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  1. 9 minutes ago, scrubyandwells said:

    Here's a recent iteration on the prior Gnarlroot build: 

    • Treelord Ancient
      • Gnarled Warrior
      • Ignax's Scales
      • Regrowth
    • Drycha Hamadreth
      • Regrowth
    • Branchwraith
      • Ranu's Lamentiri
      • Verdant Blessing
    • Branchwych
      • Acorn of the Ages
      • Throne of Vines
    • 10 Dryads
    • 5 Tree-Revenants
    • 5 Tree-Revenants
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 6 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Swords
    • Gnarlroot/Household
    • Chronomantic Cogs
    • Balewind Vortex

    Still not in love with that build. It has some clear flaws, e.g.:

    • a fair # of points in utility pieces that die easily (Dryads, Tree-Revs, Spite-Revs)
    • a more-survivable Ancient who will still often fluff shooting and melee
    • a strong reliance on 6 Scythes as the primary combat punch
    • 100 points in utility magic that could still fail to cast
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  2. 18 hours ago, IndigoGirls said:

    Buckle up folks, this is going to be a long post. See above post but here is a non-battalion list I'm going to try. I call it"Look ma, no battalions"

    It's a wrap folks.

    Thanks for the excellent post @IndigoGirls! I agree with most everything you wrote.

    On the Strategic Genius command trait, I don't believe you can select that if you're doing Sylvaneth Allegiance, although maybe someone could correct if that's mistaken?

    Here's a recent iteration on the prior Gnarlroot build: 

    • Treelord Ancient
      • Gnarled Warrior
      • Ignax's Scales
      • Regrowth
    • Drycha Hamadreth
      • Regrowth
    • Branchwraith
      • Ranu's Lamentiri
      • Verdant Blessing
    • Branchwych
      • Acorn of the Ages
      • Throne of Vines
    • 10 Dryads
    • 5 Tree-Revenants
    • 5 Tree-Revenants
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 6 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Swords
    • Gnarlroot/Household
    • Chronomantic Cogs
    • Balewind Vortex

    Couple thoughts on the above:

    • Gnarled Warrior + Ignax's Scales may provide better durability than Ethereal Amulet, at the sacrifice of the +1 from Warsinger combo'ing with Cogs for 6+ teleport charges. Instead, you'll be relying more on Cogs to stay on + relying on 7+ charges with (hopefully) a CP RR, which isn't too bad.
      • In my testing with Ethereal Amulet on Durthu at Siegeworld, mortal wounds were still a consistent problem. If the Ancient has a 3+ save, RR 1's to save, ignore -1 rend, and a 4+ vs mortal wounds via Ignax's Scales, I suspect those elements may provide better return vs a broader range of lists/situations.
    • Ranu's + Verdant stays on Branchwraith, even though not giving her Throne sacrifices Dryad-summoning potential, since I'm just not a fan of trying to cast Verdant on 6+, given how important it usually is to have a reliable means of getting Acorn + Verdant down in round 1. Branchwraith should also often be out of unbind range and still in position to summon Dryads, so I'd rather rely on a 6+ (with +1 from Ranu) for that each round than a 6+ for Verdant.
    • Acorn + Throne stays on Branchwych, but the Balewind has been added for the potential to cast Verdurous Harmony with her while keeping her out of unbind range. Balewind would turn Verdurous' 18" range into 24". The 6 Scythes would be the main target, so if they're mid-table rather than deep in enemy territory, the Branchwych could potentially stay in your backfield out of unbind range while still casting Verdurous onto them with her +D3 from Throne.
    • Potential first-turn order of business for Branchwraith and Branchwych:
      • Branchwych: Acorn > Throne > Cogs > Balewind > up to one more spell
      • Branchwraith: Verdant > Roused to Wrath
    • An additional 5 Tree-Revenants provides another utility unit, e.g., for teleporting into Wyldwoods as a screen with 3 Kurnoth Swords or the Ancient behind them. I'm hopeful the list can get away with only 10 Dryads built-in, with 2x5 Tree-Revs + 1x5 Spite-Revs for early-game screening, especially in a Wyldwood. If it can't, though, an alternative is to swap one of the 5 Tree-Revs and the Balewind for another 10 Dryads + Soulsnare Shackles. 

     

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  3. Just now, scrubyandwells said:

    Amen. That's why at tournaments I usually look anxious and stressed, trying to juggle all the different variables and set things up in the right way. For the most part, the army is very punishing to mistakes. 

    Kind of jealous of the fellow who took Durthu and 18 Scythes to Northern Invasion. Not a fan of spam lists, but that's one of the more straightforward, strong Sylvaneth lists I've seen since they launched in 2016. 


  4. 1 hour ago, AaronWIlson said:

    What I actually meant to say is the army isn't straight forward to play! There is so much going on every turn and I feel like you HAVE to be making use of all the oppurtinites open to you to be playing the army even somewhat competently.

    Amen. That's why at tournaments I usually look anxious and stressed, trying to juggle all the different variables and set things up in the right way. For the most part, the army is very punishing to mistakes. 


  5. 4 hours ago, AaronWIlson said:

    Second 2k list test against Tzeentch was a loss... this army is definately straight forward to play! 13-12 loss on better part of valour. I only lost to it a key double turn but none the lesss still a bitter pill to swallow. The practice carries on next week with games v Maggotkin & Nighthaunt.

    "... this army is definately straight forward to play!" 

    Is that sarcasm, or are you finding the army straightforward to play? :)


  6. Just now, scrubyandwells said:

    Yeah I'm still a little skeptical about Spellweaver. Spending those last 100pts effectively is important.

    She could certainly help vs Everblaze, where you could put her on the line, take first, run her forward, and she should be well-within range for auto-unbind. She could also help vs Nagash builds re: Hand of Dust Spellportal.

    With that said, vs Everblaze, another option is to play more aggressively with some of your units, such that you minimize pieces getting hit, unless your opponent doesn't mind hitting their own. That might compromise bunkering, durability (being in cover in Wyldwoods), and objective play, however.

    Re: Everblaze, I could be overly concerned about its potential impact. (Haven't faced it yet.) It certainly seems problematic, especially when combined with everything else SCE can do at the moment with their undercosted Sequitors, Evocators, and Gavriel, combined with their teleporting pieces.

    Doomfire Warlocks, Archmage, Incantor + Everblaze, and Loremaster (140 is a lot...) are worth a closer look as well.

    Also still interested in testing out 30 Dryads built into Gnarlroot (they certainly seem a solid choice for a better-rounded Dreadwood). They still seem to have a lot of value. It just honestly sucks needing to collect so many damn Dryads, though (from a competitive tournament POV), because of the introduction of summoning, especially when it's another layer on top of allies and the existing incentive to collect multiple ally options, again from a tournament POV.

    Spellweaver is just a piece I'd like to test a fair amount, as it seems difficult to judge her value on paper. It's plausible, though, that you could go to a tournament and keep running into opponents where you're grateful to have at least one auto-unbind.


  7. 3 minutes ago, Craze said:

    @scrubyandwells Thanks a lot for you thoughts and the detailed write-up!

     

    One question: Do you think Spellweaver is the best choice we have in Gnarlroot? What does she add apart from the auto-unbind?

    Yeah I'm still a little skeptical about Spellweaver. Spending those last 100pts effectively is important.

    She could certainly help vs Everblaze, where you could put her on the line, take first, run her forward, and she should be well-within range for auto-unbind. She could also help vs Nagash builds re: Hand of Dust Spellportal.

    With that said, vs Everblaze, another option is to play more aggressively with some of your units, such that you minimize pieces getting hit, unless your opponent doesn't mind hitting their own. That might compromise bunkering, durability (being in cover in Wyldwoods), and objective play, however.

    Re: Everblaze, I could be overly concerned about its potential impact. (Haven't faced it yet.) It certainly seems problematic, especially when combined with everything else SCE can do at the moment with their undercosted Sequitors, Evocators, and Gavriel, combined with their teleporting pieces.

    Doomfire Warlocks, Archmage, Incantor + Everblaze, and Loremaster (140 is a lot...) are worth a closer look as well.

    Also still interested in testing out 30 Dryads built into Gnarlroot (they certainly seem a solid choice for a better-rounded Dreadwood). They still seem to have a lot of value. It just honestly sucks needing to collect so many damn Dryads, though (from a competitive tournament POV), because of the introduction of summoning, especially when it's another layer on top of allies and the existing incentive to collect multiple ally options, again from a tournament POV.


  8. Re: competitive potential, Gnarlroot seems clearer than Dreadwood at the moment. Certain Gnarlroot builds appear to provide more tools. At the same time, I think a # of armies have builds that are closer to the 5-0 orbit than Sylvaneth, with Sylvaneth moving from solid 3-2 orbit to now solid 4-1 orbit, with greater potential for 5-0, but it's still going to be a tough row at mid-to-large-sized tournaments.

    Here's one route that's been in mind for a while, with a lot of potential for variation:

    • Treelord Ancient
      • Warsinger
      • Ethereal Amulet
      • Regrowth
    • Drycha Hamadreth
      • Flitterfuries
      • Regrowth
    • Branchwraith
      • Ranu's Lamentiri
      • Verdant Blessing
    • Branchwych
      • Acorn of the Ages
      • Throne of Vines
    • Spellweaver
    • 10 Dryads
    • 5 Tree-Revenants
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 6 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Swords
    • Gnarlroot/Household
    • Chronomantic Cogs
    • Quicksilver Swords

    Some variation options:

    • Ancient: Gnarled Warrior + Ghyrstrike or Ignax's Scales instead of Warsinger + Ethereal Amulet
    • Drycha: Squirmlings instead of Flitterfuries
    • Branchwraith: Ranu's + Throne of Vines instead of Ranu's + Verdant Blessing
    • Branchwych: Acorn + Verdant Blessing instead of Acorn + Throne of Vines 
    • Spellweaver: Swap in 10 more Dryads or Knight-Azyros for RR 1's to hit vs enemy units <> 10" of Azyros (to help Kurnoth, Ancient, Drycha)
    • Kurnoth Scythes: Split into MSU
    • Quicksilver Swords: Swap Soulsnare Shackles
    • Multiple: Swap Spellweaver, 10 Dryads, and Quicksilver Swords for 5 Spite-Revenants and 20 Eternal Guard
    • Multiple: Swap Spellweaver, 10 Dryads, and Quicksilver Swords for 5 Spite-Revenants and Loremaster
    • Other options: Ishlaen Guard, Morrsarr Guard, Knight-Incantor + Everblaze Comet, Doomfire Warlocks

    I'll send thoughts soon re: why above looks like a solid competitive option for Sylvaneth, although it still seems closer to 4-1 orbit than 5-0.

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  9. 20 minutes ago, Lanoss said:

    @scrubyandwells would love your advice on how to run a competitive Dreadwood army 

    Coming off my two games yesterday I need to play less wrecklessly and not underestimate powerful units and try to pick them apart instead of going head on

    Still haven't played Dreadwood but here's some theoryhammer thoughts. It seems like a build that needs a lot of actual practice to inform list choices.

    At the top, I think three common builds will have either 1) Alarielle and Durthu, 2) Alarielle and Drycha, or 3) Durthu and Drycha.

    In #2 and #3, you can also add Celestant Prime as a potential high-value betastrike/counterstrike. He seems less interesting as a round 1 alpha, though, since he'll only have 3 attacks. More on him later.

    It's tough to know which of those three starting points to choose. They have pluses and minuses. 

    For Alarielle and Durthu:

    • Two anti-horde pieces (on paper).
    • Alarielle's three spells, which adds utility when Realm Spells are in effect.
    • Alarielle's summoning, which adds utility ("Do I most need 20 Dryads, 3 Kurnoth X, or a Treelord in this matchup?").
    • Durthu with an artefact, raising his value (Ethereal Amulet, Ignax's Scales, Doppelganger Cloak, or Ghyrstrike are my top 4 for him).
      • If Ghyrstrike, it would benefit from 1) having Cogs and a reliable way to cast it (i.e. not "relying" on a 7+), and 2) a reliable way to generate x2 Wyldwoods on round 1 in addition to the pre-deploy Wyldwood, so that you establish excellent coverage early for Durthu, Kurnoth, and other combat threats to Navigate Realmroot teleport + then have favorable odds for your teleport charges with Cogs + maybe Warsinger + CP RR.
      • The ability to pull-off teleport charges reliably is part of what makes, e.g., certain Stormcast, Idoneth, and Nighthaunt builds strong right now. Sylvaneth have the same capacity.
      • As mentioned in a prior post, at Siegeworld I was trying out Ethereal Amulet + Mystic Shield + Solemn Guardian on Durthu with Drycha within 6" to benefit from Solemn Guardian. It could've made a difference in a couple games at Siegeworld but I kept forgetting about the rule, having ran a Gnarlroot list for 2 years where it almost never came up. The set up, however, could have merit in Dreadwood with Alarielle and Durthu within 6" of each other for Solemn Guardian, where on a 4+ wounds on her would be re-allocated to Durthu with a 3+ ignore rend save + potentially RR 1's from Mystic Shield, especially since Alarielle has 6 more wounds than Drycha and 2D3 healing + 1D3 for other Sylvaneth units. At the same time, the combo could suffer from a common challenge with Alarielle and Durthu: ~50% of your army will be in one small area on the board.
      • Ignax's Scales (4+ ignore vs mortal wounds) is also tempting on Durthu since he's often the target of enemy mortal wounds. Unfortunately, Solemn Guardian doesn't appear to work with mortal wounds (the rule only says "wounds," not "wounds or mortal wounds"). When thinking about the set of armies you may face at a tournament, Ethereal Amulet vs Ignax's Scales looks like six of one, half a dozen of the other, although the command trait Gnarled Warrior (ignore -1 rend) could be taken on Durthu as your general, which may swing the case in favor of Ignax's Scales, or toward another artefact like Ghyrstrike.
      • Doppelganger Cloak is reasonably compelling, especially as part of a reliable teleport-strike with Cogs (+ potentially Warsinger) and another heavy hitter like Alarielle, Celestant Prime, or 6 Scythes, ensuring (in most instances) two hammer-unit activations before your opponent can strike either of them. At the same time, you're not only relying on Durthu to not whiff his 3+/3+ (assuming he isn't debuffed, which he may be since debuffs are somewhat common now), you're also relying on his base 3+ save + maybe you've skipped Warsinger to give him Gnarled Warrior, along with healing him via Alarielle and Regrowth.
      • On paper, I like the potential of Doppelganger, since it puts more pressure on your opponent to kill Durthu, given the significance of always being able to ensure he can attack in combat before anyone attacks him, which gives you (in principle) an ongoing advantage in the activation game, which may increase your advantage in damage-delivered vs damage-received. Alarielle's command ability can help him as well (once per game, of course), along with Damned scenery or a Knight-Azyros (if you can find 100 points for him), to increase Durthu's to-hit and to-wound reliability. 

    Big topic. More soon.

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  10. On 8/13/2018 at 11:58 PM, Drillz said:

    @scrubyandwells how would you build a non alphastrike dreadwood? Would you be dropping Prime for something else?  I listen to warhammer weekly episode and it seemed to focus on the alphastrike side of dreadwood but less on the non alphastrike. Also looking the past 3 big tournaments dreadwood didn’t seem to be placing that high and people at going for no battalions or gnarlroot or the 1 harvest list. 

    Sorry for missing this originally.

    For a more well-rounded Dreadwood list that doesn't rely on hyper-aggressive play, the main element is to incorporate Dryads for screening and objective play, and to have enough for summoning throughout the game. You can also look at Eternal Guard, which are a cheaper screening option at x10 for 70pts or x20 for 140pts, although you lose the one-drop if you take any Eternal Guard.

    Here's one example:

    • Alarielle
    • Spirit of Durthu
    • Branchwraith
    • 30 Dryads
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 3 Kurnoth Hunters
    • Dreadwood/Outcast
    • 1990

    Alternatively, you could swap Durthu for Drycha, another Branchwraith, and a 20-30pt endless spell.

    Here's one with Eternal Guard:

    • Alarielle
    • Spirit of Durthu
    • Branchwraith
    • Branchwraith
    • 20 Eternal Guard
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 5 Spite-Revenants
    • 3 Kurnoth Hunters
    • Dreadwood/Outcast
    • Chronomantic Cogs

  11. 15 minutes ago, Hankster said:

    Oh wise old treemen and branchywychs!

    I'm new to wargaming and the Age of Sigmar. I've been playing a bit with 1k Ironjawz army and I think I'd like to try the Sylvaneth. The combination of magic and behemoths with area denial/support from wyldwoods looks very interesting tactically. Plus the look damn cool!

     Can anyone suggest a good approach for a novice and where to start with the faction (besides the start collecting box)? 

     Thanks! 

    Welcome!

    If you google "Sylvaneth Spotlight" and "Sylvaneth Faction Focus," you'll find a series of articles on Warhammer Community that should provide a good introduction to the faction: the lore, heroes, units, Wyldwoods, strategy and tactics, and so on. 

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  12. On 8/28/2018 at 12:03 PM, Twh30 said:

    Hi there looking for some opinions on this list

    leaders

    • treelord ancient
    • branchwraith
    • Branchwych 
    • spirit of durthu
    • Battleline
    • tree revenants x5
    • tree revenants x5
    • dryads x30
    • other units
    • kurnoth hunters with swords x3
    • allies
    • akhelian ishlaen guard x3
    • akhelian ishlaen guard x3
    • Household battalion 
    • Gnarlroot wargrove

    now was thinking could take out dryads and add spite revenants plus kurnoth hunters or take dryads and durthu out and add drycha plus another Treelord ancient? Options welcome thank you .

    Looks like a solid list to experiment with. I think Ishlaen Guard are promising in a Sylvaneth list, particularly as a bunker screen in a Wyldwood, giving them a 3+ ignoring rend save. I'd be tempted to do Kurnoth Scythes rather than Swords so that they can be screened in or out of a Wyldwood by Ishlaen Guard or another unit and still swing over the top with their 2" reach. A mainstay of Sylvaneth play is Dryads in a Wyldwood screening Kurnoth Scythes, who then swing over the top. Ishlaen Guard could perform a similar role, although just be careful about Roused by Magic, since Ishlaen would be affected.


  13. 9 hours ago, AaronWIlson said:

    Thank you for the write up @scrubyandwells :D totally agree on the Wyldwood note. I really struggle if the opponent feels up the board super fast and I can't get those Wyldwoods out. I got smashed by Stormcast last night (Gabriel & 20 Sequitors, dear lord please) and he did a lot of deep striking and really cluttered the board up, I actually think in games like that I'd be tempted to take the first turn just to put out some defensive wyldwoods. Yes I risk the double turn but I think it's bad either way!

    Yeah that was another item for the list: our one-drop battalions put more options on the table for us that are missing otherwise, especially the option to take first and alpha-bunker onto objectives within a Wyldwood. I won a lot of games with that basic approach in AoS1. Sylvaneth want to be fighting in and around Wyldwoods most of the time for cover, minimizing enemy footprint, optimizing Roused by Magic and related spells, getting debuffs to hit, and so on.


  14. On 8/24/2018 at 2:07 PM, scrubyandwells said:

    Headed to Siegeworld tomorrow (my first AoS2 event!) for three 2K games on Sat and three at 1K on Sun. 

    Here's the list. Not the best, but wanted to try out some things, especially no one-drop, no Bows, 1x10 TRevs, and Flitterfuries.

    So if I go 0-3, it's all the list's damn fault...of course. 😄

    • Spirit of Durthu
      • General
      • Warsinger
      • Ethereal Amulet
    • Drycha Hamadreth
      • Regrowth
      • Colony of Flitterfuries
    • Branchwraith
      • Acorn of the Ages
      • Regrowth
    • Branchwraith
      • Verdant Blessing
    • 20 Dryads
    • 10 Dryads
    • 10 Tree-Revenants
    • 3 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Swords
    • Free Spirits Battalion

    Re: above, here's some notes on what was learned at Siegeworld last weekend, my first AoS2 event.

    First, it was an enormous amount of fun! Jeff Naumann puts on a wonderful tournament. All my games and opponents were outstanding. It was two events in one: three 2K games Saturday, three 1K games Sunday. I loved the format, although 90 minutes wasn't quite enough for 1K.

    For context, I went this year with an experimental-rather-than-competitive mindset. When you're supposed to be an "expert," it's easy to start thinking you need to "do well" consistently. I'm not a fan of that story (it's rather silly and unhealthy), so forced myself to just throw it out.

    Some experiments included:

    • Taking a toned-down build without much room for summoning additional Dryads (only have 30, which were in the list).
    • Always giving up first turn, if I had fewer drops, and sometimes saying in advance they'll be getting first turn.
    • Not always trying to make optimal choices, e.g., not always going for objectives to force being more on the back foot.
    • Trying out 1x10 Tree-Revenants, skipping one-drop battalions, relying on 6+ Verdant Blessing, etc.

    Some of what was learned: 

    • Time for an updated cheatsheet for AoS2, starting with "Hey dummy, remember you usually don't have to stay on an objective to keep scoring it." My brain kept reverting back to AoS1.
    • As half-expected, 1x10 Tree-Revenants felt like a poor use of 160 points. They were there as a backfield-threat experiment, but they needed to be in combat when no other combats were happening (other combats with higher-priority activations were always happening), since, as always, if you can't activate them first, they'll die to just about anything. At the same time, 1x5 or 2x5 is still a solid bet for Johnny-on-the-spot screening and objective play.
    • In one game, Kurnoth Swords were fighting a combat-build Great Unclean One (GUO), who was on the edge of a Wyldwood. Usually, you want Kurnoth fighting from the comfort of a Wyldwood, giving them a 3+ save + their Tanglethorn Thicket RR. It was proving difficult, though, to keep all 3 in cover and within 1" range to attack the GUO. Kurnoth Scythes, on the other hand, would've managed it with 2" reach.
    • Blight Kings are legitimately terrifying. It was my first time facing a bunch. They were RR'ing hits and wounds and often doing mortal wounds on 6's to hit with Blades of Putrefaction. I knew it was a thing, but experiencing it first hand was horrifying. 
    • Drycha with Flitterfuries was the all-star all weekend. I was also trying her out as a combat piece. Not the best idea, it turned out. Her 4+ to hit and 3+ to wound made her too swingy, especially when combined with the randomness of whether she's mad (Enraged) or sad (Embittered). She won't do much of anything in combat when she's sad, and even when mad, the math isn't favorable, unless she has RRs from somewhere. On the other hand, she was hitting 4-5 units a turn with Flitterfuries. If you can keep her alive for 3 rounds, much less 4 or 5, good lord...her mortal wound output can get crazy (Flitterfuries is especially helpful when facing armies with 5-7-wound heroes, like Nighthaunt). 
    • Ethereal Amulet + Mystic Shield on Spirit of Durthu was a solid combo, as it is with a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon et al. I kept forgetting about Solemn Guardian, though, which could've helped Drycha survive longer, since she was often in combat within 6" of Durthu. With that said, as usual, Durthu was a primary focus for my opponent's mortal wounds, and he largely decided to take the weekend off, as he's wont to do. I'll have to experiment with Ghyrstrike, as well as Ignax's Scales. 
    • The shorter deployment pitch – 9" instead of 12" – on multiple GHB18 scenarios means the pre-deployment Wyldwood can often be placed as a 2-Citadel-Wood-base runway that extends into both deployment zones. So regardless of who chooses deployment sides, you can set up some of your units within 3" of the pre-deployment Wyldwood, such as Dryads or Branchwraiths, in order to trigger their -1 to hit from the start. This also gives you the option to use Acorn of the Ages more aggressively (i.e., up-field), instead of using it as the standard "launchpad" deeper in your deployment zone, since units already deployed within 3" of the pre-deployment Wyldwood can use it as the launchpad. Of course, all of this is situation-dependent.
    • Fighting Alarielle with only 3 Kurnoth Scythes is a terrible idea. Who knew! :) Talon of the Dwindling removed a Kurnoth model every turn.
    • Acorn of the Ages was as valuable as ever, but not having its tag-team partner (Ranu's Lamentiri for a reliable Verdant Blessing) definitely sucked. I kept failing the 6+ cast for Verdant. Having only the pre-deployment Wyldwood + Acorn, especially when you let your opponent go first and they start zoning out the board, certainly can affect Sylvaneth's mobility and resiliency.

    Running out of time...more blathering soon! :) 

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  15. 1 hour ago, scrubyandwells said:
    • Spirit of Durthu
      • General
      • Warsinger
      • Ethereal Amulet
    • Drycha Hamadreth
      • Regrowth
      • Colony of Flitterfuries
    • Branchwraith
      • Acorn of the Ages
      • Regrowth
    • Branchwraith
      • Verdant Blessing
    • 20 Dryads
    • 10 Dryads
    • 10 Tree-Revenants
    • 3 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Swords
    • Free Spirits Battalion

    When the opportunity exists, also interested in trying Spirit of Durthu + Drycha as a combat-threat duo, to try and take advantage of Durthu's Solemn Guardian + Ethereal Amulet + ideally Mystic Shield. On a 4+, wounds to Drycha could be allocated to him, and taken on 3+ ignore rend (+ potentially RR 1's).

    Since the ability says "...causes a wound...," I'm guessing mortal wounds would not trigger Solemn Guardian? Normally the warscroll would say "wound(s) or mortal wound(s)," but this could be an instance of warscroll writing that's incongruent with their more refined, consistent writing in recent battletomes.


  16. 17 minutes ago, Aezeal said:

    Are you set on the acorn? Wouldn't a Ranu's Lamenteri on the Verdant blessing wraith have almost the same reliability for a forest on the first turn but a lot more added use in later turns?

    Why the Durthu and 3 more hunters and not an Alarielle who summons a TL? I really think that in flexibility Alarielle is way stronger due to added magic (3 cast and a damn strong spell), dispel, flying, healing .. well you know it all (I think she'll get a sharp points increase next year if rules are the same).

    After hundreds of games, I've rolled snake eyes or 3 on Ranu's + Verdant enough that I'm leery to gamble again. It shouldn't fail, but it can. Definitely appreciate why folks prefer it, though.

    Also like the potential to get two woods out round 1 re: Acorn + Verdant and keeping caster out of unbind range.

    First version of the list had Acorn on one BW and Ranu's + Verdant on the other, but wanting to try out Ethereal Amulet on Durthu. 

    Unfortunately don't have Alarielle quite yet -- should have her ready to go by October.


  17. 8 minutes ago, scrubyandwells said:
    • Spirit of Durthu
      • General
      • Warsinger
      • Ethereal Amulet
    • Drycha Hamadreth
      • Regrowth
      • Colony of Flitterfuries
    • Branchwraith
      • Acorn of the Ages
      • Regrowth
    • Branchwraith
      • Verdant Blessing
    • 20 Dryads
    • 10 Dryads
    • 10 Tree-Revenants
    • 3 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Swords
    • Free Spirits Battalion

    One variation considered:

    • Put Verdant Blessing on Branchwraith with Acorn of the Ages, and Throne of Vines on the other Branchwraith;
    • Deploy Throne of Vines Branchwraith in a spot where she can stay put, ideally out of unbind range;
    • Cast Throne of Vines, with intention to summon Dryads in succeeding turns with the +D3 to cast (and potentially +D3 to unbind if any enemy Wizards have moved within unbind range).

  18. Headed to Siegeworld tomorrow (my first AoS2 event!) for three 2K games on Sat and three at 1K on Sun. 

    Here's the list. Not the best, but wanted to try out some things, especially no one-drop, no Bows, 1x10 TRevs, and Flitterfuries.

    So if I go 0-3, it's all the list's damn fault...of course. 😄

    • Spirit of Durthu
      • General
      • Warsinger
      • Ethereal Amulet
    • Drycha Hamadreth
      • Regrowth
      • Colony of Flitterfuries
    • Branchwraith
      • Acorn of the Ages
      • Regrowth
    • Branchwraith
      • Verdant Blessing
    • 20 Dryads
    • 10 Dryads
    • 10 Tree-Revenants
    • 3 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Scythes
    • 3 Kurnoth Swords
    • Free Spirits Battalion
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  19. 9 hours ago, AaronWIlson said:

    Treelord Ancient
    Artefact - Ethereal Amulet
    Trait - Gift of Gyhyran
    Deepword Lore - The Reaping
    Drycha
    Deepword Lore - Dwellers Below
    Branchwraith
    Artefact - Ranus Lamentiri
    Deepword Lore - Verdant Blessing
    Branchwych
    Deepword Lore - Regrowth
    Artefact - Acorn of the Ages

    Dryads (30)
    Tree Revenants (5)
    Tree Revenants (5)
    Kurnoth Hunters (6) - Scythes
    Kurnoth Hunters (3) - Bows

    Household Batallion
    Gnarlroot Wargrove

    Yeah that's one of the top "template lists" for Gnarlroot in GHB18, at least if you want to maintain the one drop.

    I think the above version, though, has room for improvement, or at least here's some things to consider: 

    1. Since the above doesn't have Cogs, Warsinger is valuable on Ancient to give you the potential for 8+ charges (w/ command point RR) on your teleports. The +1 charge combined w/ a RR is significant for greater charge-reliability. At the same time, Gift of Ghyran isn't a poor choice.

    2. Personally I'd skip The Reaping and Dwellers Below, take Regrowth for both Ancient and Drycha (giving you greater board flexibility, i.e. you don't have to keep them <> 18" of each other, and if one dies, you'll still have Regrowth), and go with one of the following for the Branchwraith and Branchwych:

    A:

    • Branchwraith - Ranu's Lamentiri + Verdant Blessing
    • Branchwych - Acorn of the Ages + Throne of Vines

    B:

    • Branchwraith - Ranu's Lamentiri + Throne of Vines
    • Branchwych - Acorn of the Ages + Verdant Blessing

    Option A makes Verdant Blessing a lot more reliable, while still giving +1 to cast other spells, especially Roused to Wrath for summoning Dryads, turning it into 6+ (or 5+ with Arcane). And by giving Throne of Vines to the Branchwych, she can focus on replenishing Kurnoth Hunters et al. w/ +D3 to cast on Verdurous Harmony, as well as potentially helping w/ unbinds, since the +D3 applies to unbinding as well. Of course, the +D3 goes away if she moves.

    Option B provides a less-reliable Verdant Blessing and puts more focus on the Branchwraith, but if you want to optimize casting Roused to Wrath or Verdurous Harmony, go this route. You'll be casting Throne of Vines on 3+ (or 2+ w/ Arcane), and then have +1 and +D3 for casting Roused to Wrath or Verdurous Harmony.

    If the list had Cogs, I'd be more tempted by option B, since the Branchwraith could cast three spells. In general, though, option A is the better route IMO.

    3. You may want to test the 1x6 Scythes in scenarios w/ a lot of objectives, like A Better Part of Valour, Scorched Earth, and Focal Points. While the single activation can be invaluable, the greater board presence/flexibility of 2x3 Scythes has been more consistently relevant in my experience. 

    4. I think there's a strong argument for running 1x3 Swords over 1x3 Bows.

    Good luck!

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  20. 1 hour ago, Popisdead said:

    On they latest S&Ws podcast there was mention of Ben Johnson stating there are more waves for Deepkin, Sylvaneth and someone else.  They speculated the idea of using the beetle and swarm motif more in the range. 

    If there was a mention of more waves for existing armies by a key person at GW the picture could align with the guess of a bug-like unit.

    Thanks for listening!

    Just for reference, it wasn't Ben (GW staff can't talk about future releases), it was those up-to-no-good rumormongers here on TGA. :)

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  21. 5 hours ago, King Taloren said:

    Yeah, 240+ wounds with 5+ Disgustingly Resilient on most of it is really hard to displace especially when he can get a lot of them onto objectives in turn 1. and just keep out bodying almost everything else for scoring.

    I'm excited for Siegeworld to try out their house rule that objectives are scored by total wound count rather than total model count. On paper, I think that could be a nice way to make low-model count lists a little more competitively viable vs armies like Nurgle, Legions of Nagash, Nighthaunt, and so on that can flood objectives with a lot of (resilient/replenishing) bodies.

    Personally, its always seemed inconsistent and inelegant to score objectives by model count. 

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  22. On 8/13/2018 at 11:58 PM, Drillz said:

    @scrubyandwells how would you build a non alphastrike dreadwood? Would you be dropping Prime for something else?  I listen to warhammer weekly episode and it seemed to focus on the alphastrike side of dreadwood but less on the non alphastrike. Also looking the past 3 big tournaments dreadwood didn’t seem to be placing that high and people at going for no battalions or gnarlroot or the 1 harvest list. 

    I'll follow up with some thoughts soon. To be honest, I still have a hard time seeing Dreadwood as one of our strongest tournament choices, at least in a competitive field; but that may reflect my lack of experience with it vs its actual potential. Usually when writing Dreadwood lists, I see clear flaws, and lists that will have a difficult time vs a lot of the top-end.


  23. 23 hours ago, IndigoGirls said:

    @scrubyandwells If you've got the time I'm interested in your opinion. I really want to swap the TLA for more reliable damage (those sweeping blows, especially when wounded feel awful) but I'm very reluctant to miss out on a woods generator... The re-roll 1's doesn't feel super relevant for my list either but that 4+ forest creation would be missed, even when I have a hero casting verdant blessing with Ranu's and an acorn bearer. Another downside is my ideal swaps (Drycha, Durthu, or simply more Hunters) would result in me have access to three artifacts but only taking 2 (and that just feels like a total waste).

    Thanks for the summary, @IndigoGirls.

    Outside of Gnarlroot, what I'd consider the most competitive builds usually don't include the Ancient. Given that Silent Communion seems like it has failed 80% of the time over my hundreds of games in the last few years, I'm reluctant to view that ability as an argument in favor of the Ancient, but others mileage may vary. :)

    All else equal, I think one drops are still the most competitive for us, although as discussed w/ Vince and Tom, I think a lot of folks will build Dreadwood lists the wrong way, relying too much on alphastrike hammering -- a surefire way to drop one or two games in a 5-game tournament. As more folks play Dreadwood (and other alphastrike builds), more players will understand how to defend against it.

    Personally, after playing Gnarlroot since 2016, I'd like to get more experience with 5-7 drops (e.g. with Free Spirits battalion), as well as 10+ drops (with no battalion), and see how well Sylvaneth can do at tournaments without relying on one drops. 

    Of course, non-one-drop builds need enough screens to defend vs the plethora of alphastrike-capable armies, or in general vs all the builds that hit hard when they come in (e.g., Stormcast, Idoneth Daughters of Khaine, et al.). In that regard, Dryads remain a mainstay, along with Eternal Guard, which at 70 points for x10 are the closest-equivalent option we have to Skinks, and we saw the value in GHB17 (and now in GHB18) of a couple units of 10 Skinks.

    In terms of Sylvaneth units:

    Buying:

    • Alarielle
    • Drycha
    • Spirit of Durthu
    • Branchwraith
    • Kurnoth Swords
    • Spite-Revenants (saving extra points in a battleline slot can make a difference in list building + Whispers in the Dark is excellent)

    Selling:

    • Treelord Ancient (outside of Gnarlroot)
    • Treelord
    • Branchwych (outside of Gnarlroot and Ironbark)
    • Kurnoth Bows (can see a case for x3, especially in an Alarielle list where you can summon another x3)

    Holding:

    • Dryads
    • Tree-Revenants 
    • Kurnoth Scythes (still prefer 2x3 over 1x6 for greater board presence / optionality)
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  24. Had an in-depth look at Sylvaneth in AoS2 on Warhammer Weekly this week. We discuss: 

    • What units went up or down in value 
    • Battalions (w/ a breakdown of Dreadwood)
    • Stand-out allies 
    • Counters

    Check it out: 

     

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