it was definitely the right decision based on my matchups!

In large part, Stormkeep was also the right call and provided much more value to me/my games than Scions would have (which I think is predominantly the better choice at larger/more varied events).

Also worth noting that prior to list submission I had played 1 game with SCE (the one vs IJ) where I wasn't forced to rely on many dominion units because of my limited collection. I wouldn't claim its a masterful list that can podium at any event - missions and matchups in the final rounds are SO impactful in AoS 3 as Stormkeep does have some significant weaknesses.

All in all, I think it was definitely the right list for the event, and I had a blast playing it - I hope I was able to shed some light on its perceived faults!

Anyways, cheers - keep up the awesome content!

- Jordan