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  1. gjnoronh

    The resurrection selection...

    Heck Sleboda ran the first formal event I went to at RIT so very very many years ago in 3rd edition! Yeah I think it's an interesting point that AoS has really moved in a much more complex direction then AoS 1.0 at launch. There was something quite attractive about the low rules density of early AoS 1.0. I think though the oldhammer vs newhammer dichotomy is somewhat artificial. Open and Campaign play in AoS allows a lot of flexibility for wild and crazy including some stuff in GHB that feels very much like old school Generals Compendium (6th ed) The NEO folks are doing some very innovative things in their events that would have fit perfectly into 3rd edition.
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    The resurrection selection...

    Yes definitely 4th and 5th basically let you put any lord on any monster. Up to 25% of your list could be monsters ridden or otherwise. That being said it was hard to balance - some monsters were very good others not so good. Also not all had models IIRC. A frenzied chaos lord (double attacks in 4th-6th IIRC) with almost any monster was a flying rank breaking unit crusher. Goblin lord not so much.
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    The resurrection selection...

    Wasn't all that bad. Unless you were playing Orcs and Goblins - that could get quite crazy very quickly in some earlier editions with Animosity. As others have noted Magic had a bigger pay off and higher risks in previous editions. In almost all editions of Warhammer you still wanted that magic user in your list. In terms of fighty lords 4th-6th had a sweet spot for fighting lords on flying monsters. No Steadfast (8th ed rule) and models with more then 5 wounds breaking ranks meant with a flank charge you often destroyed a unit.
  4. gjnoronh

    The resurrection selection...

    Yes Wizards were either level 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 I think to connect with Warhammer Fantasy Role Play as well. A level 25 wizard was very powerful as I recall. I also have 2nd edition Warhammer at home though I didn't play it. Basically of the era where they just wanted to give you rules to use for your D and D miniatures including systems to write your own stats. There weren't IIRC any army lists per se.
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    The resurrection selection...

    I played 3rd edition and had a great time but quite slow. Don't forget winning combat pushed your opponents units back a couple of inches and yours forward IIRC so there was an interesting sort of bending before breaking of the battle line. Third ed had a spell called Wind of Death - effected every model/unit (I forget which) on the board we had one of those giant games going with four players and it killed half of everything present (maybe 5000 points. . .) Tons of fun. The old Generals Compendium for 6th had a ton of fun variant rules many of which I think are in the current siege rules. What's right for a serious matched play environment isn't always the same (particularly for all people) as what's right for having a fun afternoon of pushing toy soldiers with your friends.
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    New York State Grand Tournaments 2018

    Shadespire at Da Boyz is a Grand Clash - awaiting the kit for this season's Grand Clash's from GW.
  7. gjnoronh

    Sigmar/40k quick discussion

    Highly recommend Blood Bowl. 11-16 models is the entire team ('army') Reasonable diversity of teams to pick from and extensive choices on the table top each turn.
  8. Awesome glad it was helpful. Just suggested some of these tips in this thread to a new tournament goer.
  9. I'm at a point in my life where I don't have much time to paint (kids and career and running events) so I will dive into small scale purchases (Blood Bowl and Shadespire) as I can get those done, and updating older armies with new units or rebasing here or there. But I've been slowly collecting bits for a SCE army, convincing myself I can do a fast good looking paint scheme one day. Gary
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    Events USA: Da Boyz Grand Tournament Rochester NY

    Now at 56 for AoS and 110 for 40K, 6 for KoW event is sold out. Still taking wait list as there always brownian motion amongst the slots downstream.
  11. gjnoronh

    Sports Scoring in Tournaments

    Apparently you missed that it's a binary system per round a simple yes no question. That's a bit odd as it's the same system I presented in the other thread that you also responded. to a few weeks ago and the first sentence of my postmakes it clear it's a binary system. There is no 0-5 scoring in this system. But as I pointed out in the previous thread on this topic: If someone is willing to lie to the TO to hurt their opponents score on sports and improve their own chances of winning why won't they do the same on Battle? Opponent goes to the bathroom move your key models a few inches. If your opponent doesn't recall the exact turn or how many turns they have been on an objective lie to them. Fast roll dice and then miscount your results? Add an extra model here or there to hordes (32 vs 30 Bloodletters who is counting?) I'm not sure why you'd go to all this effort to lie to dock their sports score (after you've apparently already beat them if you are micro jockeying to get the overall win) when there is so much more you can do to lie to win the actual match. If you are playing multiple club mates and are conspiring to get the overall win then why not lie about the results on the table? Give someone max win and max bonus points if they are in best position to win? Or fake the game and give each of you a tie if that's what it takes to keep both of you are in the running. A players ability to lie to optimize their chances of a win isn't unique to sports and in almost tournament systems cheating about battle results is going to have a bigger impact then cheating your opponent of their deserved sports score. If you are determined to do all you can with sports abuse to get the overall you can go to the TO and swear up and down your non opponent did a truly egregious act of cheating or behavior that gets them kicked out. Hide someone elses iphone and wallet in their stuff for example. Again if someone is willing to cheat and lie about sports whats to stop them lying about about anything else at the event? If someone scores someone else negatively I'll often ask what their opponent did as mentioned so I can watch their games. Often when I check I find that people misunderstood the sports question (particularly if they are pretty drunk or a newbie.) If someone appears to be lying to give multiple opponents an undeserved negative score (never happened for me yet) I'm not sure what I'd do. I'd have to think about giving them the boot from the event and asking them never to come back and over riding their score. I've got a 30 person wait list right now for my sold out event if I have to boot and ban a player and an entire club I'm quite comfortable doing that. My event has been running 12 years is consistently the largest event in the Northeast US for 40K and AoS and has been featured on the Warhammer Community advertising. We are over 230 registrations total for this year for all systems. Every year I have people from roughly 1/4 of the US map attend. I've been playing Warhammer for 28 years and in that time have won at least one each of Best General, Best Overall, Best Sports and Best Painted at events larger then 30 people. I've placed 5th in a 150 person GW run national grand tournament and won best team at that event. I've been running 20+ person tournaments for over 20 years. I currently run about 5 events of various sizes a year and help out with multiple others. I used to part of the Direwolf FAQ team in sixth, seventh and 8th ed that worked directly with the GW head rules designer to help identify FAQs for WFB . The goal in part behind the genesis of that Direwolf FAQ group was to standardize rules to help tournaments run smoothly and consistently. I've had 20 years on the most competitive GT region in my country and have seen the internet arguments about how to score tournaments consistently since essentially the dawn of the Warhammer discussing internet. I understand your posts and thought process I've seen this same discussion for decades, are you sure you've read and understood my posts and thought processes? But my bonafides don't matter. I'm assuming you must also have many years of warhammer experience if you are able to show up to an event and tell your host (who is usually volunteering their time so you can have a good time) what they are doing wrong so they can change it on the day of the event. You don't have to like my sports system. You don't have to like sports scoring. Run the event you want to have (I'm assuming you run large events.) There is a reason soft scores are in my event (well detailed in the previous thread) but they don't have to be in yours. I posted my system again as I think understanding the underlying math and assumptions may help other TO's. Different TO's may have different objectives and may like a different system. The key for them is to understand how the math works and pros and cons of various approaches (including not using sports.) The player who is willing to lie to maximize their chance of winning an event probably has different objectives then my own for an event and unsurprisingly may not find my (or possibly any) sports system meets their desires.
  12. gjnoronh

    Sports Scoring in Tournaments

    For my events I do binary scoring per round the language varies but something along the lines of 'did your opponent meet the sportsmanship standards for our event' Yes or No (which are spelled out in the packet.) The players then nominate their first opponent after round 4. Round votes are 2 points, and best opponent is 3. We had experimented with geometrically increasing sports score penalty in the past but it wasn't worth the excel programming hassle. I tend to (but don't always) confirm with players if there is a negative vote. Partially so I know if I have to be watching someone the rest of the event and also to be sure someone understood the question. The effect is almost all players receive full marks for their round by round sportsmanship score a few will receive a small bonus for a single best opponent vote and a few players might receive best opponent votes from more then one person. Average (and almost all) scores is thus 10-13, maximum theoretically is 24 (but no one has gotten close) highest I can recall is probably 16-19 and minimum theoretical is 0 but the lowest I can recall is probably 8. This is with 0-20 point Battlepoints per round in a 5 game event. Which gets to one of my favorite points on soft (and battle) scores - the most important issue isn't how many points are available, it's how much variance you expect (and have built into the system) to have between the top score in the room and the average score and the bottom score. You could make sports out of 100 points but if the variance from top to bottom achievable and probable achieavable score is only 2 points then it's really only a '2 point' measure. Same with battle. If a round is worth 25 points max but the lowest score possible is a 10 you have added only 15 points to your top player vs your worst. End result is battle has less ability to differentiate then a '25 point max' would imply.
  13. gjnoronh

    Sports Scoring in Tournaments

    I've said plenty in the other thread that I think is well worth looking up and reading if you haven't. But I'd suggest plenty of folks misunderstand how soft scores work in events. They don't change your Battle Points (the table top results of the game) at all. The game results are the game results. They do (if used) mean that an 'Overall' (or 'Total Hobbyist' or "Renaissance") winner may be determined on more then just Battle Points. For players who don't value those soft scores (or think they shouldn't be included) - just ignore them and focus on Best General.
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    New York State Grand Tournaments 2018

    Da Boyz is at 233 total registrations with 56 for AoS! Wait list only at this point but I'm taking more wait listers as there are always drops each year.
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    Events USA: Da Boyz Grand Tournament Rochester NY

    At 50 players for AoS and 110 to 40K and adding in space to the hall we are going to get most players on the wait list in when drops are figured. If you missed out on initial registration please put your name on the wait list. You've got a good chance of getting in. Gary
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