Aeryenn

You have a point on battletomes to reach high numbers and the more battletomes, the more time it takes to update them all when new edition comes. But I get the impression that with each Mix Battletome some factions inside that book are neglected. With each additional faction in a book there's greater chance for corner cutting both in terms of rules, content and possible miniature updates. Malerion was summoned few times in this discussion. Since I am a great fan of Dark Elves I think and would like Malerion to receive his own miniatures and book rather than be an addition to Morathi. Yet If I had to choose whether I want 5 new Dark Elves miniatures combined with DoK or no minis at all, I prefer the former. It's hard to find balance. In my opinion current state with battletomes is good. Armies feel up to date most of the time. I still think that the future of rules is to bring them online. Maybe in a form of subscription. You pay once a year and have access to all the rules for each faction and unit. This would also make it easier for GW to update rules and points more often.

Exactly. It's already a shame that several factions still mostly consist of old fantasy models that don't quite well meet today's AoS standards. We all know which factions, no need to point them out, maybe except for one - Skaven. I really don't understand why did GW neglect so much one of their most iconic factions, which is like a Warhammer trademark. They need Seraphon and CoS treatment ASAP. As for the show. Last time when GW introduced Harbringers they mentioned more than once that some factions are getting updates and so did the rumors here on tga. None of that really happened at least during yesterday's show. CoS look better than I expected. They are the underdogs of AoS, yet don't seem boring or too plain. AoSification done well. The manticore is ok. Just ok. I'm not all that crazy as most people seem to be about her. Good centerpiece though. Clan Pestilence is ok as a warband but I wouldn't really purse this subject any more. Maggotkin of Nurgle cover the same theme and do it better in my opinion. Skaven should develop around Skryre being the only high tech faction apart from Kharadron Overlords. Or Moulder as this seem something interesting enough. I wouldn't go into horde direction though, even if it IS a Skaven thing. There are more than enough horde factions in the game right now. Kruleboyz warband is cool, don't like the apes though and I don't understand why GW pushes them again. The Old World once again is a joke. A single mini. Resin in fact. I don't get why would anyone in 2023 choose TOW over AoS. I'm talking new wargaming players. How are they going to advertise it? "Come buy our 20y old sculpts which sales were discontinued for more than a decade! We have ONE new mini for you!". Everything TOW does, CoS seem to do better. Don't care about 30k stuff. This new scale game is aimed for a different audience in my opinion. More board game players rather than wargaming. The latter expect higher quality of the minis.

Spiderfang

I thought the same but this warband changed my mind. Pretty cool. I would expand on shaman/vodoo theme.

Personally I really dislike CoS and Ogors by design but I wish CoS and Ogor players to receive many shiny new minis the sooner the better. That keeps whole community happy and equal.

The thing you say about Ironjawz can also be said about every other army with perhaps a few exceptions. I'd rather AoS had like 3 poster factions. It's a bit boring when you already know Stormcasts are in the 4th edition starter. And we know they are. Same as every 40k starter. I would really be more willing to buy Leviathan if there was ANY OTHER faction in the box but SM. Probably it will be same for 4e AoS. I know there are more people who think the same way. But if that's really the price for keeping this hobby running, then be it.

We can't be sure but you might be right.

Fair point. If you put it that way it doesn't seem that bad. I heard a rumour that SM Rhino outsold all Wood Elves. It's becoming an urban legend I suppose.

If somebody finds that offensive I think forums are places to be avoided. That's what I think about that person's opinion. Not him/her as a person. It is selfish to favor one faction to that degree knowing that there are people who didn't receive a single model for years.

And my point stands as this decision is bad in many ways. 1. Leaves Fyreslayer, Ironjawz, DoK etc. players poorly supported. Rules aren't everything they need. 2. Discourage potential new players to buy those unsupported armies 3. It might lead the setting to be boring (look at 40k's dozens of space marine same looking models). Yes, AoS is not in a position of 40k and I really hope it stays that way. The more people say they want new Stormcast models the closer we get to 40k Space Marine problem.

Selfish

Of course it does. It's either another Stormcast chamber or 2nd wave for an army with 15-18 models. People who currently design another 10 SC miniatures could have been working on much needed new units for Fyreslayers, DoK or Ironjawz. Every SC miniature that is being printed takes place of new Grave Guard, Gutter Runners or Savage Orruks that are highly expected from the community for years. GW doesn't have separate workers, writers and printers just for GW. Everything is shared. Each time we see another SC mini announced on Warhammer Community site, we could have enjoyed a new ogor, Kurnothi or Dark Aelf mini instead. There is really no need for SC to get another wave every 2 or 3 years. New starter set could introduce Cities of Sigmar or Lumineth instead. And it does affect some people. I have two friends who lost interest in the hobby because of lack of support. Fyreslayer and Ironjawz players. I also never started Fyreslayer army because I was being afraid that they will never be further developed although I liked their design. Also, best regards to @LordAlpharius who is confused with my posts for all eternity! Never seen a different reaction from you. How confusing.

Actually it does. Resources are limited. It's either another wave of Stormcasts or any other army. SC have 4x more minis than some armies. Do we really want to make it 5x?

That's why I still think AoS is better than 40k. It's good to tell about our concerns. GW is listening. The more often we repeat that we don't want 40k SM situation in AoS the more likely we won't. Although you would like to see some SC remakes won't you agree that there are several other armies (and their fans) that deserve minis much more than another SC wave?

Turning Stormcasts into AoS Space Marines would be the biggest disappointment. 40k is so boring when they spam dozens of same looking models just with different names. Hope AoS will be better than that. Look at GW store. 68 Stormcast related products. That's the same as DoK, Fyreslayers, Idoneth Deepkin and Kharadron Overlords combined. It's just silly.

No. More. Stormcasts. Not until FEC, Ironjawz, Bonesplitterz, Ogors, Spiderfang, DOK, Idoneth and several others get their 2nd waves. Not to mention factions like Kurnothi or Shadow Aelves get their premiere...

As for Skavens I would like to see more Skryre models. They have the most recent models so why? Exactly that's why. They only need like 2 units and 2 heroes to be a stand alone faction. Other clans on the other hand need like a total remake. The worst case scenario is getting like 1 random unit for every clan which would satisfy nobody and would change very little. Also Skryre is the most original of all Skaven being the only high tech faction despite Kharadron Overlords. Pestilence is too similar to Nurgle. Eshin is hard to be a separate force. Moulder... well maybe. But another horde army is not really needed.

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Tyrion seems to be too big of a character for Harbringers. So far only small generic heroes were shown. I'd rather expect Tyrion to be 500 points worth character, maybe released with another, river wave of Lumineth.

And how is hope represented in minis? It isn't. You refer to the theme desrcibed in the lore. When you look at the minis themselves however you just see a bunch of unrelated forces. Dwarfs with canons and helicopters, followed by some corsair dark elves with a war hydra and with a pinch of wood elves on deers. I can hardly think of more mismatching batch. I guess some space orkz in CoS wouldn't make much difference in terms of cohesiveness. The lore might be great as many people review it, yet this hobby is 95% about minis and when I say "theme", I mean style of minis. You look at Kharadron Overlords and you know straight away it's a techy faction. Idoneth Deepkin? Elves with sea creatures. Sylvaneth? Forces of nature. Maggotkin of Nurgle? Daemons and disease. I look at 5 random CoS models and I can't tell what keeps them together. A friendly reminder: what today is CoS were actually several distinct armies 8 years ago. Bringing them under one banner was in order to not leaving people o who used to collect these armies without any support . That's one of the things that changed between WFB and AoS. Strong theme.

I was tempted a few times to buy one, yet I consider them to be too cliche. I would like to see something along the lines of The Glottkin, Glutos Orscollion and Katakros. A mortal champion surrounded by his entourage.

Unpopular opinion Regarding Cities of Sigmar and non-human miniatures, I would like GW to slowly retire them in AoS and move them to The Old World. They better fit that style and stand out from AoS-borne factions like Fyreslayer, Kharadron Overlords, Sylvaneth or DoK. All of AoS faction are build around a strong theme and CoS currently have none. I would like Stormcasts to remain the super humans of AoS and for the cities I see the role of zealots/crusaders/inquisition to make them unique.

Currently, AoS rules seem so much better to me than what 40k had to offer. Only getting rid of double turn would make this game better. I don't want anything more.

To be honest I feel Dark Elves even when looking at many mortal Slaneesh models. Seekers, Painbringers, Twinsouls...

- Army Faction: Maggotkin of Nurgle - Subfaction: Blessed Sons LEADERS Lord of Plagues (140) Harbinger of Decay (140) Bloab Rotspawned (320) Orghotts Daemonspew (320) BATTLELINE Putrid Blightkings (250) Putrid Blightkings (250) Plaguebearers (150) Rotmire Creed (130) OTHER Pusgoyle Blightlords (250) TOTAL POINTS: 1950/2000 Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App Or instead of Maggot lords I could introduce The Glottkin. I'm new to Nurgle. What do you think about the list?