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8 minutes ago, Nezzhil said:

 

Hope this mini doesn't replace arch-warlock as it is far from being as cool as him.

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I wonder if Lumineth won't undergo the same purification as SCE did. In time of course. After River Elves they might start reworking Alarith which alack didn't have a fine reception.

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As a long time SCE hater I want to say that Reclusians look really well. They will be difficult to paint.

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First impression is negative, especially as I'm an OBR player. Don't like this idea of resetting and restricting everything. I also enjoy that some heroes in 3.0 can generate points, while others can prevent their opponent from obtaining them. First games will tell whether or not this decisions were correct.

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3 hours ago, Garrac said:

Suposed new leaks. 

If GW would really discontinue Underworlds it would be another heavy strike for their credibility.

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8 hours ago, Magnusaur said:

I can sort of see where the people wanting a more over-the-top/craz/extravagant/AoS-ified style Clanrat are coming from. A couple of years ago, I would have said the same thing. If Seraphon ever were to get a refresh, I figured they'd be clad in full aztech scale armor and shooting lasers out of every ******. The first or so edition of the game kind of seemed like it was going for a the-crazier-the-better style.

I feel that changed with the release of 3rd edition - and the Soulblight Gravelords preceding it. The lore's still plenty crazy, don't get me wrong, but it does feel like GW has decided to lower the baseline a little. New Saurus still look mostly like the old, except for some fancier shields. Kruleboyz, Deathrattle, Nighthaunt, and now Clanrats all look dirty and grounded. Same with Steelhelms.

I'll admit it took me a while to "come to terms with" - I say, as if knowing the future. Kharadron Overlords was the first army that peaked my interest in the game, an army that made me go "now there's something you wouldn't have seen in WHFB." I figured every army would be like that. Subversive, tropebending, over-the-top.

GW are trying to strike a balance between pushing the envelope and catering to the old. On top of that is of course the very real argument that the basic foot soldier of an army should be a mostly blank canvas that can be expanded on. I remember an old Voxcast where Jes Goodwin talked about scaling back the average Primaris Intercessor, because they needed to "save some" for the lieutenants, captains, and so on.

Arguably, this is even more true with Skaven, a race of dirty ratmen where the chasm between the leaders and the grunts (aka everyone else) is much wider than, say, Stormcast. And even Stormcast have sort of been scaled back, just compare the practically frugal use of Sigmar-y iconography on the new Liberator vs. the old. 

Having said that, I would love to see some kind of 1-in-5 weapon for the Clanrats. Something to push them a bit more toward the extreme. Like a stick of dynamite that blows the bearer up or an unwieldy weapon that is as likely to kill other Skaven as it is enemies.

Yes, exactly.

AoS at some point was about breaking clichés. Dwarfs (KO) being one of the most mobile armies, Elves (Alarith build, LRL) being very tough and heavy, Skeletons (OBR) as an elite army with tough troops or some craziness in form of blind elves supporting other elves riding flying fish. That is something that wouldn't fit WFB or LOTR.

Then GW decided to tune things down. Soulblight aside from unit or two could easily fit most fantasy settings. Seraphon look just as an improved version of old sculpts. With clan rats it's the same.

I kind of wanted to see more original stuff rather than yet another sturdy dwarfs, swift elves and stupid orks.

Maybe more crazy stuff will come with firearms side of the Skaven.

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By more AoSification I mean more crazy models like Warlock Bombardier, Stormfiends, Hell Pit Abomination or Thanquol. They clearly stand out. But in the rumour there were some unit names that promise a bit of madness.

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Too ordinary. Probably that's the intention but they lack "AoSification" for me. Maybe clan specific models will be more original.

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New warscrolls look really clear. Using colours for phases makes it harder to miss a skill on your unit. 

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I wouldn't be surprised if GW changed its mind and said they are sorry due to the rage across all social media. 

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29 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

Now that we were convincing you about SCE...

Bad timing indeed. What was the expiration date on the new chamber again? 😉

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I guess today GW lost a lot more than it seems at first glance. They lost trust. Customers will now think twice before buying anything that is old enough that might get hammered. I sure will be careful with my expenditures.

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I can't imagine how miniatures can resemble such negative feelings to make you cast your army into fire. Totally, across 8 years I've probably spent like 400-500 hours on this hobby. Buying, assembling, playing, reading the lore and above all painting. I would consider it a self disrespect to just throw it away. Even if any of my models will no longer be supported with rules I will still keep it on my shelf. As I do with my first Stormcasts that will be in the cut.

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58 minutes ago, Chikout said:

I'm not exactly delighted by this but you sound like you want the community to be angry. One of the reasons I like be the tga community so much is that we can discuss things without losing our minds all the time. 

I'm not taking from you the right to be delighted by this GW move if you want. Leave mine to dislike it. We can discuss it in a polite manner.

It sounds like a pretty bad joke to cut down almost 2 whole editions of Stormcast miniatures. I don't know how to justify that. These are pretty good looking miniatures. Relatively young miniatures. In my opinion GW should print expiration date on their products so that people can value if they are worth the money. Sorry, I don't buy this "don't worry, it moves to legends or TOW". People bought those minis to specifically play AoS, not other systems or sub-systems.

Where do I feel this cut is justified? If any I feel like Bonesplitterz. Outside of that UW warband they didn't get a single mini for AoS. They always felt to stand apart. But still I would understand people who feel sorry about it.

Beasts of Chaos are something different since they received new hero and some Endless Spells which suggested further support. Imagine how a person who bought BoC this year feels right now. They received start collecting, battle forces, minis, at least two battletomes and now they are gone. I have a friend who collects BoC and we played a couple of times. Wonder what is he going to say. I already know how my friend with Sacrosanct chamber feels like. Spoiler alert - Not good.

Thing with WarCry warbands is more difficult. They can still be used in a game they originated from but they were at some point advertised as a product you may use in AoS. I bought two WarCry warbands ONLY to use them in AoS. This time they are not on that list but from now on I think I won't buy any WarCry warbands to use in AoS. Too much of a risk.

In my opinion GW should really work on its communications with customers about what lifespan to expect from their products. There were never clear signals that dozens of Stormcasts or Beasts of Chaos are to be used temporarly.

Update:

My friend who plays BoC just said he quits AoS. Whether or not he changes his mind time will tell.

Update 2:

My Sacrosanct friend leaves AoS as well.

Good job GW!

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If that GW move doesn't make this community angry nothing will.

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34 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

Ok, now we will work hard until you get a Stormcast army.

First minis I've ever bought and painted are Stormcasts from the very first starter that was SCE vs. Khorne Bloodbound. Still have them on my shelf.

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To be honest you convinced me about the role Stormcasts play. I still don't like it but will treat it as necessary evil. If that helps AoS as a whole let them show some more golden boys. 

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23 minutes ago, Snarff said:

That's a short-sighted way to look at it though. While not to the extent of Space Marines in 40K, SCE are the face of AoS and still considered as THE entry point for new people (and thus new paying customers). It's clear that SCE are still the most popular army and Dominion was by their own words the best fantasy launch they have ever had, so it's not a stretch to see that SCE are driving at least part of the starter set sales. The more successful AoS is, the more risks it can take. And we're seeing how amazingly it's doing with Warcry now heavily expanded in scope from what it was originally, BIG releases for AoS armies (Seraphon, StD, CoS, FEC, StD (again, lol) and now Skaven). Yes, SCE is also getting model updates, but those are clearly paying for themselves.

Would I like to see armies like Fyreslayers get their expansions too? Of course, they're by far my favourite army. But anyone can see that an entire edition of focusing only on niche armies and new armies will not nearly bring in as much revenue as also updating popular armies at the same time.

I see your point. I still think there should be more than one poster boy but I'm not the one pulling the strings.

Do we actually have some checked data on how SCE are really popular? That info would still be corrupted by how hard GW pushes them but I'm just curious. 

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9 hours ago, Vaellas said:

 

Honestly I prefer the idea of existing models getting updated this time over all new units when other armies need more units instead. It means less time dedicated to making new scrolls for Stormcast when the game design can go to the other units in armies instead so higher chance of new stuff for them sooner.

Honestly, I suspect that writing rules and story for minis stands for less than 5% of the time needed to make the sculpts done, no matter it is brand new mini or a refresh. Each time ANY ARMY receives a new mini it means others at the same time will not. No new squad for Fyreslayers. Same old Moonclan Stabbas. No Malerion, Kurnothi, Chaos Dwarfs or Silent Ones this time. Short blanket dilemma.

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Since a lot people think that Stormcasts are a must in the starter... Why not make another edition box Stormcast Eternals vs. Stormcast Eternals?

Helmets vs. Heads, old Liberators vs. new Liberators. Countless possibilities.

Double income, Great success.

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3 minutes ago, Baron I_oyd said:

Vote Skaven or I will find you and burn your armies, so that Dark Elf fan doesnt feel alone anymore

Dark Elf fan approved 

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Definitely don't like the shift to fewer Command Points. They give a lot of flavor to hero models and justify their presence on the battlefield. It might however be okay if this means that some current CA turn to passive aura skills.

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1 hour ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

And lastly, if all of the factions above were getting more attention than SCE, you'll be there instead criticising GW for how a "huge waste of resources" and that now Y or Z other faction begs for a refresh... Because I always feel like no matter what AoS release happens you'll still find a way to be negative about it.

You got it wrong.

It's not that I want any faction to be favoured over SCE. I want SCE NOT to be favoured over few factions combined.

If we had like 5 factions (for the simplicity of example) it should always be like: "we release A in January, B in March, then C in May, D in July and E in September."

Instead we have: "Let's release a huge box of A vs. B in January. Then in March we can support A with some additional models. We send C in June and 1 hero on foot for D in October. What about E? I say f* E. It can wait until '26. Instead we can have this A WarCry band in December. Has the A 5th Underworlds warband left the factory yet"

I collect few armies at the moment so to be honest I don't really feel that abandoned (none of which are SCE) but I still feel sorry for these E guys, which are quite a few. Pretty tired of yet another clone SCE models. If at least thay had GSG variety but they don't. Instead we get resculpts of 9 year old models when some factions still run 15 yo models (or older). 

Oh and I'm not being negative most of the time, especially for AoS. Many great models and factions in recent years. I'm just completing painting my 6th 2000 point AoS army so that tells a lot about my attitude for AoS.

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Can't wait for Skaven side. I don't expect much from SCE after today's reveal.

I'd say that most of AoS factions would score top 3 popularity of they had SCE level of support. Not all of them as some target specific taste, but must of them for sure.

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22 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

Yeah, because more people play SCE than Beasts, Ogres, DE, Spiderfang and Bonesplitterz combined. Simple as.

If these factions had sce level of support these numbers would be much different. If Dark Elves/GG/Lumineth/KO were in every edition starter box they would be in top 3 popular armies as well.