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I think The Geminis might be a great asset to generate DP turn 1. Rund it through your entire army. It has a move of 8" and only does a single MW on a 2+. The The downside being that you can't use auto rum or +1 to hit in the shooting face or combat phase. I'm looking at armies with 10+ units making 12+ DP turn 1 a rather sure thing with some added shooting. Even the lowly blissbarbs most likely won't run to a single mw. Any input?

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How do we feel about the drop count? A three drop with Battle Regiment and two units in Bountyhunter or GV seems viable as most armies will probably be that or more.

I love the big chariots as summons, both the hero and the non-hero version.

Im not so sure on the 10 painbringers in bountyhunter. You wont be able to fight with all of then at the same time. And only having one hero to summon from makes the list rather easy to nuter. The thing I can't wrapped my head around is if slickblades are worth it, especially outside of bounty hunters.

Yes, or from either book or universal.

I think the new GV battalion suits msu blissbarbs fairly well. They are fast, 11 models, attack from range and they die anyways if anything looks at them. Wont really be affected by the +1 dmg.

The Masque might go up in stock with a horde meta. That 6" pile to tag units is lovely.

How do you buff them? The Lord of Pain isn't able to keep up with them and neither is the Shardspeaker. Good relievers of +1 to hit though.

What's the general opinion on Slickblades? I've not had the chance of fielding them. Are they worth their points? It seems like a good unit to go snipe backyard objective holders. And has anyone found a good way of dealing with double Maw-crushas? I went 3-2 on a tournament a month ago and that was the only game I felt that I had no real answer to my opponents that. Other than Gotrek, Glutos seems to be a good answer to any and all threats.

Of course you can! But don't think you can play them like any other army. It's more about not fighting/ blocking the enemy than actually making the opponent removing models. Only way to do that is probably through Archaon, and that play style was not for me.

I played a 2 day tournament with 20+ ppl and came third a few weeks ago. STD ended up in 2nd place as well, with Tzeentch (changehost) taking first place. I ran Undivided with 0 marauders, 15 warriors, 3x5 knights and 5 marauders horsemen in a ruinbringer and some other stuff in ravagers. I don't think you can play STD like a conventional army e.g. you take a hammer that deletes whatever is in front of it and then start trading units with the opponent. Instead it is about control and not letting the opponent play his game. Since I like the challenge of not having a top tier army and prefer having a few tricks up my sleeve rather than a straight forward combat army STD has proven to be perfect for me. The reason I went for Undivided is the auto immune to battle shock which makes units invaluable roadblocks. It also frees up a few CP which are extremely valuable in STD. Furthermore, the combination of the generals 6++ with the warshrine 6++ and rr saves from 2 x orracular visions and 10+ warriors makes the army incredibly tough. However, for future tournaments I want to try to run half Khorne, half Undivided so I get the best of both worlds. This forces me to bring heroes of both marks and gives me a choice of being more offensive or defensive in ravagers. Regarding the low dmg from our units I agree, it is too low to whipe any unit off of the table with certainty. But 5 fully buffed knights does enough dmg to cripple most units so they do not pose as much of a threat any more. As for the block of 40 mortek guard, don't charge them head on. Tag them with one model and render them useless. Maybe STD have to be played like onions /Shrek (not Ogors), with several layers that you let the opponent peel off one by one? Lastly, for me it is much more rewarding to end up in 3rd place with a 2nd tier army such as STD than winning the second largest tournament here in Sweden as I did with Skaventide last spring. It was just not fun to steamroll whatever unit was in front of my monks.

Just giving knights the ability to choose to use use lances or ensorcelled weapons would help a lot. Aren't the new aelvs to do that? After all the knights in the new SC are equipped with both.

Has anyone used Grimghasts in 10s with any success?

What is the correct cost of the Briar Queen and her thorns? 180 in ghb19 or 150 as in the app and homepage?

Could someone please explain how line of sight and flying works? Are you always visible even when you are behind los-blocking terrain?

As in you think it is going to be limited to be in what is in the box?

What do people think about the Light Skyhooks? Are Kharadrons getting the Storm Fiends treatment and only being allowed whats in the box?

You also dont have to pick all of the big guys as your general. Go for an enrapturess or a epitome as one of them and you are getting that second keeper to stick with the general one.

Nope, both.

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Regarding your list above and specifically the WLV. If it is a competitive environment I would never leave home without it. If it's a non competitive environment I would not bring it. In my all my games it has been the single most over powered thing in the army. In my last game (new Khorne) it single handedly neutered his entire army. And yes, he had Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster and the "auto unbind on a 8"-host. But he also (as most Khorne players will because of how their buffs work) centred most of his heroes and a few good units in one place. An ideal situation for the WLV. Especially since unbind range is 30" and the reach of the spell it's way more. The Honest Wargamer rightfully dubbed it Warp Lightning Boretex because if cast in turn one at the right spot it can decide the entire game right there. In my case combined with a Jezzail shot he took 700 points off of the table.

Get a congregation of filth to lie number of drops and get another item. You only have one good character for the "hero" scenarios. Otherwise it looks nice! I find myself auto including the warpstorm spell just because it limits my opponent so much

Never been so sad to receive an extra wound on an already good unit before

Is the furnace 12 or 13 wounds in the new book? Facehammer podcast say 13 twice but app says 12. Really important for the skitter leap!