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8 minutes ago, Sleboda said:
Interesting side note from my days in GW trade sales.
Our mantra (one of them) was "new customers are our life's blood." It's not unique to them, of course, and it's the most sensible thing to do - always be recruiting the next customer. New ones are totally untapped. That's all new money, unlike most vet customers.
How would u translate this mantra to warhammer+ and the apps? I can honestly not see how this is catering to newer costumers over veterans. They are clearly trying to get money from people who already spent a fortune on their armies and have supported GW for years already. Making veterans feel appreciated and valued also translates to better sales imo. Most of the time they are the ones getting the new customers into the hobby.
23 minutes ago, Sleboda said:Have you seen all those annoying child-things people keep popping out at every increasing rates?
People like me also have annoying child things now and if they chase away the parents it will also influence their business right? Cant be that good for business
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I also want to see some kind of summary in the app of what i have build so far. And maybe group together unit types. I also would like to see the allies not grouped together with the army u are building. Maybe the can shove them below the main army. It makes me scroll through al kinds of units i dont even own for no reason XD.
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7 minutes ago, Sleboda said:
I'm not skipping the rest of your thoughts as a slight. Much of what you said I think has merit, even if I don't agree with it personally. So, no offense meant for not going through the rest. If there's anything in there you would like to go into and talk about, I'm happy to revisit.
That said, I do want to examine the above thought. While I understand that we all place value on things differently, and may not find personal value in a given thing, I do have a hard time not seeing the objective value of W+. I mean, sure, I may never have any interest in a Harley Davidson motorcycle customized with an official Man U paint job, but I can still acknowledge that for people who like motorcycles and soccer, that's a nice bike that's probably well made and painted.
If a person doesn't place personal value in old White Dawrfs and other content, doesn't get into the well-produced (or at least produced in GW's style) battle report and painting video content, isn't a fan of animation, etc., then W+ may not appeal personally, but it doesn't make it a bad value.
To me, it's a great value. Then again, I subscribe to WD, Hulu, Tidal, Netflix, Amazon Prime/video, Disney+, Audible, and more. W+ gives me several things that none of the others do, and at a cost I consider trivial. For me it is subjectively a good value, and I assert that it is objectively one as well.
But that's wandering from the main point. If folks want to be evaluate the new AoS app (the subject at the top) that's great! Sharing opinions here is great, as well. What flummoxed me, as I've said, is anyone coming here and saying "new app is good!" only to immediately follow that with "but it's not good 'cuz I'd have to pay someone for the good thing they are offering to me."
It just. I mean. I.
I don't get that seeming duality.
I am sorry but who are u to judge peoples motivation for saying what they say. I also want to point out the timmy reference. I'm ok with defending my stance on what i think about a product and my reasoning behind it. But dont question my personal life. U dont know anything about me or others here. What u think is good value may differ from others. U have a bunch of subscriptions and some people just cant afford things like that. U also have your right to have your opinion.
That being said, this topic is about trying the app and we should get back to that part of the discussion. I think the app now is mediocre at best. So far i like the online army builder the best out of the 3 they made recently and it is by far the most low budget one. While the app shows all some promise it isnt there yet imo.
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1 hour ago, Sleboda said:
Let me get this straight.
W+ comes with:
Really nice, regular animated content.
High quality battle reports.
Next-level painting videos many have asked for for decades.
A free model, with option to get another.
Digital versions of out of print magazines and other material.
The 40K app.
All for $60/ year (or, just over the cost of a single physical Battletome).
Then, today, they add what pretty much everyone here is saying looks to be a really well done AoS app. They add this for all to try for free, giving us all a chance to 'try before you buy.'
And lots of you are moaning about it.
Man, I love this community a ton, but I can't recall a more entitled-feeling group.
Yes, Netflix and Disney+ have more video content, but they offer nothing else and cost more. It's not a valid comparison.
W+ is its own thing, and for the price the offering is really good. I can't believe how much some here feel like they are entitled to free stuff - stuff that cost a business to create, but somehow they are supposed to just give away. Give me a break.
To rephrase what I've read here:
"Wow, this is really good! It better be free or that will negate its goodness completely."
Sheesh.
Let me get this straight.
I have to pay more money than ever for a new battletome.
Pay for all kind of content that is available on youtube for free.
Warscrolls that used to be free for years.
Armybuilder that used to be free.
People asking for painting vids? Never heard of youtube?
Compare a few animations to netflix that has maybe thousands movies and series?
Putting new models behind a paywall and feed fomo?
Cant be negative towards this? (Could be forgetting some more reasons)
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5 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said:
Just to let people know, GW are doing a survey for this to get some feedback: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/3DSRJ8N?utm_source=WarhammerCommunity&utm_medium=Post&utm_campaign=TryOutWarhammerAgeofSigmarTheAppandtheStormForgeArmyList-buildingToolRightNowforFree15092021&utm_content=TryOutWarhammerAgeofSigmarTheAppandtheStormForgeArmyList-buildingToolRightNowforFree15092021
Feel free to to pass on any feedback you have but I would suggest rather than phrasing things like “paywall” try saying that you like having access to all the warscrolls now off the website or in the Azyr app. I can honestly say if you have your feedback in such a negative stance (for example, the app is okay but I hate the way you have put everything behind a paywall), the person reading the feedback will just see it as moaning rather than a genuine comment. It shouldn’t work that way but unfortunately it does. Im not excusing that but if you want a chance of seeing the warscrolls on the basic membership, I would suggest this plan of action. If enough people comment, it may help it.
From my experience with the app, I quite like it and it’s way better than the 40K one (even though it seems the same engine). Quite easy to pick up and use and all the info seems correct.
I will do this. Hope im not the only one XD.
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While it has been a fine quality of life thing that we could use free warscrolls for a few years we are going back to the age of books it seems. I dont see any reason to pay 55 euros a year to use an army building app i already have to buy the rules for. Pen and paper works just as fine. I guess i u really want a "free" model and also play 40k and u like to watch things that are free on youtube it could be worth your money.
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3 minutes ago, Joseph Mackay said:
Just to clarify for those who aren’t aware, this app appears to be built off the 40K app (layout and functionality appear almost identical)
the way the 40K app is ‘paywalled’ is as follows, and I expect AoS to be the same:
-free access to datasheets/warscrolls to see their stats (abilities however are locked).
-subscription to the app/Warhammer+ gives you access to all the rules for the existing books, points costs and the list builder.
-as a new book is released, the old one is removed. You can access the datasheets to see their stats (abilities however are locked) but need the code from a physical book to unlock the rules content (allegiance abilities, spells, full datasheets etc). You do NOT need a subscription to access the rules content for any books you have a code for, but will not be able to use the list builder without one.Warscrolls are useless without abilities. Doesnt really help anyone imo.
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4 minutes ago, Landohammer said:
So the 40k app let you have access to ALL rules released before the app came out. So as long as you have a warhammer+ sub, you should be able to see all rules for all battletomes other than Orruks and SCE.
Typically, with locked battletomes, you could only see the basic warscroll and the names of the special rules.
Whats strange about the AOS app is that you can currently see almost all of the SCE and Orruk special rules. Only a few things like artefacts, mount traits, and command traits are locked. This is probably an oversight or a beta perk. I imagine they will get locked again when it gets out of beta.
Could this mean that warscrolls stay free and the rest become locked. Like azyr was? I could be wrong, havent used azyr for a while. Rules behind a buying battletome wall and army building behind a warhammer+ wall.
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2 minutes ago, The Red King said:
I think its saying you DONT have to have a subscription to access the rules to the battletome you already paid for. A good thing but we'll see how much of the app stays locked even when you buy the books. It could easily be enough to make it not worth it if you don't pay. Built in inconvenience to market convenience is a well known strategy.
I dont know whats better. Paying for warhammer+ and get access to everything or having to buy all books for all armies so i can use the app. I guess we have to wait and see.
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So they double paywalled the digital rules? U need the battletome and warhammer +. Seems fair XD lol.
I do like the app so far. I can see things that could be still be improved but it runs smooth. At least on my phone and its not by any standards a new phone.
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Army Name: Bonesplitterz
Army Notes: Test
Army Faction: Orruk Warclans
Army Type: Bonesplitterz
Subfaction: Icebone
Battlepack: Pitched Battles
Points Limit: 1000 pts
General: Wurrgog Prophet
Grand Strategy: Hold the Line
Units
Wurrgog Prophet (General)
Battlefield Role: Leader
Command Traits: High Priest
Artefacts of Power: Amulet of Destiny
Spells: Glowy Green Tusks
Points Cost: 150 pts
Savage Orruks
Battlefield Role: Battleline
Points Cost: 165 pts
Savage Orruks
Battlefield Role: Battleline
Points Cost: 165 pts
Savage Big Stabbas
Battlefield Role: Other
Points Cost: 80 pts
Savage Orruk Arrowboys
Battlefield Role: Other
Points Cost: 145 pts
Skitterstrand Arachnarok (Ally)
Battlefield Role: Behemoth
Points Cost: 200 pts
Wardokk
Battlefield Role: Leader
Points Cost: 80 pts
Total Points: 985 pts
Valid: Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App
Used the clipboard function from the app for this. I needed to get used to seeing all allies in the list building options though.
I could use all the artifacts and spells but couldnt see the rules from the battletime artifacts and spells. They required me to buy the tome.
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Guess it will take a while to do this for all armies XD. Does anyone know a good Bonesplitterz tournament list so i can compare the 2?
I got these points from the generals handbook 2021 for now.
For the big stabbas i counted half a box because someone could build 2 big stabbas and 10 savage orruk from a box.With the new points.
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Found this on tournament lists but its a bit outdated.
https://ageofminiatures.com/warhammer-army-cost/
It tells us that on average the cost would be £350 for 56 models.
When i have some spare time i'll try to make an average cost list for an army. I wonder if it gets close to this guys conclusion. -
Changed up my first post and added some examples.
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1 hour ago, RuneBrush said:
There's quite a few variables involved because army composition can vary a huge amount. It's generally been accepted that the army with the lowest cost entry is Beastclaw Raiders because you only need to pick up a few start collecting boxes for it. FEC is probably one of the next armies for the same reason. Beyond that things tend to get a little more difficult because you gain less benefit from having multiples of the same unit.
I suppose the real question is are you looking for the most cost effective army to put on the tabletop, or are you doing this for some other reason?
I guess i'm just curious at this point. I started thinking about this when i started buying into 40k orks and noticed that i could buy 2 other armies by the time i get to 2000 points. Some armies are really more expensive than others. I guess i'm trying to figure out why and if its really true at all if calculated in a proper way.
Edit: I changed to first post a bit because my english is really bad
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4 minutes ago, Kadeton said:
I'm not sure there's much reason to do this in the general case, trying to get some kind of "points to cost" ratio for an entire faction. The cost that's relevant is for building a specific army that you might actually put on the battlefield - there's no use in knowing that a faction has a super-cheap option if it's one that nobody actually wants to field.
I'd start by tracking down some lists for tournament-level armies that have been performing well, and costing those out. Or, if you're thinking more along casual play lines, just writing up some thematic army lists that you'd like to actually paint and play, and tally those. Personally I'd include any Start Collecting or other boxed sets if they get you to your army list at a cheaper price than buying the relevant units individually.
That would be true if u are running a tournament list. I'm actually not interested in that part of the game. I am more a collector i guess thats plays a game of AoS or Warcry a few times a year. Also rules and faq updates can drastically change what would be a tournament list would cost for an army. Maybe an army average point to cost ratio would be the way to go.
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Hi all.
I am wondering what the points per "insert currency" ratio would be for all armies. Can any sources be found with information on this subject? My guess is that it'll be the most elite/ low model count army that will be most cost efficient but i could be wrong. Lets do some quick calculations.
The SoB are low model count but are around 350 euros for a mega gargant + 4 baby gargants gets around 1200 points. Ogor Mawtribes gets me a Stonehorn + 4x mournfang and 2x ironblaster for 165 euros and almost 1000 points. Bonesplitterz come in could buy me 40x savage orruks, 1x wurrgog, wardokk and big boss for 129 euros for 1000 points That makes SoB twice the cost of the Ogors. The Bonesplitterz are cheapest while also having the highest model count of the 3. So less models isnt everything in this case. So what does this mean?
I dont want to count Start Collecting boxes because they are more an added bonus if i already want to buy the contents. They are often changed or removed from the store and limits what i want to buy. I also dont want to include boxed sets like dominion for sure because those are limited runs. Lets just count normal unit purchaces for now.
I think adding all units from an army and getting a point to cost ratio doesnt represent what an avarage army would look like. Some armies have loads of characters that i'll never all buy. But i think an army avarage is the closest i can get.
How would u calculate the best point per "insert currency" ratio for an army? Help!
(I changed this post a bit because my english is really bad sometimes)
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For some reason i thinks its Soulblight, it looks kinda like batwings + gargoyle sword combo.
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I"ll get the 2 new ally Troggoths for sure. It will be fun playing some new troggoths just because i can. As a bonus i can also run them along gordrakk and some orruks. I like that they are giving destruction some more options. The release of Kragnos also shows that they intend to mix things up imo.
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12 minutes ago, Chikout said:
New Underworlds and Warcry stuff is getting announced at gencon this week. Nothing for AoS unfortunately. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/13/get-ready-for-a-grand-host-of-announcements-from-gen-con-2021/
Im actually excited for more warcry stuff!
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I like to buy the books for my main armies although i dont like the new prices at all. I like to read stuff about the armies i spend a lot of time on. But i did like the free warscrolls for using them as allies or just to browse them before buying into a new army. It would actually give me less motivation to buy models from an army i dont already own. I think i wont be the only one.
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Wouldnt i be to slow with a footslogging list + Gordrakk?
What do u all think about 30 savage orruks + marshcrawla for a +1 to hit + gordrakk + 2x 5 brutes?
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28 minutes ago, Malakree said:
I'd say all the kruleboyz stuff is solid atm. For ironjawz 10 Brutes with the -2 rend option and a warchanter will be your starting point, the warchanter is 100% whatever you do for the +2 Waaagh points.
Gordrakk is actually really solid in big Waaagh atm due to his CA multiplier being usable on destruction not just IJ.
I'd always recommend a wardokk to go with your wurrgog, it's a combo I absolutely love and have used extensively since the first warclans book dropped. It only got cheaper now which is awesome.
Allegiance: Big Waaagh!
- Grand Strategy:
- Triumphs:
Leaders
Wurrgog Prophet (170?) - General
Wardokk (85?)
Gordrakk the Fist of Gork (560)
Orruk Warchanter (115)
Total: 930 / 2000That gives you ~1100 points to fill out how you want. Your battleline options are gutripperz, savage orruks, orruk ardboys and orruk brutes.
Ardboys would be your "I want to spend as few points on battleline as possible."
A unit of 10 Brutes at 320 is scary as hell atm with a warchanter buff.
Savage orruks would be your hard to shift huge blocks.
Gutripperz are the slightly more expensive/threatening and less tanky large block.
I would probably recommend a start collecting ironjawz, that gives you the warchanter and 10 (5+5) ardboys which combined with your savage orruks is the battleline sorted and you get 3ggs aswell.
After that it's whatever you fancy
Thanks that is really usefull. What would u do with the weapon option of the 10 brutes? If i can i want to dodge buying older ork models, just because i already own these since fantasy and could really use something new and shiny for the army. How would u rate the undergrounds warband options?
Edit: Also would anyone mind if i use the old ork warboss bsb as a warchanter? Dont know the size difference to be honest.
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Can i ask someone how big a Warchanter is compared to the old big boss bsb? Does enyone own these 2 models? I want to try and run one as a Warchanter. Thanks!
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Please help me so i can focus on building a fun army for this edition. It doesnt need to be competitive, just a legal list thats not complete trash is fine. What would be the best thing to do with these models with the new rules? To be honest i dont really know where to go from here. What would u add to these models? I am thinking about adding a unit of Brutes because i think they look awesome. So that will probably put me in the big waaaghhh corner.
These are the models i own currently. I could also ally in almost any gloomspite gitz model.
Leaders:
1x Godrakk/ Boss on MK (needs to be included)
1x Wurrgog Prophet
1x Savage Big Boss
Units:
20x Savage Orruks with 1 or 2 units of Big Stabbas or 30x Savage Orruks. I was about to remodel these anyway so they can be any kind of Savage Orruk.
Thanks!
AoS 2 - Bonesplitterz Discussion
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Posted · Edited by Iksdee
What would Wurrgog spam look like in a 1000points list? This sounds like fun
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I am also wondering why i dont see anyone trying to spam morboy attacks in icebone? Are they to expensive or not mobile enough?