[AoS 2 - Daughters of Khaine Discussion]

9 hours ago, Sapca said:

"In case of Shadowhammer Compact this boils down to question:

Why would I play Shadowhammer Compact with half of an army unable to benefit from allegiance abilities, temples, buffs/spells and near zero synergies between DoK and SCE?

See all DoK Prayers, Unit Abilities and Spells that are buffs... require DoK Keyword to work and Battalions do not grant that under current rules apparently.

I hoped they change this Battalion to something like Idoneth have with Sylvaneth. Or change one of temples to include allies."

Thanks a lot for clarifying. Yes, that was the question i was asking basically, lol, pointless.

[AoS 2 - Daughters of Khaine Discussion]

42 minutes ago, Sapca said:

No, SCE units in battalion do not benefit from Allegiance abilities. It's also in DoK Designers Commentary.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/age_of_sigmar_daughters_of_khaine_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf
 

You get:

1) Liberators cont as Battleline so you have 4 (2x Liberators, 2x WE's)

2) All SCE listed in Battalion do not count into Allies points (but they are considered allies). So you have 400 points left, even Gotrek if you wished.

3) Battalion's CA works on Battalion SCE units (but not allied SCE units*).

 

Sadly ShadowhammerCompact is crazily priced at 170 and has huge required list that really limits how to build it. Minimum is 1030 points even with massive SCE point reductions.

Funny thing possible now is to have Morathi and Celestant-Prime(ally) in this list tho and you have 190 points left. Enough for Medusa/Hag to carry Temple ability (Khailebron / HaggNar) and maybe extra 90 of Prosecutors/Khinerai.

Khailebron temple, teleport/shift Morathi and mindrazor and drop Prime then shove them into thing(s) preferably in a way that getting to Prime goes trough Morathi.  Hope they kill and block enough so your small units get objectives and do enough shooting damage with SHC command. Unfortunately Prime is not eligible target for Command Ability as Ally. Khinerai can drop to objectives or help blocking Prime from counter attack (also look out sir works).

PS. Prime in DoK army can be interesting due +1 bravery to everyone and -2 bravery to enemies when dropped in combination with Mindrazor. But he works better as mobile artillery support with Cauldron due stacking with Avatar bravery. And in non Shadowhammer list )

Also, Sword Liberators seem less ****** - The Withering adds +1 to Wound so they become 3+/3+ or 2+/3+ against bigger things. Where Hammers would be 4+/2+ or 3+/2+ (Swords are tiny bit better in this case)

EDIT:  fixed points, added info.

Q: Do the Stormcast Eternals in a Shadowhammer Compact battalion benefit from the bonuses that apply to any temple of Khaine that the army belongs to? A: No. These units only benefit from allegiance abilities if they have the appropriate keyword – see ‘4. Allegiance’ on page 68 of the Battletome.

I assume this is what you are refering too? I was under the impression, if a battalion has an associated army allegiance(above what it is called) then all units in that battalion gain that army keyword, i guess this says, that is wrong? (sorry to make you clarify)

[AoS 2 - Daughters of Khaine Discussion]

With the shadowhammer compact battalion, can the stormcast in that battalion use temple abilities if you have selected DOK as your allegiance(which grants the stormcasts "Daughters of Khaine" keyword from the battalion and the temples rules states that all warscrolls and battalions in a DOK army gain the temples keyword also. Or have i misread rules?