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  1. I've been trying to put together a reasonably competitive list using mostly dwarf models & Gotrek. What do people think of this list? Freeguild General w/ Hawk Eye Runelord - Adjutant Gotrek 3x10 Freeguild Handgunners (will just use Dwarf Thunderer models) 30 Longbeards 30 Hammerers Grundstock Gunhauler 6 Endrinriggers (shooting loadout) Idea would be for the KO units to teleport around shooting at high value targets, or they could stay near the General to get his buff. Handgunners hold back objectives and shoot at enemy mid board units. Longbeards try to push up and swarm mid board objectives, while the Hammerers (supported by the RL) and Gotrek probably split up and look for something to fight. Positives are that there are a lot of decently durable bodies, good damage output and some range. Big downside is that aside from the KO it's very slow. Because it's also high drop count, if it goes against an opponent that can get multiple turn 1 charges, you could easily spend the first couple turns pinned in your own deployment zone. Maybe one improvement would be to swap out the Longbeards for a unit of pistoliers/outriders, a Knight-Azyros, & a Gyrocopter. Adds a lot of speed, but loses the dwarf theme some.
  2. @FyrennBoth of those options look good! I think the attack stacking combo on the pirates seems fun, and if they are in hurricanium range, they could do some pretty serious damage. Also, whatever you choose to do with the extra points would probably be more useful than the Greatswords. I think it's tough to get 10 man infantry units with no range to do much more than sit on objectives. The Free Guild option would be good too, but I would expect the guard to be all that much more survivable than the pirates. Personally I'd pick handgunners or crossbows instead. I think they are still battleline, and the stand and shoot ability is really fantastic. It wouldn't be that hard to get them to hitting and wounding both on 2's. One sort of general thing, though. If you like the Pirate theme, it may just be worth it to go with them. We will probably get a new General's Handbook some time in the next year or so, and when the points change, there is no guarantee that what is good now will still be then. Especially if you're in a just for fun environment. Pirates converted with Lizardmen shields does sound cool though!
  3. @FyrennI'm not as familiar with the dark elf side of things, but here are my thoughts: If you have an infantry general, I think it's worth the points to get an adjunct. Something like a battlemage might be more useful than the fleetmaster though. they have some pretty useful buff spells on their warscroll. However, an infantry here probably isn't the best Hawk Eye buffer for the Ironclad. They are really going to slow you down. Even a flying non-KO general will get left behind with the ship teleports (which is an awesome ability), though. If you want to put a KO general on the Ironclad, I'd either pick an Aether-Khemist (because he's cheap), or the Flying Endrinmaster (he's pretty good in combat & can shoot some). I like Grundstock Thunderers more than the Arkanauts to man an Ironclad. They have a lot more range, and can shoot even if the Ironclad teleports. If you go plan to use the teleport, they will do a lot more work. A teleporting Ironclad with 10 Thunderers is pretty dangerous even without the Hawk-Eye buff.
  4. @BelimanI ran a really similar list last night. First 2K game with the new book. Endrinmaster with Dirigible Suit w/+2 Attack artifact Navigator w/automatic dispel 30 Arkanauts w/Skyhooks & Volley Guns 6 Skywardens w/2 Grapnel Launchers & 2 Rotary Guns 12 Skywardens w/1 Grapnel Launcher 2 Gunhaulers w/Sky Cannons & Collapsible Compartments & Spar Torpedo Frigate w/ Skycannon 5 Thunderers w/Rifles Escort Wing My Opponent ran an Ogors list with a 2 Stonehorns, a big unit each of Gluttons & Ironguts, a wizard, and a couple small units of Leadbealchers as well as some battalion that let him out-drop me. We played Shifting Objectives. It was a really close fun game with 3 double turns, and basically came down to the turn 5 priority roll, but I lost by one VP. I think the list was decent, but not the best. The Arkanaut screen feels pretty crucial against fast combat armies. They scored objectives on the first half round 1 & held up to 2 Stonehorn charges & combat for a turn and a half. I'd love to get them up to 40. I'm not sure about the big Skywarden unit. They definitely underperformed in this game. They got one chance to fight, charging 2 remaining Ironguts, and only did 5 wounds. He was in cover and rolled great for his saves, so you can chalk some of that up to randomness. I'd consider splitting them in two and either using them as more tactical strikers or loading them up for shooting. The fly high rule is fantastic. I feel like it makes the army very strategic to play, and is great for grabbing uncontested objectives. When you have 6 guys to hitch along, it gets even better, since you can actually get a few bodies in. Had I kept my unit of wardens near a Gunhauler throughout the game, I could have taken the last objective I needed to win. That makes me lean more towards shooty units of Wardens, in which case I would probably swith to Urbaz.
  5. I think the two main benefits your 1 in 4 Duardin units recieve are Chronicle of Grudges (Pick 3 units and all friendly Thryng units re-roll 1s against them), and Honor the Gods, Just in case (once per battle in any phase hit rolls of 6 by one Thryng unit score two hits). Nothing too groundbreaking, but those are what you would want to maximize, and they are mostly focused on damage output rather than durability or movement. Here are some good options I see: Gyrocopters - Solid unit for clearing hordes, and can make good use of re-rolling 1s to hit (whereas the bomber is mostly focused on the mortal wounds) 30 Hammerers - Big hitty unit that can put out a bunch of damage, goes well with a Runesmith for some buffs and dispelling Irondrakes - would go well with a Khemist that has the Soulscream Bridge in a bottle, so they can teleport into range and fire twice (teleport doesn't count as a move) Runesmiter deepstriking with some Hearthguard Berserkers - rerolling those 1s gives you more chances for mortal wounds Gotrek - Just because he's cool Also, if you want to get more eyes on this you might consider posting in the main KO thread. It's been really active since the new book launched.
  6. @Auretious Taak Since Urbaz/Zilfin can take ships as battleline there is some the opportunity for some very silly lists. You can go really low model count: 4 model 1K Zilfin army: 3 Frigates, & Brokk or the Flying Endrinmaster 6 model 2K Zilfin army: 3 Frigates, 2 Ironclads, & the flying Endrinmaster Both those list would be bad, but I would definitely try and use them in a non-serious game if I had a couple more boats. If your opponent had a low model list, you could probably play a 2K game in about an hour!
  7. Without the Khemist buff, most KO infantry feels duplicative to other infantry options: Arkanauts are pretty similar to Bleakswords or Freeguild guard. Cheap battleline that won't do too much damage. A little less combat traded for the 9" pistols. Endrinriggers/Skywardens are pretty similar to Outriders/Pistoliers. If you build them with all the shooting options, you can have a good mobile ranged unit though. Thunderers are basically more expensive Irondrakes with an extra wound. If you want to use KO in a TE list, one potential option is to take an Ironclad and just drop it as far forward and fire away on turn 1. Then your opponent has to deal with an 18 wound model that has a 2+ save on turn 1. Very tough for an army without much rend or mortal wounds. Would be even better if you could get an arcane shield on it. A frigate or ironclad with a KO general hero gives you a pretty fast & durable Hawk-Eye general that can keep up with mobile units. Can put out some decent shooting of it's own too.
  8. I've got a 1K 3 game tournament coming up next weekend. Been thinking about the list for a little: Barak Zon Admiral (+2 attack artifact) Gunhauler 2x10 Arkanauts 2x6 Skywardens (one unit w/ 1 skyhook and the rest built for combat) 3 Endrinriggers (built for shooting) Arkanauts screen in deployment, and then camp objectives. Admiral goes in the Gunhauler, which flies around shooting shrapnel, until there is an opening to use the 6" move bonus to charge into support characters or take on unsupported units and then fly away on the following turn. Either the Endrinriggers or a unit of Wardens goes with it. Wardens look for opportunistic charges. Feels like I'm a little light on shooting, since it's just the Gunhauler & Endrinriggers with any range, but you can't have it all at 1K points.
  9. 1K tournament in my local store in two weeks. I'm thinking of running Barak Zon. Here's what I'm leaning towards: Flying Endrinmaster Gunhauler 6 Skywardens w/ 1 Skyhook 6 Skywardens no special weapons That puts me at 770. What to you guys think might be a good use of those remaining 230 points? I was thinking of adding 10 Arkanauts to sit on an objective & 3 shooting focused Endrinriggers. Could also take 5 thunderers to drop in the Gunhauler.
  10. Hmm, yeah, maybe not something that would work. Probably too fragile. Honestly, I don't think there's anything in our book that can compare with Hearthguard Berserkers for damage output efficiency, except for maybe Barak Zon Skywardens on the charge. And the damage gap isn't quite as big as you might think. My quick math gets 18 damage vs a 4+ save from my example (including the ranged attacks) vs 24 for the Berserkers. And it's likely that you wouldn't get all 20 Berserkers in range. If only 15 Berserkers got to swing, damage output is about the same. That's comparing the buffed up Gunhauler & Heroes vs unbuffed Berserkers. And obviously the Berserkers are super tanky. Your gunhauler has retreat/fly high abilities, and can still shoot after or could heal itself. You definitely couldn't just throw it into combat and hope for the best, but for countercharging specific units or taking out isolated enemies before redeploying, I don't think it would be horrible as a monster hunter or something like that. Or take just the boat & Admiral, make your own skyport, and pick the command trait that gives the admiral double damage vs a specific enemy, and for under 300 points you have a mobile shooting unit that can become a pretty lethal assassin if the opportunity arises.
  11. One fun Idea that came to mind is using the Gunhauler with the 5 capacity artifact as a hero chariot. Put in an Admiral, and an Endrenmaster or two on board, and use the Repel Boarders command trait. In Barak Zon you can give the Khemist the +2 attack artifact and you have some decent shooting, and 11 2+/2+ attacks with rend -1 or -2 & 2 or d3 damage. Or if you did the make your own port, you could give the Admiral the double damage vs a specific enemy, and a +1 artifact, and choose the heroes re-roll 1s to hit vs enemy heroes and monsters. Probably not super competitive, and you are at risk of getting surrounded and losing 490 points, but would be fun and not horrible.
  12. Yeah. 11% chance of one-shotting the Keeper with no aethergold. 30% if you get re-roll wounds on the Thunderers.
  13. The Frigate and Gunhauler are much better, too. I actually think the Gunhauler might be the most efficient pick of the bunch. Here's a comparison of damage outputs for the ships & how many rend 1 wounds they can take. Not exactly a 1-1 comparison, since Gunhaulers can't cary marines, but they they can Fly High with Riggers/Wardens (I think), which is great. I think the first list I'm go for is a Skywarden heavy Barak Zon Escort Wing. I know some people are worried about power level, and I think that's fair. There is nothing in this book that can match the damage output of buffed up Riggers or 40 Arkanauts with Skyhooks from before. I think we've traded firepower for more durability & mobility. We will need to get some games in before we can really say whether this book is more or less powerful than before, but I think the rules are cooler & fit the fluff way better, so I'm happy.
  14. Yeah, it’s sort of silly, but I think that might be the best list 😬. Maybe you drop 6 wardens for another gunhauler and an extra hero...
  15. So can Wardens/Riggers hitch a ride on a gunhauler now? Seeks like yes. In that case a Barak Zon Escort Wing with some extra Wardens could be really good.
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