EonChao

April 5

1 hour ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

Recognizing that something is wrong even if you are not personally affected is the essence of morality. Not sure what point you are making here.

Here, I 100% buy that 90% of the people upset are genuinely so, but there's definitely going to be people out there, especially content creators and idiots looking for a reaction that will be putting on a show to rile up response through negativity. The 90% thing they were saying is a major over estimate but that part of the online space does sadly exist. Honestly my immediate reaction to the news was how many Youtube videos attacking GW by people who barely mention AoS most of the time will be clogging up my feed.

2 minutes ago, Jagged Red Lines said:

You can't run a full army of savage orcs, no. I was hoping they'd do something like that for the arcane journal, but they didn't in the end.

I even interpreted the lack of a 100% savage orc faction in the arcane journal as an indication that bonesplitterz would be around, and I bought 200 quid worth of bonesplitterz a couple of weeks back.

I intend to run them exclusively for the next year and podium a few times with them, as a final ****** you to GW.

I know this is going to come off as sarcastic but it's meant entirely genuinely, I really hope you do, and that if possible you enter them into any painting competitions, armies on parade etc that you can. Best thing to do is to keep GW aware of what they've done in hopes that if there is a plan for something similar to take their place down the line, that they see there's a market for them. Sadly I only currently have Hedkrakka's Mob but I'll be certainly getting them painted up and posted on socials later this year and hoping a few of the kits get picked up for TOW so I can grab a few to do the same with.

Just now, Vaellas said:

If I recall as well before Errant Questor was also a Warhammer World only model that used to be on their WW specials shelf. He also had a terrible hair cut that made him look like Dwayne Dibley.

I can never un-see that now. Justifies the entire range deletion to help me never see one again

April 4

20 minutes ago, PJetski said:

I never really understood the Sacrosanct Chamber concept. They guard the Anvil of Apotheosis, but there is only one Anvil so why does every Stormhost have a Sacrosanct Chamber? How many guards does it need?

Look it's a very big anvil in an even bigger palace with lots of corridors to defend.

But seriously, I always figured it's more about them rehabilitating those Stormcast who are reforged, helping them come to terms with the changes to themselves, hence why each Stormhost has its own chamber. They also bring down those that come back wrong

1 minute ago, Magnusaur said:

I really don't see any direct replacement of made-for-AoS kits in the near future, like Fyreslayers. Flesh-Eaters got the new Cryptguard which could have easily been a replacement of the basic ghouls, but now the two co-exist. Like literally every other range except Stormcast, their range isn't bloated beyond belief.

Yeah, I think if anything goes between now and 5th it'll be with a direct replacement. They know they can't do this too often so this is their big pr blow for this edition.

April 4

1 hour ago, Ejecutor said:

Do you mean the one with the Griph-hound that is a UW warband? I think that's the only thing outside of the Soul Wars sprue that sold them, which IMO wouldn't be considered a unit box.

You have it the wrong way around, it was originally released as a regular release first, shortly after 2nd ed launched in 2018, as a wave of easy to build kits for Stormcast. There was Astreia Solbright, the Celestar Ballista, a trio of Sequitors and the Castigators with Gryph-Hound.

Later on they were repackaged in late 2021, after 3rd ed had started, in a Warhammer Underworlds starter set.

April 4

2 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

We've been talking about hints about BoC and BS, but to be fair I think the Sacrosanct also had a hint about them coming with an expiry date and it is the Castigators. Some months ago I was thinking about how would they manage Castigators for the new edition. They were a weird unit that was only available in the big boxes. Without them having a lonely box it could mean that the Sacrosanct came with an expiry date indeed.

Castigators come in units of 3 and were released in an easy to build box back at the start of 2nd that is, in theory, still available if out of stock right now. That was the main way to get them outside of the starters (which came with the wrong number in Soul Wars), the same as Glaivewraiths and Myrmourn, both of which are also still available.

April 4

2 minutes ago, Scáthborn said:

Maybe some sort of Bug-like beastmen, they could be really quiet too...

Honestly there's room for two more factions in Destruction for me. Beasts who destroy civilisation and Bugs who destroy the self through parasitism would both fit really well.

April 4

1 minute ago, Ejecutor said:

Would be weird if they released them because they were needed due to NH infestation. Now that's sorted, get back to the headquarters.

Another ghost problem? Who you gonna call? Sacrosant Chamber!

It would feel terrible. They are not the Ghost Busters. Also, if you put them back, you should put every option they had, at least, right? I have the feeling, after thinking about it calmly, that they are not coming back ever. They would just be the dudes that help with the reforge.

I have the feeling BOC could take the next spot from TOW releases as a way to calm down the waters.

They're demon fighters as well, so plenty of reasons to bring them back. Heck we could get a completely new mystical focused destruction faction that also requires their attention. Or maybe the Sacrosanct chambers redeploy to capture new realmstone deposits that hold the key to partially stablising reforging. Or there's that big a push from the forces of Chaos that it requires every stormcast to be sent out to hold it back.

April 4

11 minutes ago, GloomkingWortwazi said:

It would be a nice opportunity to bring a new flavour of Destruction while giving a centaur/satyr/etc. aesthetic a fresh coat of paint and a whole new lore runway. Especially with that design space now essentially opened.

Honestly Beasts fit Destruction as a faction better than Chaos. I'd be on board with them moving grand alliance narratively, breaking free from the yoke of Chaos to run wild across the realms tearing down everything and returning it back to the wilderness

April 4

1 minute ago, Snarff said:

That's not a full solution though. Armies are not just models, they have a distinct playstyle and feel to them.

And the game is nowhere near close to stagnating. We had huge releases in 3rd.

And all of these models being removed will have support in 4th ed through online battletomes so they can continue to be played with their distinct style and feel, and if that changes in the future there's nothing stopping people from writing their own fan tomes to keep them functioning in future editions too.

April 4

27 minutes ago, Hollow said:

We are fundamentally different in how we see miniature purchases and what GW as a company should be expected to do in regard to "support". You have approached super niche esoteric armies and are acting "surprised Pikachu face" that they aren't getting full support? Also, how are any of these projects "dead"? you are clearly motivated by the lore, background and modelling opportunities for these projects. You can easily convert, model, paint and proxy any of those aforementioned projects and would be actively encouraged to do so by all. What's the problem?

For some people what is "officially" supported is the only thing that's valid. It's a limiting view but one that can be hard to shake.

27 minutes ago, Pizzaprez said:

Bad news: I like them a lot and already own two boxes. I'd keep an eye out for the worst version of the "duardin soup" lol

Ogor players getting a new hot pot type weapon would be a win though

14 minutes ago, Flippy said:

I generally agree, but please take into consideration that for many people (especially new players) the distinction between "core" and "niche" is not that obvious and certainly not communicated clearly by GW. Bonesplitterz were niche, sure - but BoC were hardly niche. Are Ogor Mawtribes niche now? Were Aeldari Harlequins niche?

Maybe it would help if GW openly stated that some armies are here to stay forever and some are temporary only with guaranteed 10-years support.

The problem is that's potentially a promise they can't keep. Companies don't like to make commitments beyond a year or two out.

I collect Transformers figures and we know most of the main Transformers figures being released in 2025 due to leaks but Hasbro won't confirm or deny that on any level because it can effect spending on, but also because things change at short notice. According to the leaks for this year we should have G1 Sureshot on preorder now, but for some reason behind the scenes he's slipped off the release schedule to a future date. If Hasbro had confirmed the leaked list with him on that we got last year and then whatever happened to push him into 2025 still happened it would make them look bad and erode confidence.

That's the result of the collision of the cutthroat world of late stage capitalism and the chasing views approach on the content creator size. GW likely know what every planned release for 4th ed is and what factions will be in the 5th launch box already but to start to talk about will both draw attention away from what they're currently promoting as well as potentially frustrate fans when a promised update is further away than they think it is.

18 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

Be mad and post insults at GW on TGA about it ? Very uncool, you shouldn't do that.

Companies don't deserve our unquestioned support. People should never lash out at employees but the company itself should be completely fair game for anger and frustration. I'm on the side of people should keep cooler heads over this but if they can't help but be frustrated then the faceless company is exactly where the should be directed at.

April 4

7 minutes ago, GrimDork said:

This is why GW should not solely focus on one faction for starter boxes, they have to bring out new sculpts/units every 3 years, artificially bloating the range. Then they need a cull. At least for SCE proxies of old minis should be pretty straightforward. At least GW have given plenty of notice.

Sorry to those whose armies have been squatted tho🙁 Hope you can have at least a bit of fun for the next year. At least they're giving them rules for 4.0.

Wonder what it will mean for the Warcry units in Warcry?

For Warcry it means they'll probably keep the pdf rules for the current edition but not see active support in terms of availability. When the next rules update comes out for Warcry it'll be anyone's guess what happens though

7 minutes ago, Hollow said:

The fact that AoC already has Tzaangors and Slaangors in Disciples and Hedonites makes me hopeful that we will see Pestigors and Khorngors for Maggotkin and Blades.

With the new rules for how armies and built. Having a single Beast character and a god thematic unit in each of the mono-god books would allow for a Beast Regiment to be taken.

This is why I'm convinced they'll be back. The Beasts have a visible presence within the setting. through Slaangor and Tzangors. Khorngors and Pestigors are easy design space to fill for BoK and Maggotkin. And as a faction there's plenty of room for creativity. They'll be back eventually under a different name

2 minutes ago, Gareth 🍄 said:

The one that genuinely surprises me is the Sacrosanct Chamber going. I know there's been a lot of Stormcast stuff with more on the way, but I can't say I expected a whole Chamber to be cut and so soon after it was released.

Honestly it makes sense, do pdf rules for the chambers not the focus of the current narrative to allow them to be played and keep them relevant, then update their models in a few years time when you want them to be in the focus and need to release some new Stormcast models with a new edition. That way they can keep things like the Ruination and Logister chambers as being more elite focused whilst simultaneously avoiding rules bloat

April 4

1 hour ago, Snarff said:

Wonder which models are next on the chopping block if GW is axing stuff this hard.

I guess all the WFB subfactions/old WFB models are ready to be cannibalized back into TOW.

So Spiderfang, Dispossessed, all the old Dark Aelves in CoS. Maybe Beastclaw Raiders as well? The longer it takes for a faction to get a refresh, the more in danger they are.

Anything not getting the chop now is probably safe for the edition. If it's going before 5th then it's going to be because it gets replaced by an equivalent in an update.

9 minutes ago, Garrac said:

You guys here having cool discussions, and I still can't get over the fact that GW won't retire the monkey ninjas any time soon... GW... why... im gonna get mad... and sad... whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...

Little known fact, the monkey ninjas are central to the Skaven propeganda that they don't exist. "Rat ninjas? No the Lord Regent was most definitely assassinated by monkey ninjas."

5 minutes ago, michu said:

Sacrosanct is not going to be replaced

Yet, Sacrosanct is almost certainly going to be replaced in the future, just not in 4th edition.

1 minute ago, Ragest said:

I think they are showing just the cutoffs until 2025, that's why delves, dwarves, old ogors and such are missing

If Duardin were going and there was this whole beef between AoS and TOW studios, it'd be now. They're the next faction getting released for TOW and there will be crossover of kits. I think they get replaced by new kits in the next Cities update.

Ogors will likely get an update in the new edition with the old kits getting replaced then. Delves I'm less certain about the future of but I'm sure they aren't going anywhere until a future Cities update or Malerion arrives.

April 4

I'm kind of shocked by the extent of the Stormcast range being removed, mainly because I really like the Sacrosanct sculpts but not the Vanguard ones and they're the ones that survived! That said I'm fine with getting Legends rules for them, I mainly play casually and I've no problem with playing against or using Legends stuff, plus the models will still look good on my shelf. Gonna have to weigh up if there's any characters I need to pick up from the 1.0 range to round out my collection but I think the main things, Paladins, Judicators etc will be getting updates in the new edition. The big kicker is the Errant Questor as he's been out of stock every time I've gone to Warhammer World in the last few years so I've not been able to grab one.

The Beasts of Chaos thing is depressing. I'm still of the belief that they have a future in AoS, but it's just further out than 4th edition, but it's still sad to see them go. I might need to pick up the Herdstone if I can as it's the coolest piece of faction terrain in the range. I could see the Bonesplitters making a return in future too, either as part of Ironjawz or their own thing but they clearly need a bigger update than there's room for in 4.0 alongside other factions.

Skaven wise I suspect most of those things will get replaced in 4th anyway, with a few being held back to get redone through Warcry or future editions.

The Warcry one is the biggest blow to me though, they're just really neat models. At a guess I'd say the Horns of Hashut will be coming back alongside the Chaos Duardin, they're the only 2.0 band removed. I had plans for a few boxes of Spire Tyrants and Corvus Cabal so I might have to pull the trigger on them before anything else though.

For those talking about Ogors, I think they're safe. We just had the Gorgers get released and if they were going to give them the chop it would be this edition. They also make sense, now Bonesplitters are gone as the main Destruction faction to give some love to for 4th. The Spiderriders and Arachnok not being removed does give me some hope for some Spiderfang love in the near future too.

April 4

1 hour ago, Aeryenn said:

I see your point. I still think there should be more than one poster boy but I'm not the one pulling the strings.

Do we actually have some checked data on how SCE are really popular? That info would still be corrupted by how hard GW pushes them but I'm just curious.

Most companies don’t get into specifics like this outside of internal meetings but the fact that we’re 10 years into AoS (development wise) and GW are putting effort into modernising the older Stormcast figures means that they must have the numbers to back up their popularity. Companies don’t usually continue to back failing products that heavily.

Whether that popularity is down to them being pushed or their being pushed is because they’re popular is a moot point now. At the end of the day AoS is outperforming what WFB did and part of that will be down to its most visible faction selling well.

Just remember though, unlike Space Marines this is probably it for Stormcast in 4th. They might get stuff in Warcry, Underworlds and during the end of edition narrative but unlike 40K, some of the other factions get to flourish for the rest of the edition.

3rd gave us decent sized updates for Sylvaneth, Seraphon, Cities of Sigmar, Slaves to Darkness, Nighthaunt, Flesh-Eater Courts, Gloomspite and Orruks, that’s a third of the factions in the game. I get not being a fan of Stormcast but there’s also certainly going to be plenty to come in the next few years, and part of that is down to the success of the Stormcast drawing people in

April 3

21 minutes ago, pnkdth said:

How is that the same thing? I don't keep tabs on release dates but for the most part WHFB models which has been replaced is a fair bit older, no? Most of the new-ish sculpts have remained in factions like CoS too.

New units are fun. Barely indistinguishable units are not. I guess it depends on the level of investment and/or willingness to seeing you army replaced in a fairly short amount of time. I think it more realistic to expect them to keep the "firstborn" SCE while pushing the sales of the units. GW very rarely resolve internal balance re-shuffling internal balance in a way that's customer friendly.

I mean, I definitely hope the old models remain relevant for those who does not want to buy a new army but, again, it seems very out of character for GW to incentivise using old models while releasing brand new ones.

Whereas Primaris marines are different from firstborn from an enhanced biology standpoint, the Thunderstrike Stormcast are just wearing new armour that by lore is designed to help their souls return to Azyr upon death, as justification for better proportions in models. These are just Stormcast Liberators like the old models so players can continue to use the older bulkier models or these with the same rules

April 3

19 minutes ago, Flippy said:

Couldn't care less. I don't really get the universal appeal of these starter boxes - they only make sense if you want to actually start a new army. As for the good guys that could potentially replace SCE in a box... for now it would have to be either CoS or Lumineth (if GW would decide to push the Vanari vibe more and sideline the ~~nonsense~~ Aelementiri).

People like feeling like they're getting a good deal. With the launch boxes, for a reasonable price, you get two decent starting points for two armies that you know are going to get some love in the next few months with lots of hot new kits. Those might not both be your preferred choices for armies but with the hype around the new edition, if you're vaguely interested in one then you're likely to consider that enough to pick up the box and either resell/start collecting the other half. And that's part of the reason for having a consistent "hero" faction. If I'm getting into AoS in 3rd edition and just brought Dominion then I have a nice little force of both Stormcast and Kruleboyz. 4th ed comes along with a Stormcast vs Skaven launch box, and I'm already starting to picture how I'll use half of that box when I've not even seen the models and at some point I'll build and paint the Skaven half.

Now for some people, mainly those with a stable interest in the hobby and a focus on a few specific factions, those boxes are rarely going to hit the mark. But they're also not the target demographic for them. If you only collect Soulblight then the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th ed starters and launch boxes won't hold much interest for you. But if the 5th ed box is a big faction update for them... well you might consider buying it and figuring out what to do with the Stormcast later.

April 3

1 hour ago, Beliman said:

A new large range of new miniatures every 3 years means a lot of miniatures for just one faction. Just remember that AoS is a game with lot's of factions, some of them were removed in the first or even in the second purge, others are micro-armies inherited for early AoS philosophy, others are just waiting to be renewed and there are rumours that other armies are going to be cut from the game with a new 3rd purge. That's somethig that needs to be adressed and starter sets are the best way to deal with that.

I get the point that a "starter box" needs to have an easy to pain/ play army, but any long-term box (updated after 5 or 6 years after a new SCE renovation) or something like that would be enough for new players.

I mean aside from updating older sculpts to the new Thunderstrike style, plus the odd new unit, we're probably reaching a stable point for Stormcast similar to what Space Marines had from 2nd-7th edition. I think they'll get more as time goes on but it'll be much more restrained compared to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd launches. Even with 8th and 9th edition adding a lot of new Marines, 10th was incredibly restrained with mainly updates to existing models. Take away the new Terminators, Sternguard and characters and they got a new Apothecary type, a "new" Dreadnought, and a single new infantry unit. Tyranids on the other hand got both new exciting things, updates to resin kits, and the return of long removed weapon options.

From what we've seen in the trailer it looks like the 4oS launch is mainly updating older Stormcast units to Thunderstrike with a few new units and characters for the Ruination chamber, and the Skaven are get a similar update to Tyranids in terms of scope then that's ideal. We keep the Stormcast relevant to help attract new players and a neglected faction gets its long over due glowup

April 3

1 hour ago, Sarouan said:

That's true for every game made in the world, actually.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the future, when Warcry is no longer supported, groups of players growing up with it will keep maintaining the rules online and playing it because they had such fun with it, just like Mordheim. It's a generation thing.

There are CCGs that were discontinued decades ago that still get fan made expansions released online, and even within the Warhammer Studio itself, old games are kept alive by the people working there on their own time (Inquisitor 28 is great example of this). As long as you have something that vaguely resembles the rules, something to use as models/terrain/cards, then there's nothing stopping you from continuing to enjoy the games you love long after they're no longer available.

April 3

On 3/31/2024 at 11:35 PM, Asbestress said:

Judging from some of the store Facebook posts, the surviving cities should get their own colour schemes and icons designed by the local community (at least for the 2 Vienna stores).
Whether this will be the case for all cities, or if this is just something a few stores are doing to expand on the event is still up in the air though.

And judging by some of the city names posted here, most names seem to be generated from a pre-existing list (i.e.: Astrid's Eyrie and Astrid's Gate, The Last Eyrie, Last Gate and Last Chance)

So this will most likely have very little impact for most us (maybe some cities some writers take a liking to may end up on maps as generic points of interest/ or as little lore blurbs), but so much cool hobby stuff has gone undocumented in the past that I thought it would be nice to have a little collage of what happened.

Thanks for starting the thread. And that was my main thought too, there's so many lost little ideas in the fandom that something like this really does deserve to be catalogued as both a record of the hobby for future people to look back at when trying to remember and a resource of locations and names to help us populate the backgrounds to our armies and campaigns.

The stores cities I've looked into are:
Birmingham (UK) - Gheist's Isle (no realm) defended by the freeguilds of Griffin Peak lead my High Marshal Grimwing against the Green Horde of Durlak da Destroya

Burton-Upon-Trent (UK) - Zennigan's Chance (Chamon) floating city built in a region known as God's Hoard

Coventry (UK) - Bastian's Vale (Ghyran) settling in a valley previously inhabited by a colony of Flesh-Eater Courts ghouls and claimed by the Hammers of Sigmar led by Bastian Carthalos

Derby (UK) - Goblet Gate (no realm)

Dudley (UK) - Marona's Glimmering (Shyish)

Leicester (UK) - Zennigan's Magna (possibly Ghur based on their poll)

Loughborough (UK) - Bastian's Rock (no realm)

Manchester (UK) - no city named so far

Nottingham (UK) - no city named so far

Nuneaton (UK) - no city named so far

Sheffield (UK) - Firestrike Rock (no realm)

Wigan (UK) - no city named so far

Wolverhampton (UK) - Callous Gate (no realm)

April 1

I got the latest delivery recently. Hadn’t had a chance to go through it until now but the back of issue 58 features a bunch of upcoming models, most known but the ‘ard Boyz are 10 of the new ones which is nice to have confirmed

March 27

28 minutes ago, Crypt said:

Belakor was made a demon prince by the powers of the big 4 they own his soul and he failed them hes punished for eternity which is why he takes his anger out on each ever chosen making sure they all fail aka archaon.( difference with archaon is he didnt sell off his soul)

I really hope the horned rat does not acctually ascended to actual god hood it just wouldnt make sense the big 4 allowing another rival to appear and is a massive change to the lore to come out of nowhere. The skaven rat is better suited to be a 2nd rate chaos god scheming and plotting to maybe claw their way up to that big 4 lvl imo. But thats just my 2 cents.

Nah, that's the kind of mentality that eventually stagnates the setting. GHR is effectively already the 5th Chaos God, having it force it's way to being on the same level of the other four would disrupt the flow of the great game and potentially spiral other story threads off from it now that the status quo of the four has been forever changed. It'll be a net positive narratively for Grand Alliance Chaos with no real change overall.

March 27

43 minutes ago, Grungnisson said:

Apparently, we're getting the Assassin as the next special pack.

That's an odd choice but a welcome one as I'd been meaning to pick up one of those for a future project

March 27

3 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said:

Has anybody heard anything about the Vanguard boxes? Do we know if they are just going to be rebranded or have the contents changed?

I believe that like 40k they're getting rules for Spearhead at the launch of the new edition, but being replaced as new books come out:

As well as updates to Matched Play and Path to Glory, the new edition of Warhammer Age of SIgmar is accompanied by Spearhead, a fresh game mode that plays in an hour or less using the contents of each faction’s Spearhead and Vanguard boxes.

I can't remember where they said that each faction would get a Spearpoint box but I'm sure they have (and it makes sense from a branding point of view).

March 27

11 hours ago, Deakz28 said:

It’s paint or build on the muster cards since they’re on their twice it’s 1pt build a leader 1pt paint a leader etc, or at least that how my store is doing it

FWIW the cards we had said build and paint. Obviously stores will do it in a way they can get away with that is in the spirit of the campaign whilst promoting engagement. Like if I were running a store I might say built and primed is half a point, painted is the other half, and then if people are struggling with painting emphasis games to get them engaged. But the staffers will know how best to do that

7 hours ago, GloomkingWortwazi said:

Regarding the in-store event, my local posted the below a few days back:

And they have been doing a daily worldbuilding thing to determine the details of the city, like the realm, location in the realm, description of the terrain, etc. while they build an in store board to match it.

Quoted below to not absorb too much post space:

That’s really cool, thanks for sharing

March 26

1 minute ago, Ejecutor said:

I had only one chance to go to the store, so I envision it as at least having to go twice in that period. And on the painting side... during the last 3 months I basically put out of the sprue, mounted and did some green stuff touches to some scenery. And I didn't prime it all yet It is not like I have too much time. I was hoping it was something like I go to the store, they teach me how to play, I play a game and I get the coin.

Very fair, I figure if I can get most of the painting done over the next month or two then I only need to play one or two games in store to do the rest but it's obviously geared up towards those who spend a lot of time on the hobby. Hopefully there's plenty of spare coins going around that you can get later on

March 26

2 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

Argh. I thought it was a one-time thing to get the coin... I don't think I would be able to get the Malleus then

I mean obviously it depends on your own work load but you have 3 months to do enough of those things to earn the coin for what it's worth. I'm using it as an excuse to work through my Daughters of Khaine in my pile of unmade stuff rather than buying much too.

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