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  1. 6 minutes ago, Overread said:

    1) Far from taking away a choice its actually giving players a choice by limiting them. See without any limits there would be no reason not to take a banner on every unit and an instrument on every unit. Sure you'd have to convert and sure it would look rather silly, but it would be perfectly legal and you'd have no mechanical reason not to take the unit like that. Gameplay wise you'd not be choosing to take those updates nor choosing where to put those models on the table to best minimise their loss; you'd just be playing the unit at its basic minimum.

    I don't get entirely what you are trying to say here. I take it you saying that players would be compelled to model for advantage making every model a standart bearer or musician just to remove the possibility of losing them? Because that doesn't really compell me. There are cases in AoS where I really feel the rules as written force players to build their units a certain way to not actively hamstring themselves and I agree those are an issue. But I really don't see this a case of that. All in all, since the controlling player is in charge of removing models, its pretty hard to loose your musician and standart bearer until the very end. Overall, compared to the gameplay advantage, the modelling or financial effort of doing this is disproportionate and I can only see the sort of player usually referred to as "that guy" doing so purely for the advantage. You know, the sort of player that isn't fun to play against no matter the rules. Most certainly I don't see anybody compelled to stick surplus musicians in their units purely for the rules benefit, bar the cases where there are multiple different options for banners/musicians, for which I've proposed a softer "fix" above.

    6 minutes ago, Overread said:

    2) As I noted above, visually its daft; mechanically its daft and lore wise its also rather daft.

    Whether it is mechanically daft is already discussed under your point 1).

    As to what is lore wise and visually daft, that is up to the individual player when it concerns their own army and collection and no one else.

    I see a lot of conversions, count-as, homebrew background, even some paintschemes and proposedly fluffy (non-competitive) army compositions I'd personally consider daft in one or both of these cathegories. But I sure as hell go railing against it or want GW to rewrite the rules to "fix" that. Because this is the players decision and I want that same freedom.

     

    I don't usually put more than one of each musician and standart bearer in my units. But I do have some ideas for mortal Slaanesh where I would want to go the route of putting an excess of musicians and banner bearers into a unit or two. Because I think in that particular case I'd consider it entirely appropiate for a deranged bacchanal horde and for me it would break up the tedium of regular horde building.

     

    The worlds of Warhammer being filled so to the brim with theatrics and lunacy, I would imagine there are other players who would want to do similar and the rules of AoS have supported that for a few years now.

     

     

    It seems strange to argue about this, it is not a huge issue by itself. But the general idea of restraining modelling options just to make the game more "tidy" to some sensibilities, seeing how the issue in question is not gamebreaking and will rarely if ever play a role in deciding a win or loss,  just rubs me the wrong way. I am deeply rooted in the parts of the hobby of making the minis our own and I am always concerned when I see GW doing anything to move away from that.

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  2. 3 hours ago, bsharitt said:

    So it looks like the Lord Slaanesh on damonic mount is now no longer available on the US store(i.e. not just temporarily out of stock). I suppose it's possible that he's just going to get rebased, but it's an old metal model that really looks outdated. Maybe the previewed Slaanesh releases weren't all they planned.

    If they do, they bettermake a replacement instead of just kicking out the unit. I'd sorely miss the old boobsnake. Besides, though dated, it is still a stylish champion and one that, due to there not having been a lot of Slaanesh mortal miniatures since the RoC era ones went oop, been rather iconic to how Slaaneshi mortals look.

    There'd still be the generic Slaves Lord on Daemonic Steed to fall back to, but then such a move could forespell his eventual demise as well.

    2 hours ago, Overread said:

    Also I think the majority of people were either 1 in every 10 (or box) or just 1 per unit in the real world. The rules were just lazily written in that regard originally. Personally I'd rather it was 1 per unit (save for some exceptions where, say, multiple banners would make sense) just like the leader for the unit. That way it visually looks sensible. It just looks really odd even with a unit of 30 if you've got 3 banners flying around. 

    I don't see a problem with the "as many as you want" approach to musicians and banner bearers. Bar the few cases where units can have different banners (which could be fixed by saying these units could contain only one type of banner) there is no mechanical reason to have more than one of either, but it does give players the option to do it anyway for their own option.

    I'm no fan of taking away options from players for so small a gain.

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  3. Release schedule whise, I think we've got the Shadespire warbands, Killteam:Elites and the Blackstone Fortress expansion before Hedonites. Forbidden Power quite likely as well. That would place the Hedonites pre-order some time around/just before the next big preview at Warhammer Fest.

  4. 2 minutes ago, bsharitt said:

    I'm going to guess a new Fabius Bile and we'll see the Emperor's Children get the same treatment as the Thousand Sons and the Deathguard.

    Would make sense, except Fabius Bile left the Emperors Children behind after the heresy and would remain in Codex:Heretik Astartes  when EC's get their own. Could still be they release him along the other EC's, either as an independent release or with some new lore of him being brought back into the fold, but it's far from certain.

  5. I'd be shocked if there wasn't a special character build for the KoS. They've got a band to complete there.

    But I wouldn't bet on it being N'kari. Both Rotigus was a complete unknown. I'm not entirely sure when Scarbrand cropped up, I think he spend some time with rules but no model? Either way, there where far more established Bloodthirster around, like Ka'Bandha, when he was first introduced as well.

     

    All in all they seem to go for a appearance distinct from other Greater Daemons of their kind for the SCs and N'kari was always described as a rather generic KoS in appearance. Does carry a fancy stick, iirc, but that hardly competes with torn of wings, two heads or a face growing out of an arm for the recognition value.

  6. It's not directly AoS news, but next week only the Lord Discordant goes up for preorder. That means they are saving up the Executioner and Dark Apostle for the week after.

    So they are really, really stretching out the CSM release. After the quick rollout of stuff at the start of the year, to me that seems like an indicator that they are at their production limit again, so miniature releases in general might be coming more slowly in the near future.

     

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  7. Just now, Turgol said:

    Tzeentch is really low on humanoid mortals as well. I hope that ghey will at least have one aesthetic type of mortals, like acolytes.

    True, but they got the Tzaangor to compensate a bit. Really, as far as mortals go, only Khorne is spoiled for choices, for the other Slaves are still a go to if one wants to go mortal heavy.

  8. 1 minute ago, Riavan said:

    I agree, a few armies really need 1/2 more troop options.

    WIth slaanesh, I dont think any of these are mortals? - except the one refered to as a demon prince (who will be both, like most demon princes are). I think they are all demons.

    Khorne, tzeentch and nurgle all have quite big demon armies like these too (before you consider their mortal side exclusives).

    Yep, not a single true mortal in sight. And Slaanesh only has one unit and two heroes currently that aren't daemons.

  9. 2 minutes ago, Turgol said:

    Slaanesh looks awesome. I wish though that KoS would have a version with bull head. It probably will!

    Though so too. But if you look closely, that actually is a blend of bovine and humanoid right there. Still, I'm hoping for a full bull for nostalgia sake.

    I might have to behead my beastmen taurus spell.

  10. Chaos gods damn it, this is the second time in two days a lengthy Warhammer post I was writing  was eaten by the whims of technology (page reloads for a new post on the next page and the editor restored an ancient post of mine instead of the one I was writing). Here's a still lengthy retry.


     

    I really feel bad for Fyreslyers fans (and FEC before). Sure, a new battletome and the usual stuff might help compete. But modelwhise Spells and terrain is not what those extremely limited ranges need.
     

    Warcry is looking better and better. Warband customization seems to be a go. Warbands are confirmed to be Realm based and look to be undivided. One Realm gets left out, my bet is Gyran as I seem to remember reading that all surviving mortals there fell to Nurgle. If Iron Golems get Dwarves and Ogors, I wonder if some of the others get non-human additions as well. Maybe some Gor for the Ghur warband?
     

    Slaanesh: Love the KoS, but the release looks like it is all about the deamons and I am least interested in those, apart from the Greater ones. It does make lore sense, there may not be so many mortal followers left with the god disappeared, but still not my cuppa. Hoping to be wrong, but don't think I'll be. Looks like it won't be long to the release.

     

    Forbidden Power: Really overshadowed by the rest. Lore looks neat. Endless Spells too, but they are starting to overstay their welcome a bit at this point.


     

    Last I think GW is once again breaking the pattern there with the Slaanesh release. After Thousand Sons to Disciples and Deathguard to Maggotkin it was starting to look like they had a predictable pattern for Chaos releases. One could have even have thought they'd repeat it with Black Legion-Slaves to Darkness/Darkoath. Nope. Now AoS Slaanesh gets a release before there is a 40k one. In addition its the first "proper release" not connected to a Malign Portents herald. I'm even wondering if the Darkoath where actually previews for Warcry, not an army. Or maybe they only do them after all Warcry warbands are released to include them in the BT?


     

    What I find really interesting is that they have only previewed daemons for Slaanesh, which should all be 40k too, and yet purely bill it as an AoS release. Maybe there is more to it than shown after all... Scratch that, it is actually under a Realms of Chaos header. Still not very hopeful for mortals and beasts though.

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  11. 1 hour ago, Overread said:

    Skaven better be in it - I can think of no better race for Munchkin than Skaven! :)

    Maybe not Skaven, but in fact I suspect the non-Khorne warband might not be undivided but horned rat affiliated, with GHR influenced humans somewhat teased in Malign Portents.

    With six (initial) warbands teased and four all but guaranteed to be dedicated to the big four and one likely undivided, I really don't see any stronger candidate for the last.

     

    Edit: On second look, the "Khorne" warband does not seem to have a single Khornate icon. So I guess these might not have any specific god affiliation at all.

    Realms seem likely at this point, though that raises the question which Realm gets left out aside from Azyr. I'd guess Hiysh, we know it got overrun and should have its own Chaos tribes like all the others, but GW has been the most tight lipped with info on it out of all the Realms and seem to hold it back for future developements.

    Could also be the tribes are divided along completely diffent lines from the known and usual (like what Age of Myth civilisation they formed from).

  12. Other than loads and loads of barbarians on foot (just the Shadespire warband gives us greatweapons, javelins and bows for weapon options and I'd hope for handweapon and shield as well), there really isn't much I would expect from Darkoath. Like others have said, it almost seems like a given there'd be some big beast with a howda.

     

    There are some things I'd like to see, but that is wishlisting, mostly I'd like a Darkoath specific variation of the warshrine theme (I'd like to see  more variations of that in general, can't believe there never was a 40k warshrine Land Raider).

    As discussed a few pages back, I'd love to see new Chaos Warriors, wether as new variants, re-do of the plastic kit or just plastic Chosen.

    And more than anything else I hope for none of the markable options to be removed from Slaves (which will most likely come tied up with Darkoath) as I'd hate to see parts of monogod armies invalidated or forsed into unwieldy Beast style batallions.

     

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  13. Sadly they did not go far back enough on the skaven for me. I might have gone for some of the truly ancient ones, like the original Grey Seer or the champion with musket, but the hope to see those where slim to begin with.

     

    Its not that they haven't done some very venerable miniatures with their print on demand, the original assassin comes to mind. But it has been very rare and I suspect it hinges on the condition of the moulds, many of which may no longer be usable.

  14. 20 minutes ago, Kurrilino said:

    May i ask why?

    A big part is that they have defined the look for Chaos for so long, it has become hard for me to do without them.

    Then there's the thing that Chaos Warriors and their menacing full plated look is just one of THE iconic Games Workshop designs, quite likely the original one even. It is hard to imagine that they would abandon that when so much of AoS has been focused on expanding on iconic designs and turning them into their own factions where they weren't already.

    I'll freely admit that another part is simple nostalgia. When I first got my introduction to Chaos they where mostly Chaos Warriors and Beastmen, with some demon and monster support, and even though that was just for a short time all things considered, it just got stuck in my head (though Chaos Warriors remained the poster boys of Chaos until the Endtimes).

     

    20 minutes ago, Kurrilino said:

    In my opinion they really need a counterpart to Stormcast now.

    Kind of ironic, considering Stormcast are pretty much an Order counterpart of Chaos Warriors. The statlines even match, its just that Chaos is saddled with a kit for Chaos Warriors that was made for ranking up and looks quite unimpressive next to Stormcast and much of the lore and releases since the start of AoS has been on other servants of Chaos, so the point does not really sink in.

    I thought that, with Khorne getting Blood Warrior, every god would get their own Warrior variant, but so far that expectation proved wrong. Tzeentch got no armoured warriors at all, while Blightkings are too far from the plate armoured look and really closer to Chosen or even Champion level.

     

    I can see a good point to stepping back from Chaos Warriors for a bit so AoS can establish itself as its own thing and to develope newer elements first.

    But completely doing away with them or ignoring them forever would be like removing Greater Demons to me.

  15. 1 hour ago, Ungface said:

    New entire Chaos Warrior line. They are iconic enough to deserve it and should look and play the equals of stormcast.

    I would love this. To me a Chaos army without a backbone of proper Chaos Warriors still looks wrong.

    Not very confident it will happen though.

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  16. 3 hours ago, Overread said:

    I figure the big 40K Release with Abbadon is going to be a 2 week affair. There's a sprinkling of marines, but it sounds like a lot of new kits for Chaos as well as a fair few reworked ones as well as brand new. That to me suggests it could be spread out over two weeks as GW Tends to break up a big release like that. It makes it a lot easier for them to stock if they've got it spread out. 

     

    I'm thinking more like 2-3 months total (possibly drawn out through the year if Shadowspear is not directly followed by the full releases, which is likely if it is not etb) with other releases interspersed (Nekromunda, Killteam, Underworlds and AoS Battletome updates without major miniature waves), basically what we got with the 8th edition 40k and Soulwars starters the last two years. The new marines look about the size of a Stormcast Chamber release while the CSM + Abaddon look like they easily could go up to Deathguards amount.

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  17. 14 hours ago, JackStreicher said:

    It‘s the Strigoi Vampire on Terrorgheist (basemesh) simply reposed with one small wing and a shoulder pad added =}

    plus added details to the head.

    Sorry, but this is just plain wrong.

    If you put them side by side, they actually have got a very different body structure, with different proportions and very different muscle definition (particularly on the arms, the older model is far more defined). The head does not just have details added, it is a completely different head, again, with an entirely different structure. Overall, the archregent is rather bulky with a muscular top-heavy phenotype, while the old Ghoul King is rather lean. The only part that could feasibly be reused is the legs and feet and that is far from certain.

    A few of your other assertion just do not hold up either. The horse endless spell certainly is no reused old asset, there is currently no undead horse like it. It was quite likely made from the same basis as the spectral steeds of the Nighthaunt line, but the difference is still quite a bit. The three horses are not the same asset just copied three times either, they actually differ from each other in the detail.


     

    I get being upset over FEC staying so limited as a line, endless spells and terrain are nice to have, but hardly what the army really needs. But your accusation that the new stuff is lazy, cheap and easy to make just does not hold any water.

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  18. FEC could really use some more units and skaven some updates or replacements, but overall this is looking really good.

    Love the Gnawholes and Endless Spells for both sides. I am in no position to start Skaven right now, but I'll try to pick up the Battletome, should be some juicy art and lore in there.

    Considering they just dropped the second wave of GSC, two Battletomes with terrain and Endless Spells and Carrion Empires in one week I am really curious what is up next and how long they'll keep up the pace like this.

    The only thing remotely previewed and not released at this point is the last two Nightvault Warbands and even those have only been shown as art so far. Though the future sure looks Chaosy, with Darkoath, Chaos Space Marines and Slaanesh being thebiggest contenders for the next big releases.

  19. 18 hours ago, SlaaneshCultist said:

    Theory: The Ruination Chamber will be made up of all the Stormcasts who have been reborn so many times they have lost all humanity but gained strange abilities and are now essentially little more than daemons of lightning and order. Dangerous and unstable but powerful.

     

    16 hours ago, Hoseman said:

    Is this something viable??

    In 40k Blood Angels have something similar in the Death Company, so I consider it quite viable and hold the same theory for quite a while now.

    Adding to that, the other likely interpretation, that it would be the chamber of warmashines, went out of the window when the Sacrosanct included the Ordinators and a war engine.

    They might be less angelic/daemonic than SlaaneshCultist describes, but the idea that the dehumanisation of the reforging will progress to a point where the afflicted can no longer be fielded within the regular formations seems almost inevitable.

     

    26 minutes ago, Ghark said:

    Rumour Engine for this week :

     

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    Looks like an insect wing?

    The teaser calls it "something to wet the appetite" which might point to FEC. I think it might be a cloak rather than wings. Pointed ends like this are a somewhat common element on Death cloth and armor, though the cloaks tend to be more frayed than this looks from the small bit shown.

     

    I definitely place this in GA:Death and I can't see Death getting more than FEC and maybe a season three Shadespire band this year, so I think this indeed foretells more FEC to come with a Battletome. Of couse, I already thought FEC would get more kits, as right now they are just to small a faction to warrant a modern Battletome, so I am entirely biased.

     

    It doesn't look like the current Vespids and I would think GW would have waited with Kroot Killteam rules if they had new stuff for them in the Pipelines. On the other hand "wet your appetite" fits them quite well.

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  20. 18 hours ago, alghero81 said:

    Deathrattle and Deadwalkers existed before LoN and they are also mentioned in the Souls Wars book as separate factions. May mean nothing but worth noting...

    I am well aware that Deathrattle, Deadwalkers and Deathmages existed as seperate faction before (and still sort of do, just without any allegiance effect whatsover). However, lately I have mostly seen them grouped together and at the very least Deathmages and Deadwalker would be pretty hard pressed to fill out an entire current day battletome.

    I would have liked to see Deathrattle by themselves, as I really liked their lore in early AoS, but if they get grouped with the other two like Gloomspite Gitz or Beasts of Chaos treated their factions, that should be alright.

     

    More than anything, I want to see something completely new for Death and something that makes more use of the design elements of the Endtimes Models, old Tomb Kings and recent decorative art pieces than of the old Vampire Counts aesthetics. So more glorious visions of the power of Shyish or the faded Age of Myth less gothic horror, rusted weapons and thrown together gear (Chaos and Destruction already do plenty of the latter two already). But if we ever see something like that, it looks right now like it would be way, way of on the timescale.

  21. Very happy about this round of reveals.

    The Skaven vs. FEC boxed set and announcement of more to come is very good news, not just for players of those factions, but also as a clear indicator that armies composed of older models and those that got a 1st edition Battletome can see further support in relatively close time.

    Two heroes being the only new models probably means the box is very close to being released (I think at least the preorder is this month). It will be interesting to see how far out the Skaven and FEC Battletomes are from the boxed set. Going by the experience with Forgebane and Tooth and Claw we can see that the closer an army release is to such a boxed set, the less new miniatures come with it. Necron and Space Wolves books came right behind their boxed sets and got no further new miniatures. Knights came relatively close after Forgebane and got a few kits. GSC are a fair bit after their box and evidently get a lot.

    So I wonder if it will be again one army with no further new miniatures and one expanded or both get only the tome,spells, terrain treatment or both get expansions. If only one gets further new kits, I'd bet its FEC. They just have not enough kits and options compared to all other armies and there is no Death faction left they could really be folded in with, Gloomspite style. If there is further kits for FEC, then I think we will finally see Ushoran in miniature form. He is a big part of their lore and all but stated to still be around. Also, GW can't seem to release factions for AoS without them having some form of "Top Dog" special Character and for FEC it could be no other.

    Skaven on the other hand, could theoretically just be reintegrated into a single faction and have a pretty solid standing, though everyone always wants new models and I really couldn't see such a major player getting nothing new at all.


     

    I think at this point it is worth looking back at which factions got allegiance abilities in the GHB 2017. When that book was released GW said these where the armies slated for further attention. Since then Nighthaunt got a major army release, Soulblight where integrated with LoN (but kept their own allegiance) and Brayherds where turned back into BoC with that tome. Slaves to Darkness are looking at an update with Darkoath and GW has all but confirmed Slaanesh for this year. And now we get a FEC vs Skryre with GW saying there is more to come (which at least means Battletome). This leaves Ironjaws and Fyreslayers (whom we have gotten rumors might see a second wave), Seraphon and Pestilenz for 1st edition armies and on the legacy faction side Dispossessed, Free Peoples, Wanderers and Darkling Covens.

    This makes the four legacy armies very interesting. I think Slyvaneth are looking at a second wave (there have been a few rumors and the Shadespire warband includes new types of tree revenants), in which case Wanders could rejoin them.

    I could also see Free Peoples and Disposessed (with maybe a few mortal human stragglers) being released in one Battletome spearheaded (just as Moonclan spearhead Gloomspite) by the Ironweld Arsenal, who got a lot of Lore Attention and seem to be the main mortal army of the Free Cities. But I could also see free peoples coming absolutely last, as a combination of all Order factions not covered elsewhere (would be last so as not to spoil who joins Tyrion and Malerion).

    This leaves the Darkling Covens. I think nobody would be surprised if they have been working for Malerion all along, though they may not make up the heart of his factions release.


     

    Depending on how much GW reshuffles factions, we might see all remaining faction covered by a Battletome much sooner than we think (I was thinking it'd take them a decade). Death is already completely covered (particularly after a second FEC Volume), though I could see legions broken apart into Soulblight and Necromantic Hosts later down the line. And if all Skaven are covered in one Tome, Chaos will be completely covered by the end of the year (provided Everchosen/Slaves/Darkoath pick up stragglers like Slaughtbrute, Demon Prince and Soul Grinder).

    Ironjawz might pick up a few other Destruction factions, as might Grotback Skuttlers if they ever happen.


     

    Looking back at all this, it seems easier to predict what will have to wait a while longer than what will come in about the next one and a half years. Everything is pointing at Ogres and Elves of Tyrion being the furthest out. Seraphon and Skaven may also have a long wait ahead (provided they get a terrain plus endless Spells Battletome). It does not look to promising for Death factions beyond FEC anytime soon (considering I expected no new Death in 2019 at all, that is still not to bad).


     

    That said, GW has never been easy to predict´and with them cranking up their pace more and more it is only becoming harder. I am sure I will turn out to be hilariously wrong on at least one thing.

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  22. The herald completely sold me on W&R. The only thing I do not like about it is the hair, imo it detracts from the daemonic otherworldliness of the miniature. Easy to fix though and some happy elf or vampire will have a fancy hairdo waiting for them as a bonus, so its all good.

    Considering I really like the fiends as well, I am now very curious how the KoS and any Mortal support (not to forget the Emperors Children) will turn out.

  23. Can't say I'm fond of the new direction on Khorgors. They have been going oldschool on so many things and I am quite fond of the Realms of Chaos Dog-Soldier look. Those Renegades though. Perfect.

    All in all Blackstone Fortress is a must buy for me.

     

    On the AoS front, Wrath and Rapture and the Darkoath Warband look quite good. Not to fond of how cartoonish the hair is sculpted, but I was going to change that anyway.

    Curious to see what else comes in W&R, looks like cavalry for each side will be the only old models, so compared to the likes of Tooth and Claw, there is actually quite a bit of space left.

  24. 4 minutes ago, PJetski said:

    Probably a Rogue Trader model in another useless Kill Team expansion

    I would not call Rogue Trader useless. Overpriced compared to the miniature/sprue amount in comparable sets and disappointing in rule and lore content, but not useless.

    Anyway, if it is a Rogue Trader mini, I think it would be for Blackstone Fortress, so Warhammer Quest 40k, not Killteam. However, I am more inclined to think it is a AoS, as Roguetraders are a bit more on the sleek side. This has almost an Empire from the World-That-Was vibe, from what I can see.

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