Turragor
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19 minutes ago, xking said:
When did 3rd Edition drop, just seems like it was a while ago.
I think it's a calendar month since release tomorrow or something like that. I wager they still have production backlog impacting their scheduling.
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1 hour ago, xking said:
The end of August!? That seems like a long time. Didn't 3rd Edition come out like over a month ago?
haha this reminded me of my kids
I'm impatient too though
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OK so I'm gonna give the following a whirl. It kind of doesn't matter with a new book on the way. Still interested in feedback (some of the ideas may continue to work):
Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Grand Strategy: Hold the Line (?)
- Triumphs: Bloodthirsty
Gotrek Gurnisson (435) in Battle Regiment
- Allies
Drakesworn Templar (450) in Battle Regiment
- General
- Tempest Axe
- Command Trait: Staunch Defender
- Artefact: Arcane Tome (Universal Artefact)
- Mount Trait: Storm-winged
Yndrasta the Celestial Spear (300) in Battle Regiment
Celestant-Prime (325) in Battle Regiment
5 x Liberators (95) in Battle Regiment
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (95) in Battle Regiment
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (95) in Battle Regiment
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandblades
3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (95) in Battle Regiment
- 1x Stormsurge Tridents
Everblaze Comet (100)
Battle Regiment
Artefact
Total: 1990 / 2000
Reinforced Units: 0 / 4
Allies: 435 / 400
Wounds: 76Summary
Its one drop - I've to be very careful with deployment but I hope to decide (or have a greater chance of deciding) r1.
There's a Gotrek. He'll act as a lone agent to really mess with folks heads (later rounds) as he is wont to do.
There is Yndrastra who can slap but will be used to keep lib blocks alive and battleshock immune too.
There is the Prime because I still rate everything that scroll brings even if Yndrastra is outshining in combat and survivability (orrery and the scepter are still big faves).
There is a Stardrake because I ****** love them.
There are a number of gambles and sacrifices here:
1. Templar is a mage now. Cast & recast of comet for first 2 rounds. Then (if he's alive :S) mystic shield and in. I'd like to take Master of Magic to utterly guarantee the Comet.
2. That mage status reduces the durability of the drake. I'll be playing it cautiously as opposed to end of 2.0 with 2x Drakes in my lists.
3. I'm one drop for the novelty. It's going to mean I've to deploy very smart. Deployment is my biggest weakness tbh and this should really sharpen me up with some hard lessons. I figure I'll have two strats with celestial vs board deployment based on the type of army I face.
4. I'm sayin adieu to Staunch - and I'm mainly thinking I'll not be casting mystic shield for a few rounds so it's good to have a bit of a bonus.
5. Nearly ALL the top godhammer strong lists will be tough here. I mean, Gotrek should save me a bit. But I think anyone piloting a strong meta list currently knows how to handle Gotrek...
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2 hours ago, CommissarRotke said:
So the mortals that proc off Shield, happen in ANY battle round correct? They throw it in at the end and I wasn't sure if these happen on 3 and later, or the entire game...
I'd expect a bit of debate about this tbh. I could see it taken both ways but Im leaning to any round.
Even worse for rules debate - there is no 'any'. So technically if you've 2 units carefully placed you might be able to proc it twice for 2D3 mortals?
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You still have units (1 - ofc battletome may change that) with deepstrike on their warscroll - the Prime.
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2 minutes ago, edmc78 said:
Apoloiges for a noob question - do stormkeep armies loose the ability to deepstrike from the holy realm?
Yup so we are still waiting to see what the army composition that still does that "Scions of the Storm" has for extra rules.
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3 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said:
Big book faq (now removed) was objectives on the border don’t count as within your territory.
I think however it shakes out there's potential. I am curious about "partially" in the wording then. Potential FAQ material?
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I've a question - do we still have a unit with reroll 1s with sigmarite shields (RAW, I doubt RAI)?
FAQ:
Page 173, 177, 178, 179, 181 – Sigmarite Shield
Change the rule to:
‘Worsen the Rend characteristic of weapons that target this unit by 1,
to a minimum of ‘-’.’https://wahapedia.ru/aos/factions/stormcast-eternals/Steelheart-s-Champions
I've checked my physical tome and they are page 161.
Steelheart's Champions are Redeemer too...
Maybe I'm missing something in the FAQs
Steelheart Champions meta.
It's hardly that much of an impact in game
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Just now, PrimeElectrid said:
800 point dragon
3 praetors
45 vindictors
5 liberators
Yndrasta
3rd edition let’s go
I would want a translocate or 2 but otherwise I'm down. Even if I'm painting a bunch more foot troops.
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1 minute ago, PJetski said:
Not to beat a dead horse, but if Vanquishers have REDEEMER they could have a niche of being a high damage unit that can push objectives well.
Did anyone else notice that the 5 paladins in the back have 3 glaives, a starsoul mace, and an axe?
It's odd, looks like there's 4 protectors (well starsoul mace means you gotta check the helm if you're being ultra wysiwyg and those are hard to see) and 2 Decimators.
I'm guessing some pic cropping/setup mistake.
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3 minutes ago, Marcvs said:
InfantryCast (BattelelineCast rather) in general, I love this already
I am feeling a core of MSU redeemer units (at least 5) with Yndrastra for the regen. Kind of novel. Much more like SCE in the books.
Ofc, Scions rules may be fun too.
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4 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said:
anyway
Why yes my 5 Liberators do count as 15 models and reduce all rend by 1, also here’s some Mortal Wounds, why do you ask?
Liberator stonks going through the roof?
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I really like Shield of Civilization. I weep a bit for Staunch Defender but am a bit excited by its interaction with Shield of Civilization. I like the "angry dragons" rule for getting tougher as it destroys.
As a teaser, its just Stormkeep info if I'm not mistaken?
I hope some of these carry over to the classic Scions of the Storm army. Especially:
"Stormkeep armies may also call upon the aid of Krondys, Son of Dracothian, or his moodier brother, Karazai the Scarred."
Emphasis my own. I hope it's not Stormkeep only. That'd be odd.
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23 minutes ago, PJetski said:
Whoever makes the 3.0 Stormcast thread please put "Vindictor, not Vindicator" in the title
Don't fight it...
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2 hours ago, PJetski said:
I call units useless but I play "useless" models all the time. It's fun to make value judgements and try to optimize - that is a big reason I like tournament play - but ultimately it is still a game with miniatures that I want to put on the table because they look cool and I spent a lot of time painting them.
This is the way. I've taken at least one Stardrake to nearly every tournament I've played in all editions and I don't regret it - even if I could maybe have got further with more optimisation.
A big part of this hobby when you play matched at tournaments is making peace with the way it is.
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Those dragons!
I reckon I'm going Drakecast as a successor to Starcast for sure 
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5 hours ago, SchleuderMann2 said:
I would swap exorcist and comet for battlemage and maybe lifeswarm. Gotrek really needs some speed bonus and in case you could give it also to other characters to ensure a critical charge
That's a pretty good point. You mean wildform right? How would I get a Battlemage and Gotrek into an SCE list? Stormkeeps? Need to bypass the ally limit once Gotrek is in.
I reckon I'll probably pivot 'Star'cast to 'Hero'cast - given how the meta is shaking out. In that respect my logic is:
Libs and Yndrasta (regening low model count battleline and other buffs) together.
Dragon as a distraction and for eating models that are tough to move (plays havoc when you can eat LRL champs and remove casting, or Hekatos models stopping RDR commands from being issued, daemon banners to stop return of models when battleshock rolls around etc)
Then the comet, exorcist and Prime are a tribute to Starcast still ... they could be removed (until new book when we hopefully see prime buffs)...
In that case I could add in the battlemage. I might take an Incantor against hard magic (or 2).
Concussors are nice right now.
But I wonder if I could then fit in 2 drakes
obaby!
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OK so we've a big book coming soon TM. I've got a lot of stuff painted for SC already. I want to try something from Dominion... I don't want to paint or buy a lot of new things prior to the book.
I also want to think that there's a bit of godmonster/hero smashing required if I play a tournament over the summer.
I'm considering developing on the following and I want to hear if folks have feedback:
Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Grand Strategy:
- Triumphs:
Drakesworn Templar (450)
- General
- Tempest Axe
- Mount Trait: Storm-winged
Celestant-Prime (325)
Yndrasta the Celestial Spear (300)
Lord-Exorcist (95)
Gotrek Gurnisson (435)
- Allies
5 x Liberators (95)
- Warhammer & Shield
5 x Liberators (95)
- Warhammer & Shield
5 x Liberators (95)
- Warhammer & Shield
Everblaze Comet (100)
Total: 1990 / 2000
Reinforced Units: 0 / 4
Allies: 435 / 400
Wounds: 75
I'll have to build and paint 2 models total (Yndrasta and Gotrek) - similar to my idea with Kroak (RIP) -
My first idea that I think I want to try out on the table (minimal painting requirement - Yndastra only).
With a new edition, it's actually kinda moot what ppl take. Synergies and mechanics change, a new tome will come along shortly after Dominion releases (probably). There will be other releases (chariot etc).
I just feel like this is a cool idea:
starcast 3.0 Warlord LCoSD - 540 Celestant Prime - 325 Yndrasta - 300 Knight Incantor - 130 Knight Incantor - 130 1 x 5 Liberators - 95 Everblaze Comet - 110 Vanguard Lord Castellant - 130 2 x 5 Liberators - 190 Aetherwings - 45 1995Castellant, aetherwings and 2 lib units have a free (no CP) movement boost to reach objectives or get in range of buffs/synergies
Yndastra sits with 2 libs units (until its time to strike elsewhere) regen-ing the bare bones battleline & giving them battleshock immunity.
1 unit libs in deepstrike to make opponent think.
Prime behaves as normal (on the field spreading wounds most often).
LCoSD tries out their new ward amulet I spose and sits on another objective with Castellant - whose inclusion depends on if their scroll gets a rewrite tbh. For now I'm cleaving close to the original starcast format.
Double incantors as I think magics gonna be even stronger. Will allow trialling of cast/recast of the comet as per Scurvydog above.
Aetherwings because why not.
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Right now I've got this itch to try as many stardrakes as I can. I am not sure if I fancy the idea of giving each a praetor unit. That seems obscene.
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New rules - 1 change to endless spells that effects the comet:
You cannot dispell it and then cast it in the same phase.
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With absolutely no information I'm going out on a limb here and saying I'm trying:
2 Drakes
Prime (new scroll suspicion)
caster/support heroes
Comet
Cheapest battleline
A number of Dracothian guard (if they're not battleline)
Just a hunch! I've got this gut feeling that Extremis will come out looking rather swell for some reason.
I have only one doubt or suspicion with the whole Starcast concept at the moment, and that is that they seem to be marketing that heroes are even more important... And Starcast is very good at taking out support heroes that are hiding. Maybe GW has thought of this and the core concept of ranged mw chip is gone.
We'll see
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We've had a few teasers and while there is so much that is unknown there is almost no point speculating, I feel like what we do know points to a Starcast like build doing a lot of things similar/better than it does now, while the faction overall will get a boost that means the best list is still not Starcast.
This mentions predatory spells but I find it hard to imagine this won't apply to the majority of endless spells. Double the comet ticks isn't anything to sniff at.
I like this! Stomp is obviously something quite interesting, but most of these look good.
I reckon I'm going Drakecast as a successor to Starcast for sure 
AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion
in Stormcast Eternals
Posted · Edited by Turragor
But isn't it more like, this Lord Commander has always been so. Was perhaps one of the very first stormcast created. After the Prime whom (let's face it) sits in a little bit of a weird spot lore wise.
Vandus is just like an accomplished Captain. He leads a chamber right? Not the Hammers total. The pairing chosen in the starter box are probably meant to sit at a similar power/importance level.
Hammerhand IS Khorgos Khul in terms of story weighting. Its just that GW writes about SCE far more than Khorne. So he's a powerful warlord but not the most powerful.
But mainly, GW builds their story after models are made. They can and will retcon a bunch of stuff. Luckily this isn't exactly retconning but I understand the feeling of "hey this cool powerful leader isn't being made into the overall leader with all these storied victories?!"
GW will give the Lord Commander EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE storied victories to back up the reason for his existence as a cool model to buy.
What will be interesting I spose is what will the Lord Commander's rules show us? Are we getting an Archaon equivalent (I doubt that)? Will he be a Gotrek lite (though 5 times bigger)?
Personally I hope more for a Katakros "whole army force mulitplier" type (or well, Katakros in 2.0). That'd be neat. Take one character and not need 4 buff pieces. Frees up list writing. the LC can be a semi-beatstick but ultra buff wagon. I like that yea.
I love how this stuff interlaces - GW are like mad scientists or gifted chefs who never read recipes. Sometimes they ****** up but often the balance of model design, rules design and lore to explain it all can result in cool games/stories/models.