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32 minutes ago, kenshin620 said:
If people got angry at the bretonnia/tomb king thing, writing out Undivided Chaos I think would have actually killed AoS and we'd all be playing 9th age.
Plus as seen by Chaos 8.5, they clearly love undivided chaos. When they put their mind to it! (now if only imperial guard/astra militarum werent hamstrung by old plastic infantry...)
Then again it is funny how "opposite" 7-8th edition WFB is compared to AoS for chaos armies.
In WFB, they separated mortals, beasts, and daemons (outside of Tamurkhan) and there was ZERO incentive to run Mono-God armies. You'd have Tzeentch 5++ warriors being flanked by khorne knights and a slaanesh giant hitting as fast as sonic the hedgehog!
Now in AoS, not only are mono-god armies the main way to play, but people are complaining they can't play Mono-Daemon or Mono-Mortal without missing out on parts of the army!
Customers are fickle aren't we
I personally prefer the model where each god has their own book and theme. It always felt cheesy and bugged me when its all about cherry picking the best mix mark units and bringing them together (the internal balance was always ****** too). That said, he mortals have always interested me more than the demons and right now Slaves and Everchosen are what brings that fantasy together (Blades of Khorne is brilliant, but Khonre isn't my preferred allegiance).......I was really wanting Hedonites of Slaanesh to build in the mortals side of the army a little more that would have been perfect from my perspective. Unfortunately, the book is basically dedicated to Demons with door only slightly ajar for Mortals (clearly an afterthought).
At the end of the day we all have a slightly different 'perfect' and its interesting reading what everyone wants.......
For me....
1 book per god (no undivided faction). Each has entries and supporting rules for both mortals and demons, they can then restrict the interactions between units within the theme/rules of each book. There can exist generic units across books i.e. Chaos Warriors........whats funny though is that they did a great job with Khorne and Nurgle (theme wise) but IMO have dropped the ball with Slaanesh.
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47 minutes ago, kenshin620 said:
So are CSM to CSM! But they've had to put up with their old kit from 3rd edition to technically the first half of 8th! Methinks GW is slightly allergic to generic chaos. (and the Cultist issue but thats a gameplay thing)
Well could be worse. Could be slaanesh mortals...that don't exist/piggy backing off of the eventual everchosen update!
I guess only GW knows what is coming and all we can do is share our hopes and dreams haha. I agree that generic Chaos is in a strange place now that each God has their own fleshed out book in many ways. That said, if they dislike it they should have done a better job fleshing out mortals in some of the other books and then ditched the whole Slaves to Darkness/Everchosen concept as in theory it would not be needed.
Honestly I am actually surprised they didn't do this. For example the whole Darkoath Viking theme would have been a perfect fit in Khorne. Slaanesh just needed a few more mortal entries so you could build the whole Sigvald foot-slogging mortal themed army. Nurgle is already well fleshed out and Tzeentch could do the same as Slannesh and add a few more generic mortal entries into the book. Half those additional entries could use duel kit for new warriors and lords and the rest would be faction specific entries as required. That is how I would have gone about it, but that isn't the case so give use new Genric units......I am ready to paint 30 new Chaos Warriors haha.
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4 minutes ago, kenshin620 said:
I think those would get rolled into one. Packed in a box of 5 like blightkings/skullreapers.
While I would also love new dynamic chaos warriors, it's so hard to tell GW's AoS policy on replacing plastic figures. Yes, CSM finally got the update they needed, but AoS wise GW has been very reserved. You got the Night Goblin Fanatics, and thats basically kind of it for the past few years. Especially since at a minimum theres all the plastic kits from Warcry (6 warbands) and I'd imagine at least plastic chosen/vanguard.
Then again somehow we're getting plastic Necromunda characters. Thats usually FW's job.
To me Chaos Warriors are the backbone of this army and without new sculpts it will feel disappointing regardless of the other changes we get. Have no issues with them sharing a kit with vanguard or something as it would make sense. Do not even mind merging Chaos Lords into Varanguard heroes etc......but pleasee GW if you watching give use new Chaos Warrior sculpts!!!
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On 5/17/2019 at 5:55 AM, Shankelton said:
Same here. Chaos warriors hooked me on this hobby.
Personally I'm hoping the STD update brings new Chosen in all their glory. Not much for the conan aesthetic, but it's good enough that I'll deal with it so long as my commanders keep that look.
I just cant wait for archeon to come back into the story. I dig his lore in a big way, and chaos undivided in general.
Let me look like Sauron, bowing to a bigger Sauron, or let me die.
For me its all about Archaon, Chaos Warriors, Chosen, Knights and I guess now the Varanguard.........basically an elite army of Chaos Mortals like the good old days. Yes, it is still possible to do now......However, the rules need a major refresh and my Chaos Warriors/Chosen just look tired compared to all the amazing new models - Chaos Warriors also feel too small.
It wouldn't surprise me if they ditched Chaos Lords in favor of Varanguard equivalents
My list would be:
Expecting
- New Chaos Warriors
- New Chosen Warriors 'or' Varanguard Warriors (Varanguard would make more sense) - share a kit with Chaos Warriors?
- Varanguard Mounted Lord
- Darkoath - Maruader type kits (foot/horses)
- Darkoath Lord mounted on Chariot
Wishing
- Varanguard Lord on foot (40k version with the hammer looks bad-ass)
- Varanguard Lord riding twin-headed dragon
Dreaming
- Alternative Archaon (either on foot or horse)
- Hellcannon
Note: Warriors need to get the Primaris Marine treatment and become a little bigger IMO
The whole viking thing is great, but i have never really liked the whole mass unit of Marauders concept. I have just always been drawn to heavy armored superior warriors that are always out numbered but somehow hold the line even when down to only a few warriors left......with the might of Chaos Lords and Chosen grinding their way through the toughest of foes. It used to be that Chaos Lords were feared by everyone, you could kit them out with epic items....in many respects that has all been lost (that said unkillable lord tarpits should remain a thing of the past)
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6 hours ago, Craze said:
But he has the 3 Dryad units he needs in his list anyway. And instead of Warsinger he could use Gnarled Warrior or Gift of Ghyran on his Durthu, which is - in my humble opinion - a better choice.
Of course he is absolutely free to play whatever he wants, I just wanted to ask why he chose Harvestboon.
Just liked the idea of having stronger casters and the extra movement. As I am new I can’t say I really know which one is better.
Looking at the requirements they look fairly similar so it’s probably easy to play both lists with some minor modifications?
This would be the Winter list; thoughts?
Leaders
Everqueen
Durthu
Branchwraith
Battleline
Dryads (10)
Dryads (10)
Dryads (10)
Elite
Hunters (3)
Hunters (3)
Think with the Battalion and Wargrove that comes to 1990pts
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23 hours ago, Ruhraffe said:
Battalions work like this:
For a battalion to be implemented, you have to put the minimum amount described in the batallion on the battlefield, pay points for the units and the batallion itself. Also, you can fill up the batallion with the units described in the batallions. If not mentioned in the batallion rules, you cannot take any units not on the batallion into the batallion, but you can put them in the army outside of the batallion. The rules of the batallion just don't apply to them.
For sylvaneth in specifics: There are normal batallions like Free Spirits or Forest Folk, and overarching batallions, named Wargroves. A wargrove consists of a minor batallion and some extra units. If you want to implement a wargrove:
1. Pay points for Wargrove2. Pay points for minor batallion
3. Pay points and put up models for the minor batallion (Attention: Most wargroves expand the amount of units of the minor batallion and even modify the type of unit!)
4. Fill up the Wargrove batallion with the needed units and pay their points
5. Every Wargrove says, that you can also put any sylvaneth unit. So your whole army can belong to the wargrove and use the wargrove rules, and can be set up as one.
-Every batallion gives you command points and an additional artifact. So if you play Gnarlroot, you receive these bonusses for the Gnarlroot Wargrove and the Household seperately. You can include up to 3 artifacts that way.
-The rules of the minor batallion just apply to the units mentioned in the minor batallion
-The rules for the Wargrove apply to your whole army
Right so taking that onboard ( i think
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Leaders
Everqueen
Spirit of Durthu
Branchwraith
Branchwraith
Battleline
Dryads (20)
Dryads (10)
Dryads (10)
Elite
Hunters (3)
Battalion: Forest Folk
Wargrove: Harvestboon
1980pts
20 points for an Endless Spell
Assuming that is legal, would this be a decent list?
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Hi,
Have been reading the Sylvaneth book at the local Game Store in addition to the Stormcast and Blades of Khorne.....and trying to decide on my comeback army to AOS. Played Warhammer Fantasy and then basically through in the towel when AOS launched. It now seems to have had a resurgence in my area and I am very keen to build a 2000 point army. My most loved army in Fantasy was my Wood Elves, however having sold all the models and books I really am starting from scratch (although I do have some unpainted Dryads in a box somewhere). Tried 40k and just couldn't get into the Sci-fi theme.....tanks and guns are jst not as cool as Magic and swords haha.
While it appears there are not that many units in Sylvaneth, I like how it still utilities Forests and has that old Wood Elves feel about it
The other appeal is that I really want an army built around a centerpiece model i.e. Archaon or the Everqueen in this case. On top of that I really like the fluff around the Spirit of Durthu being her protector.
Leaders
- Alarielle Everqueen
- Spirit of Durthu
- Branchwraith (summoning seems fun)
Battleline
- Dryads (unit size 10/20?)
- Hunters (how does 'Free Spirits' work with the rest of the army?)
What unit sizes work best and what proportion of Dryads to Hunters?
I must admit I am not 100% sure how the Battalions work, i.e. can you take anything in addition to the minimum requirements?
Idea:
- Everqueen holds down the center protected by a decent block of Dryads and the Branchwraith
- Branchwraith + Alarielle summon more units to support the main line
- Hunters push forward to secure objectives and present an immediate threat
- Durthu positions himself to tackle any Monstrous threats
While I am not looking to create a Tournament level 'unfriendly' list, it does need to be 'semi competitive' as that is what most people play. Nothing worse than building an army and spending hours on painting to just get crushed, then again its just as bad if you build a one trick hyper competitive army that no one enjoys playing either. Any help in crafting the list would be great?
Next, thing
How many extra units are needed for summoning?
How many forests are needed for a typical 2K game? Is there anywhere you can buy them pre-painted for a reasonable price?
Finally any additional advice or links to materials, Battle Reports would be amazing!
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6 hours ago, Lucur said:
That list is very low on the model count, you will be on the backfoot in any objective based game. Vandus is considered overpriced by many, you might wanna replace him with, say, a Knight Heraldor (works wonders with Fulminators as they need to charge to do serious damage) and use the remaining points to get some more bodies, more Sequitors or Aetherwings for example. Is the Lord Arcanum on foot? Because i'd highly recommend a gryphcharger if you don't intend to bring endless spells along.
Also note that this list will not make many friends in casual games.
Thanks for the reply
So this is what you would recommend?
leaders
Lord Arcanium - Gryph Charger
Gavriel
lord Relictor
knight Heraldor
Battleline
Sequitors (5)
Sequitors (5)
Sequitors (5)
Sequitors (5)
Elite
Evocators (10)
Fulminators (2)
Artillery
Cellestar Ballista (2)
That’s 1860 just with the units, no Spells or Battalions etc.
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New to AOS and trying to build a 2k list before buying any models. Any help would be much appreciated
Leaders
Lord Arcanum (General)
Vandus Hammerhand
Gavriel Sureheart
Lord Relictor
Battline
Sequitors (5)
Sequitors (5)
Sequitors (10)
Elite
Evocators (10)
Fulimators (2)
Artillery
Cellestar Ballista (2)
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Trying to build my first Chaos list so I can work-out what models to get over the Holiday break. Currently don't really own anything and its quite overwhelming getting into a new game system. Saying, that I am one of those people that likes to build the list and then work towards it rather than buy some generic stuff and make it work........just feels better to me and provides and additional incentive to get painting.
Units of most appeal:
- Archaon
- Mighty Lord of Khorne
- Khorne Lord on Juggernaught
- Bloodthirster
- Varanguard
- Skullcrushers
- Slaughter Priest
- Chaos Warriors
- Chosen Warriors
- Can include others.......
Obviously, cannot get all that into one list, but would love to have the center piece be Archaon. Keen to get some ideas from more experience players..........it does not need to be a tournament bone breaking list, however its nice to not get tabled every game either haha.
p.s. aiming for 2000pts with an option to increase to 2500pts for bigger fun games.
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I have an itchy trigger finger for an Everchosen Motrals type army........however, it can wait until we get new Chaos Warrior and Chosen models. When that day comes I will be going all in in the new Chaos mortals army.
AoS 2 - Slaves to Darkness / Darkoath Discussion
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Posted · Edited by Gibs
Shame it wasn't sustainable financially for GW......I do miss spending hours thinking about what items to load-out characters with 100pts was never enough!
That said, while I am not a great Khorne fanboy I have to admit I really like how they have designed Blades of Khorne in AoS. Of course its not perfect, but lets be honest that is nearly an impossible task.