Jagged Red Lines

Thanks for setting me right! That's slightly more hopeful.

Once again: the squatted models are not going to legends. They're getting matched play rules. Those rules cease being matched play legal next year.

Yes, you can see the direction of travel in that BoC didn't receive any points tweak in the latest battlescroll, after the squatting announcement.

I think you're getting confused. They're giving matched play rules to those squatted units. By summer 2025, they will be moved to legends. It doesn't say they're updating legends warscrolls. For instance, GW won't rewrite the warscrolls for old legends units like the chaos warmammoth or the sky cutter chariot, so they can be used in 4th edition. Grombrindal will be in that category, as a 3rd ed legend warscroll that won't be updated in 4th edition.

He'll get a 3rd edition warscroll, as he'll be released next month. GW has no history of updating legends warscrolls. Because of changes to bravery and other mechanics, all 3rd edition legends warscrolls will automatically become invalid at the turn of the edition. Therefore Grombrindal will automatically become invalid at 4th edition. I think what you're getting confused about is that bonesplitterz, beasts etc are getting indexes. These won't be legends rules. They're matched play rules that will be valid until summer 2025, when they'll go to legends.

I've said it before, so I won't labour the point. But after all the narrative build up, he should have been a permanent part of the range with permanent rules. This is genuinely such a beautiful model, in plastic. I don't see why they can't offer proper rules support for him.

His warscroll will likely exist for two months. Then there will 4th ed, and they will likely not update legends rules. In other words, the only way to use him will be as a proxy. Absolutely gutted about this.

My point is that it would have been far cooler for him to have been a permanent part of the range - a la gotrek. Such a cool model, and would have loved to have seen him on the table regularly.

Damn, why legends rules

It's a fantastic read. Noah is the best ever AoS author imo.

4th prob early July are we thinking? And yes, it feels super deflating to buy rules that'll be out of date in a month. I just bought two boxes of darkoath, but I'm weirdly not hype at all about them. It's not like soulblight at the end of second ed. These rules will be invalidated at the turn of the edition.

That'd be Queek Headtaker my dude. Just hope he's as cool looking as his Total War design.

Back to rumours - what are the guesses for malign sorcery with 4th? Will the contents likely be broken up and repackaged into specific spell lores? Any new generic endless spells?

Not to disparage the entirety of the 40k fan base, but you've got to realise that a scenario where the heroic protagonists are strong, universally male and racially intolerant, has the potential to attract someone of a certain political persuasion... Those people tend to be quite reactionary toward inclusion as a concept, which they see as an attempt to curb their freedom. I think it's a difference in political demographics - the AoS community is generally much more mature, tolerant and friendly.

Are there still no aos warscrolls for these?

Yeah, they need lightning effects! Cracking weapons, glowy eyes, carried aloft by lightning. Instead they're just slightly more religious. I feel there's a disconnect between the models and the lore.

I guess what most people are worried about is them being retired completed, a la sacrosanct, with no home in TOW or AoS.

AoS and 40k are both main studio. Specialist studio (formerly Forge World) is HH and TOW. This is why prior to 10th edition, GW remove HH kits (like the leviathan dread) from 40k.

Totally fine my dude. But it's worth pointing out that Rob worked there, his girlfriend did until last year, and as did his close mate Peachy.

It's worth watching this, if you haven't already. The tldr is that specialist design studio and the main studio have a separate profit and loss sheet. So if product is sold by both departments, it becomes impossible to say which studio reports it as profit. That's a long way of saying that ogors are 100% safe, because they're not a supported faction in the old world. Obviously it means the sword of damocles still hangs over dispossessed and spiderfang.

Can I just say, as a working class person from southeast England, that the use of "wot haz we 'ere" type dialogue from orcs/gargants/ogors/any stupid antagonist, plays into negative class stereotypes. I work in the City of London, which is dominated by public school educated rich boys. I encounter these prejudices every day, where people consider me boneheaded purely because of my accent. It's high time GW stopped punching down.

The only way they'll be brought back is if shareholders realise that GW is effectively halving potential profits by retaining its kafka-esque separate p&l sheets for specialist and main studios. I doubt that'll happen though, as they didn't kick up a fuss when FW was removed from 40k a year or two back. That said, I'm determined to go out in a blaze of glory with bonesplitterz. Even if the rules are somehow worse than they already are, I'm taking my crazy waagh magic boyz to the sunset.

I don't care about how GW looks at sales figures. Quarter of a million dollars may look inconsequential to them. But to the people who spent several hundred pounds on new armies since January (I'm one, and a mate recently started beasts), those numbers are not inconsequential. Deliberately holding back the truth until a time it was convenient for them to communicate with their customers has left customers out of pocket. These aren't speculative assets, we didn't buy expecting to lose.

Whitefang never confirmed this. The only indication we had was that SG Warhound cry reacted to someone asking if beasts were staying.