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On 8/13/2018 at 11:58 PM, Drillz said:
@scrubyandwells how would you build a non alphastrike dreadwood? Would you be dropping Prime for something else? I listen to warhammer weekly episode and it seemed to focus on the alphastrike side of dreadwood but less on the non alphastrike. Also looking the past 3 big tournaments dreadwood didn’t seem to be placing that high and people at going for no battalions or gnarlroot or the 1 harvest list.
Sorry for missing this originally.
For a more well-rounded Dreadwood list that doesn't rely on hyper-aggressive play, the main element is to incorporate Dryads for screening and objective play, and to have enough for summoning throughout the game. You can also look at Eternal Guard, which are a cheaper screening option at x10 for 70pts or x20 for 140pts, although you lose the one-drop if you take any Eternal Guard.
Here's one example:
- Alarielle
- Spirit of Durthu
- Branchwraith
- 30 Dryads
- 5 Spite-Revenants
- 5 Spite-Revenants
- 5 Spite-Revenants
- 5 Spite-Revenants
- 3 Kurnoth Hunters
- Dreadwood/Outcast
- 1990
Alternatively, you could swap Durthu for Drycha, another Branchwraith, and a 20-30pt endless spell.
Here's one with Eternal Guard:
- Alarielle
- Spirit of Durthu
- Branchwraith
- Branchwraith
- 20 Eternal Guard
- 5 Spite-Revenants
- 5 Spite-Revenants
- 5 Spite-Revenants
- 5 Spite-Revenants
- 3 Kurnoth Hunters
- Dreadwood/Outcast
- Chronomantic Cogs
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15 minutes ago, Hankster said:
Oh wise old treemen and branchywychs!
I'm new to wargaming and the Age of Sigmar. I've been playing a bit with 1k Ironjawz army and I think I'd like to try the Sylvaneth. The combination of magic and behemoths with area denial/support from wyldwoods looks very interesting tactically. Plus the look damn cool!
Can anyone suggest a good approach for a novice and where to start with the faction (besides the start collecting box)?
Thanks!
Welcome!
If you google "Sylvaneth Spotlight" and "Sylvaneth Faction Focus," you'll find a series of articles on Warhammer Community that should provide a good introduction to the faction: the lore, heroes, units, Wyldwoods, strategy and tactics, and so on.
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On 8/28/2018 at 12:03 PM, Twh30 said:
Hi there looking for some opinions on this list
leaders
- treelord ancient
- branchwraith
- Branchwych
- spirit of durthu
- Battleline
- tree revenants x5
- tree revenants x5
- dryads x30
- other units
- kurnoth hunters with swords x3
- allies
- akhelian ishlaen guard x3
- akhelian ishlaen guard x3
- Household battalion
- Gnarlroot wargrove
now was thinking could take out dryads and add spite revenants plus kurnoth hunters or take dryads and durthu out and add drycha plus another Treelord ancient? Options welcome thank you .
Looks like a solid list to experiment with. I think Ishlaen Guard are promising in a Sylvaneth list, particularly as a bunker screen in a Wyldwood, giving them a 3+ ignoring rend save. I'd be tempted to do Kurnoth Scythes rather than Swords so that they can be screened in or out of a Wyldwood by Ishlaen Guard or another unit and still swing over the top with their 2" reach. A mainstay of Sylvaneth play is Dryads in a Wyldwood screening Kurnoth Scythes, who then swing over the top. Ishlaen Guard could perform a similar role, although just be careful about Roused by Magic, since Ishlaen would be affected.
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9 hours ago, AaronWIlson said:
Thank you for the write up @scrubyandwells
totally agree on the Wyldwood note. I really struggle if the opponent feels up the board super fast and I can't get those Wyldwoods out. I got smashed by Stormcast last night (Gabriel & 20 Sequitors, dear lord please) and he did a lot of deep striking and really cluttered the board up, I actually think in games like that I'd be tempted to take the first turn just to put out some defensive wyldwoods. Yes I risk the double turn but I think it's bad either way!
Yeah that was another item for the list: our one-drop battalions put more options on the table for us that are missing otherwise, especially the option to take first and alpha-bunker onto objectives within a Wyldwood. I won a lot of games with that basic approach in AoS1. Sylvaneth want to be fighting in and around Wyldwoods most of the time for cover, minimizing enemy footprint, optimizing Roused by Magic and related spells, getting debuffs to hit, and so on.
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On 8/24/2018 at 2:07 PM, scrubyandwells said:
Headed to Siegeworld tomorrow (my first AoS2 event!) for three 2K games on Sat and three at 1K on Sun.
Here's the list. Not the best, but wanted to try out some things, especially no one-drop, no Bows, 1x10 TRevs, and Flitterfuries.
So if I go 0-3, it's all the list's damn fault...of course. ?
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Spirit of Durthu
- General
- Warsinger
- Ethereal Amulet
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Drycha Hamadreth
- Regrowth
- Colony of Flitterfuries
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Branchwraith
- Acorn of the Ages
- Regrowth
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Branchwraith
- Verdant Blessing
- 20 Dryads
- 10 Dryads
- 10 Tree-Revenants
- 3 Kurnoth Scythes
- 3 Kurnoth Scythes
- 3 Kurnoth Swords
- Free Spirits Battalion
Re: above, here's some notes on what was learned at Siegeworld last weekend, my first AoS2 event.
First, it was an enormous amount of fun! Jeff Naumann puts on a wonderful tournament. All my games and opponents were outstanding. It was two events in one: three 2K games Saturday, three 1K games Sunday. I loved the format, although 90 minutes wasn't quite enough for 1K.
For context, I went this year with an experimental-rather-than-competitive mindset. When you're supposed to be an "expert," it's easy to start thinking you need to "do well" consistently. I'm not a fan of that story (it's rather silly and unhealthy), so forced myself to just throw it out.
Some experiments included:
- Taking a toned-down build without much room for summoning additional Dryads (only have 30, which were in the list).
- Always giving up first turn, if I had fewer drops, and sometimes saying in advance they'll be getting first turn.
- Not always trying to make optimal choices, e.g., not always going for objectives to force being more on the back foot.
- Trying out 1x10 Tree-Revenants, skipping one-drop battalions, relying on 6+ Verdant Blessing, etc.
Some of what was learned:
- Time for an updated cheatsheet for AoS2, starting with "Hey dummy, remember you usually don't have to stay on an objective to keep scoring it." My brain kept reverting back to AoS1.
- As half-expected, 1x10 Tree-Revenants felt like a poor use of 160 points. They were there as a backfield-threat experiment, but they needed to be in combat when no other combats were happening (other combats with higher-priority activations were always happening), since, as always, if you can't activate them first, they'll die to just about anything. At the same time, 1x5 or 2x5 is still a solid bet for Johnny-on-the-spot screening and objective play.
- In one game, Kurnoth Swords were fighting a combat-build Great Unclean One (GUO), who was on the edge of a Wyldwood. Usually, you want Kurnoth fighting from the comfort of a Wyldwood, giving them a 3+ save + their Tanglethorn Thicket RR. It was proving difficult, though, to keep all 3 in cover and within 1" range to attack the GUO. Kurnoth Scythes, on the other hand, would've managed it with 2" reach.
- Blight Kings are legitimately terrifying. It was my first time facing a bunch. They were RR'ing hits and wounds and often doing mortal wounds on 6's to hit with Blades of Putrefaction. I knew it was a thing, but experiencing it first hand was horrifying.
- Drycha with Flitterfuries was the all-star all weekend. I was also trying her out as a combat piece. Not the best idea, it turned out. Her 4+ to hit and 3+ to wound made her too swingy, especially when combined with the randomness of whether she's mad (Enraged) or sad (Embittered). She won't do much of anything in combat when she's sad, and even when mad, the math isn't favorable, unless she has RRs from somewhere. On the other hand, she was hitting 4-5 units a turn with Flitterfuries. If you can keep her alive for 3 rounds, much less 4 or 5, good lord...her mortal wound output can get crazy (Flitterfuries is especially helpful when facing armies with 5-7-wound heroes, like Nighthaunt).
- Ethereal Amulet + Mystic Shield on Spirit of Durthu was a solid combo, as it is with a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon et al. I kept forgetting about Solemn Guardian, though, which could've helped Drycha survive longer, since she was often in combat within 6" of Durthu. With that said, as usual, Durthu was a primary focus for my opponent's mortal wounds, and he largely decided to take the weekend off, as he's wont to do. I'll have to experiment with Ghyrstrike, as well as Ignax's Scales.
- The shorter deployment pitch – 9" instead of 12" – on multiple GHB18 scenarios means the pre-deployment Wyldwood can often be placed as a 2-Citadel-Wood-base runway that extends into both deployment zones. So regardless of who chooses deployment sides, you can set up some of your units within 3" of the pre-deployment Wyldwood, such as Dryads or Branchwraiths, in order to trigger their -1 to hit from the start. This also gives you the option to use Acorn of the Ages more aggressively (i.e., up-field), instead of using it as the standard "launchpad" deeper in your deployment zone, since units already deployed within 3" of the pre-deployment Wyldwood can use it as the launchpad. Of course, all of this is situation-dependent.
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Fighting Alarielle with only 3 Kurnoth Scythes is a terrible idea. Who knew!
Talon of the Dwindling removed a Kurnoth model every turn.
- Acorn of the Ages was as valuable as ever, but not having its tag-team partner (Ranu's Lamentiri for a reliable Verdant Blessing) definitely sucked. I kept failing the 6+ cast for Verdant. Having only the pre-deployment Wyldwood + Acorn, especially when you let your opponent go first and they start zoning out the board, certainly can affect Sylvaneth's mobility and resiliency.
Running out of time...more blathering soon!
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1 hour ago, scrubyandwells said:
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Spirit of Durthu
- General
- Warsinger
- Ethereal Amulet
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Drycha Hamadreth
- Regrowth
- Colony of Flitterfuries
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Branchwraith
- Acorn of the Ages
- Regrowth
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Branchwraith
- Verdant Blessing
- 20 Dryads
- 10 Dryads
- 10 Tree-Revenants
- 3 Kurnoth Scythes
- 3 Kurnoth Scythes
- 3 Kurnoth Swords
- Free Spirits Battalion
When the opportunity exists, also interested in trying Spirit of Durthu + Drycha as a combat-threat duo, to try and take advantage of Durthu's Solemn Guardian + Ethereal Amulet + ideally Mystic Shield. On a 4+, wounds to Drycha could be allocated to him, and taken on 3+ ignore rend (+ potentially RR 1's).
Since the ability says "...causes a wound...," I'm guessing mortal wounds would not trigger Solemn Guardian? Normally the warscroll would say "wound(s) or mortal wound(s)," but this could be an instance of warscroll writing that's incongruent with their more refined, consistent writing in recent battletomes.
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17 minutes ago, Aezeal said:
Are you set on the acorn? Wouldn't a Ranu's Lamenteri on the Verdant blessing wraith have almost the same reliability for a forest on the first turn but a lot more added use in later turns?
Why the Durthu and 3 more hunters and not an Alarielle who summons a TL? I really think that in flexibility Alarielle is way stronger due to added magic (3 cast and a damn strong spell), dispel, flying, healing .. well you know it all (I think she'll get a sharp points increase next year if rules are the same).
After hundreds of games, I've rolled snake eyes or 3 on Ranu's + Verdant enough that I'm leery to gamble again. It shouldn't fail, but it can. Definitely appreciate why folks prefer it, though.
Also like the potential to get two woods out round 1 re: Acorn + Verdant and keeping caster out of unbind range.
First version of the list had Acorn on one BW and Ranu's + Verdant on the other, but wanting to try out Ethereal Amulet on Durthu.
Unfortunately don't have Alarielle quite yet -- should have her ready to go by October.
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8 minutes ago, scrubyandwells said:
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Spirit of Durthu
- General
- Warsinger
- Ethereal Amulet
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Drycha Hamadreth
- Regrowth
- Colony of Flitterfuries
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Branchwraith
- Acorn of the Ages
- Regrowth
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Branchwraith
- Verdant Blessing
- 20 Dryads
- 10 Dryads
- 10 Tree-Revenants
- 3 Kurnoth Scythes
- 3 Kurnoth Scythes
- 3 Kurnoth Swords
- Free Spirits Battalion
One variation considered:
- Put Verdant Blessing on Branchwraith with Acorn of the Ages, and Throne of Vines on the other Branchwraith;
- Deploy Throne of Vines Branchwraith in a spot where she can stay put, ideally out of unbind range;
- Cast Throne of Vines, with intention to summon Dryads in succeeding turns with the +D3 to cast (and potentially +D3 to unbind if any enemy Wizards have moved within unbind range).
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Headed to Siegeworld tomorrow (my first AoS2 event!) for three 2K games on Sat and three at 1K on Sun.
Here's the list. Not the best, but wanted to try out some things, especially no one-drop, no Bows, 1x10 TRevs, and Flitterfuries.
So if I go 0-3, it's all the list's damn fault...of course. ?
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Spirit of Durthu
- General
- Warsinger
- Ethereal Amulet
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Drycha Hamadreth
- Regrowth
- Colony of Flitterfuries
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Branchwraith
- Acorn of the Ages
- Regrowth
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Branchwraith
- Verdant Blessing
- 20 Dryads
- 10 Dryads
- 10 Tree-Revenants
- 3 Kurnoth Scythes
- 3 Kurnoth Scythes
- 3 Kurnoth Swords
- Free Spirits Battalion
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9 hours ago, AaronWIlson said:
Treelord Ancient
Artefact - Ethereal Amulet
Trait - Gift of Gyhyran
Deepword Lore - The Reaping
Drycha
Deepword Lore - Dwellers Below
Branchwraith
Artefact - Ranus Lamentiri
Deepword Lore - Verdant Blessing
Branchwych
Deepword Lore - Regrowth
Artefact - Acorn of the AgesDryads (30)
Tree Revenants (5)
Tree Revenants (5)
Kurnoth Hunters (6) - Scythes
Kurnoth Hunters (3) - BowsHousehold Batallion
Gnarlroot WargroveYeah that's one of the top "template lists" for Gnarlroot in GHB18, at least if you want to maintain the one drop.
I think the above version, though, has room for improvement, or at least here's some things to consider:
1. Since the above doesn't have Cogs, Warsinger is valuable on Ancient to give you the potential for 8+ charges (w/ command point RR) on your teleports. The +1 charge combined w/ a RR is significant for greater charge-reliability. At the same time, Gift of Ghyran isn't a poor choice.
2. Personally I'd skip The Reaping and Dwellers Below, take Regrowth for both Ancient and Drycha (giving you greater board flexibility, i.e. you don't have to keep them <> 18" of each other, and if one dies, you'll still have Regrowth), and go with one of the following for the Branchwraith and Branchwych:
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- Branchwraith - Ranu's Lamentiri + Verdant Blessing
- Branchwych - Acorn of the Ages + Throne of Vines
B:
- Branchwraith - Ranu's Lamentiri + Throne of Vines
- Branchwych - Acorn of the Ages + Verdant Blessing
Option A makes Verdant Blessing a lot more reliable, while still giving +1 to cast other spells, especially Roused to Wrath for summoning Dryads, turning it into 6+ (or 5+ with Arcane). And by giving Throne of Vines to the Branchwych, she can focus on replenishing Kurnoth Hunters et al. w/ +D3 to cast on Verdurous Harmony, as well as potentially helping w/ unbinds, since the +D3 applies to unbinding as well. Of course, the +D3 goes away if she moves.
Option B provides a less-reliable Verdant Blessing and puts more focus on the Branchwraith, but if you want to optimize casting Roused to Wrath or Verdurous Harmony, go this route. You'll be casting Throne of Vines on 3+ (or 2+ w/ Arcane), and then have +1 and +D3 for casting Roused to Wrath or Verdurous Harmony.
If the list had Cogs, I'd be more tempted by option B, since the Branchwraith could cast three spells. In general, though, option A is the better route IMO.
3. You may want to test the 1x6 Scythes in scenarios w/ a lot of objectives, like A Better Part of Valour, Scorched Earth, and Focal Points. While the single activation can be invaluable, the greater board presence/flexibility of 2x3 Scythes has been more consistently relevant in my experience.
4. I think there's a strong argument for running 1x3 Swords over 1x3 Bows.
Good luck!
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1 hour ago, Popisdead said:
On they latest S&Ws podcast there was mention of Ben Johnson stating there are more waves for Deepkin, Sylvaneth and someone else. They speculated the idea of using the beetle and swarm motif more in the range.
If there was a mention of more waves for existing armies by a key person at GW the picture could align with the guess of a bug-like unit.
Thanks for listening!
Just for reference, it wasn't Ben (GW staff can't talk about future releases), it was those up-to-no-good rumormongers here on TGA.
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On 8/13/2018 at 11:58 PM, Drillz said:
@scrubyandwells how would you build a non alphastrike dreadwood? Would you be dropping Prime for something else? I listen to warhammer weekly episode and it seemed to focus on the alphastrike side of dreadwood but less on the non alphastrike. Also looking the past 3 big tournaments dreadwood didn’t seem to be placing that high and people at going for no battalions or gnarlroot or the 1 harvest list.
I'll follow up with some thoughts soon. To be honest, I still have a hard time seeing Dreadwood as one of our strongest tournament choices, at least in a competitive field; but that may reflect my lack of experience with it vs its actual potential. Usually when writing Dreadwood lists, I see clear flaws, and lists that will have a difficult time vs a lot of the top-end.
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23 hours ago, IndigoGirls said:
@scrubyandwells If you've got the time I'm interested in your opinion. I really want to swap the TLA for more reliable damage (those sweeping blows, especially when wounded feel awful) but I'm very reluctant to miss out on a woods generator... The re-roll 1's doesn't feel super relevant for my list either but that 4+ forest creation would be missed, even when I have a hero casting verdant blessing with Ranu's and an acorn bearer. Another downside is my ideal swaps (Drycha, Durthu, or simply more Hunters) would result in me have access to three artifacts but only taking 2 (and that just feels like a total waste).
Thanks for the summary, @IndigoGirls.
Outside of Gnarlroot, what I'd consider the most competitive builds usually don't include the Ancient. Given that Silent Communion seems like it has failed 80% of the time over my hundreds of games in the last few years, I'm reluctant to view that ability as an argument in favor of the Ancient, but others mileage may vary.
All else equal, I think one drops are still the most competitive for us, although as discussed w/ Vince and Tom, I think a lot of folks will build Dreadwood lists the wrong way, relying too much on alphastrike hammering -- a surefire way to drop one or two games in a 5-game tournament. As more folks play Dreadwood (and other alphastrike builds), more players will understand how to defend against it.
Personally, after playing Gnarlroot since 2016, I'd like to get more experience with 5-7 drops (e.g. with Free Spirits battalion), as well as 10+ drops (with no battalion), and see how well Sylvaneth can do at tournaments without relying on one drops.
Of course, non-one-drop builds need enough screens to defend vs the plethora of alphastrike-capable armies, or in general vs all the builds that hit hard when they come in (e.g., Stormcast, Idoneth Daughters of Khaine, et al.). In that regard, Dryads remain a mainstay, along with Eternal Guard, which at 70 points for x10 are the closest-equivalent option we have to Skinks, and we saw the value in GHB17 (and now in GHB18) of a couple units of 10 Skinks.
In terms of Sylvaneth units:
Buying:
- Alarielle
- Drycha
- Spirit of Durthu
- Branchwraith
- Kurnoth Swords
- Spite-Revenants (saving extra points in a battleline slot can make a difference in list building + Whispers in the Dark is excellent)
Selling:
- Treelord Ancient (outside of Gnarlroot)
- Treelord
- Branchwych (outside of Gnarlroot and Ironbark)
- Kurnoth Bows (can see a case for x3, especially in an Alarielle list where you can summon another x3)
Holding:
- Dryads
- Tree-Revenants
- Kurnoth Scythes (still prefer 2x3 over 1x6 for greater board presence / optionality)
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Had an in-depth look at Sylvaneth in AoS2 on Warhammer Weekly this week. We discuss:
- What units went up or down in value
- Battalions (w/ a breakdown of Dreadwood)
- Stand-out allies
- Counters
Check it out:
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5 hours ago, Japanman said:
Hey guys,
Just bought 4 boxes of Kurnoth hunters. I was thinking of making 6x scythes and 6x bows. Or should I make 6x scythes 3x bows 3x swords. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Yeah I'd highly recommend at least x3 Swords. Just fair warning: Once you play with x3, you're going to want at least x3 more.
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13 hours ago, IndigoGirls said:
Anyone have rough numbers on expected damage from a Durthu vs 6 Scythe Kurnoth hunters? Obviously Kurnoths have way more combined wounds and are 20 pts more. Just trying to get a feel for the damage separation. I'm personally thinking that for pure damage against high armor targets, Kurnoth's will do more. New +1 hit/wound artifact for Durthu is pretty juicy though and might change those numbers a bit.
Don't have numbers. Personal sense is 6 combat Kurnoth were a better buy than Durthu in GHB17, and are an even better buy now.
Taking Ghyrstrike would help, although that's an item slot, a precious resource, and a -1 to hit debuff (or worse) is relatively easy to come by in the game now.
Six Kurnoth Swords (2x3, or maybe 1x6 in Dreadwood for Ambush), in particular, will be amazing vs the majority of units I expect we'll see on the table.
Part of the consideration, as with anything, is list-dependent. E.g., with Alarielle, 2x3 Kurnoth give you two targets for Soul Amphorae, but Durthu gives you a bodyguard for Alarielle to help keep her alive e.g. vs alphastrikes or ranged mortal wounds.
Overall, though, as long as ranged mortal wound output isn't way over the top in the AoS2 meta, I think Durthu will be quite playable, and man would it be fun to give him Ghyrstrike and put him in situations where he has a real chance to shine.
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57 minutes ago, Craze said:
As I am not really experienced, I would love to have some Feedback from more experienced Sylvaneth Players. Also, do you Thing Lifeswarm is worth the try or would you prefer a damage dealing Endless Spell, like e.g. Geminids?
Yeah, a # of the elements you laid out will be part of the baseline for Dreadwood, when the opportunity exists to do an effective alphastrike. I think one of the challenges with your particular list is it needs more punch.
A common pre-GHB18 choice for Dreadwood had been Ambushing 6 Scythes. That's still a pretty good option, although you'll also see lists bumping that # to 9 now. A Spirit of Durthu with Ghyrstrike will likely be another common route.
In terms of a command trait, I've been using Warsinger for a long while instead of Gnarled Warrior because of the significance of +1 to charge, turning our 9+ charges via teleporting into 8+ charges, and of course with Cogs on, that'll be 6+ charges with a command point to RR the charge if needed.
The Celestant Prime is another interesting prospect, because of the unique options he provides, e.g.:
- As another source of long-range D3 mortal wounds with an area of effect up to 6".
- As a reliable piece in an alphastrike. He'll have 3 attacks base in the new Stormcast Battletome (2" reach, 3's and 2's, -3 rend, 3 damage). Also, you'll now be able to use his Orrery ability to change both dice in a charge roll (I think that's right, based on my memory of WH Live over the weekend), so he can auto-charge at 12".
- As a reliable piece in a betastrike, i.e., you keep him in the Celestial Realm round 1, and then you crash him into something important in round 2 (e.g., as a second-wave attack or a counter-strike), giving him 5 attacks + his Sceptre's mortal wound output.
Taking the Prime turns Dreadwood into a 2 drop, but I suspect 2-drop will still out-deploy maybe 8-9 out of 10 opponents in GHB18.
Re: Emerald Lifeswarm...that's a tough one. It definitely has potential. Other choices, though, may give better mileage in more settings. Highly recommend experimenting with a range of endless spells, especially the Pendulum, Geminids, Palisade, Shackles, and Swords. And Cogs + Warsinger is probably going to be standard in a lot of tree lists.
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4 minutes ago, Requizen said:
Anyone know what Andy Bryan and Sam Davies brought?
I think Sam took Les's SCE (Stardrake, 4 Fulminators, etc.), but could be wrong...
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Another tourney where it seems soft scores were a large net positive, especially that brilliant placing with The Black Sunz. It seems exactly what we'd want to hope for with the inclusion of soft scores.
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Greatly enjoying the thread guys! Congrats to @Chris Tomlin and @Sangfroid on Facehammer too.
Played against Ironjawz a couple times over the weekend with the trees. Definitely seemed like they need ally shooting.
Played around with a few lists afterward and thought this one was interesting, attached.
1. 4 Rock Lobbers for quite a bit of no-LOS 44" threat w/ potential for extra attacks on 6+ (or 5+ vs 10+ models).
2. Couple solid heroes for Duality of Death. Maybe Skewer instead on Megaboss on foot but love the damage potential w/ the extra rend.
3. Decent # of units/bodies with some diversity/adaptability.
4 Rock Lobbers (or e.g. 3 Spear-Chukkas) seems like it could change the equation in certain matchups (lists/scenarios), where you could now hang back and potentially do some real ranged damage before exposing many of your units. In that regard, certain lists might decide to alpha-strike in response, but 10 Ardboys + 2x3 Gore-Gruntas should help with screening and keeping folks off the Rock Lobbers and Brutes.
This is all theory, though...just wanted to share some initial ideas. Hoping to get in more games vs the 'jawz this coming weekend, this time w/ more shooting in their list!
PS Allegiance is supposed to be Ironjawz...forgot to change it in Scrollbuilder.
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Really fun following this event on Twitter. A shout out from across the pond to everyone involved in making it happen.
Anyone know Andy Hughes' sylvaneth build? A third place finish looks outstanding given the strength of the field.
Would love to have Andy on the podcast to chat about his experience with the trees at BOBO.
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Q: Are Mortal Wounds considered to be "damage" e.g. for the purposes of substituting a Destiny Dice for a "Damage roll" or for adding up the damage inflicted by a unit of Bloodletters attacking a Stonehorn in melee before halving?
A: Yes.
Hi @Ben Johnson, sorry to pull you in, but the above question ("Can you use Destiny Dice for mortal wounds?") is coming up all the time, and really needs an official answer, especially before AdeptiCon.
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6 hours ago, swarmofseals said:
I'm not particularly concerned about rules bloat (in fact, I think there are a few more rules that should be added to the base rules or at very least matched play rules), and I love the new gryphs.
That said, I think that this is a really bad decision by GW. As most of you surely know, GW has a long history of providing heavier support for factions that are more popular (sometimes to an egregious extent). While this no doubt makes good business sense in the short term, in the long run I think there is a real risk that it will be very bad for the game. I think there are two main reasons for this:
- Seeing other factions get multiple releases before your faction gets updates really pisses players off. I know I shouldn't speak for others here, but this is why I quit WHFB just before 8th edition. I was a Wood Elf player, and I knew I wasn't going to get a lot of support. I fully expected my army book to be among the last to get redone. When 8th edition was announced though, it became clear that I wasn't going to get an update for 7th at all, and in fact many armies that had already been updated in 7th were getting 8th edition books soon after release. I felt this was such a slap in the face and it really turned me off the game. Dwarf, Aelf, and to a lesser extent Death players are no doubt looking at this announcement and slumping in their chairs a bit.
- These sorts of releases strongly encourage power creep. If a faction is well fleshed out in the current system, then current players probably already have fully functional armies built. In order to sell the new models, they have to either look amazing or function better than existing options (preferably both). This impetus is less prevalent for unupdated factions because those factions are already likely to be underperforming (and thus they don't need to be pushed beyond the current level of "competitive") and they are dealing with older sculpts. Players are much more likely to replace old sculpts for purely aesthetic rather than power reasons.
As many people other than me have noted, this strategy very quickly becomes a vicious cycle. If only popular factions get updated regularly, then of course those factions are going to get an increasingly large share of the playerbase. People cite the predominance of space marines in 40k all the time, and frankly it's a terrible look for that game. How much of a turnoff is it for new players to come in to a game and see one faction at nearly every table, getting so much attention? This appearance sends so many bad messages.
Personally, I tend to view AoS as really kicking off ~6 months ago with the release of GHB and the Sylvaneth BT. In that regard, the game is ~6 months old. In that time, it hasn't released anything (except the Lord Veritant) for its main faction. The main faction has lacked a BT reflective of the (new) game for a half-year. So on that level, I can appreciate this up-to-date SCE BT release. And if they're going to do it, I can see the interest in releasing it with a new chamber / new models.
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Here's the link re: community feedback on Ironjawz points:
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totally agree on the Wyldwood note. I really struggle if the opponent feels up the board super fast and I can't get those Wyldwoods out. I got smashed by Stormcast last night (Gabriel & 20 Sequitors, dear lord please) and he did a lot of deep striking and really cluttered the board up, I actually think in games like that I'd be tempted to take the first turn just to put out some defensive wyldwoods. Yes I risk the double turn but I think it's bad either way!
Talon of the Dwindling removed a Kurnoth model every turn.
AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion
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Still haven't played Dreadwood but here's some theoryhammer thoughts. It seems like a build that needs a lot of actual practice to inform list choices.
At the top, I think three common builds will have either 1) Alarielle and Durthu, 2) Alarielle and Drycha, or 3) Durthu and Drycha.
In #2 and #3, you can also add Celestant Prime as a potential high-value betastrike/counterstrike. He seems less interesting as a round 1 alpha, though, since he'll only have 3 attacks. More on him later.
It's tough to know which of those three starting points to choose. They have pluses and minuses.
For Alarielle and Durthu:
Big topic. More soon.